| Posted by: dixieflatline at November 21, 2006, 4:51 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | itsallaboutthemusic wrote: i have RB+bonus, but i have no idea how it all works. i deposited for a $500 bonus my first deposit, as i wanted it to last a long time, and im scared of getting "flagged". after clearing that, i had a +$150 MGR, though i did about 150+ points of cover play, which i now think is excessive. im really trying to figure out how i can continue to deposit while at the same time winning. those are pretty much mutually exclusive. of course, you can withdraw and then re-deposit, but then THAT gets you in trouble. its a pretty ridiculous bonus system, i think.
I don't know if this has been posted anywhere else, so if it has just ignore, but I think that having a very negative MGR is one of the things that flags you for bonus abuse. If you have a very negative MGR and are withdrawaling/redepositing actively you are sunk.
And on that topic, Gonzo aren't you guys getting next to nothing on your bodog signups? I mean, the whores here probably mostl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at November 21, 2006, 10:50 am | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | lyckodan wrote: Can anyone tell me where Bodog and Absolute are located, i.e. where is their company registered? It matters for people in the European union if you want to stay legal, as wins from poker sites within the union (such as Partypoker) are not taxed, whereas wins from poker sites outside the union (such as pokerstars) could be taxed
So where is Bodog and Absolute?
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| Posted by: lyckodan at November 21, 2006, 12:24 am | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | Can anyone tell me where Bodog and Absolute are located, i.e. where is their company registered? It matters for people in the European union if you want to stay legal, as wins from poker sites within the union (such as Partypoker) are not taxed, whereas wins from poker sites outside the union (such as pokerstars) could be taxed
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| Posted by: pokahpro at November 20, 2006, 5:13 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | itsallaboutthemusic wrote: im really trying to figure out how i can continue to deposit while at the same time winning. those are pretty much mutually exclusive. of course, you can withdraw and then re-deposit, but then THAT gets you in trouble. its a pretty ridiculous bonus system, i think.
Some ideas... (but I don't do Bodog at this time)
1. If your bankroll can take it, just deposit again.
2. Withdraw, wait a week or two, then redeposit.
I would guess following these guidelines you would be ok. Others may have better ideas. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: itsallaboutthemusic at November 20, 2006, 1:10 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | | i have RB+bonus, but i have no idea how it all works. i deposited for a $500 bonus my first deposit, as i wanted it to last a long time, and im scared of getting "flagged". after clearing that, i had a +$150 MGR, though i did about 150+ points of cover play, which i now think is excessive. im really trying to figure out how i can continue to deposit while at the same time winning. those are pretty much mutually exclusive. of course, you can withdraw and then re-deposit, but then THAT gets you in trouble. its a pretty ridiculous bonus system, i think. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AC_Jeff at November 20, 2006, 12:07 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | Concern for me is that all the 2-4 tables during the day are Full Ring. I'd rather play shorthanded at 2-4/3-6
Since its contrib rake, I'm standing at negative MGR.
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| Posted by: Hazel1111 at November 19, 2006, 1:27 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | | I actually play (somewhat) looser starting requirements at bodog since it's contributed, so my VPIP is more like 24%. At 2/4 (FRL) it seems like rakeback might actually be a BAD idea in addition to bonus? If so, I'm just trying to figure out how high I'd have to play to get the bonus and maybe a little rb on top rather than negative MGR. I'm sure there must be others on this site doing rb + the bonus, so just hoping someone can chime in to let me know what stakes I should be aiming for for now. (Eventually I'll just keep moving up as much as I can, but for now, just getting started again basically, my bankroll really doesn't want much more than 2/4 or 3/6.) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Doc$ holiday at November 19, 2006, 12:53 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | 2/4 shoud be very close to the mark. If Bodog dont rake until pot=$20. If they rake before that i would of thought 3/6 would get u close to 100% rakeback.
If yor getting a negatitive rakeback it's kind of a good thing as it means the bonus is paying u more than u pay in rake. Which means u could actually be worse than a breakeven player and profit.
Of course iv been in the boat where -RB at one site has been deducted from +Rb at other sites by my rakeback site. Thats not good.
Bodog being contributed and your 'farming' comment. Id say your vpip of 5-8% has something to do with your -MGR.
Short play you should def be in the black with your rake.
Maybe the Hotdogizzle add transaction fees, tourny overlays and giftshop to your MGR like another site does.
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| Posted by: Hazel1111 at November 19, 2006, 11:56 am | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | | Oh, now I'm confused. I just did my first Bodog session with rakeback and bonus, playing 2/4 (and trying a first small deposit with the plan of adding more as I go) and like another poster above I ended up with negative mgr. For lower stakes do you need to cancel rakeback or something? Normally I would be happy just farming 2/4 and 3/6 here but generating negative rake seems like an issue. At some point up the stakes ladder I would think that rakeback+bonus on that site would become positive, anyone with experience know what stakes I would need to play there to get bonus and generate some positive mgr as well? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: itsallaboutthemusic at November 18, 2006, 5:50 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | wow. BODOG. i just received my requested cashout (the largest one i have ever requested at any site $7000+) within FIVE HOURS. that is ridiculous (in a good way)!! apparently other sites CAN get you your NETELLER withdrawl much sooner than they want you to think they can...
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| Posted by: RobDoral at November 16, 2006, 7:09 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | JoobJoobAchoo wrote: I've often wondered about negative MGR. They don't take that outta your account, do they?
No they don't but some affiliates will hold your previous months negative MGR against you, so you have to "work off" a certain amount to get back into positive territory.
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| Posted by: RobDoral at November 16, 2006, 7:07 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | AC_Jeff wrote: I just got my first BoDog rakeback number.
I cleared a $70 deposit bonus playing mostly 2-4 full ring limit.
Then I stopped playing.
MY MGR for that amount of playing time was -25
So if ur looking to clear bonuses at BoDog playing low limit forget about the Rakeback at BODOG.
Thanks for sharing that. I had been getting kind of impatient with someone who said they might be able to switch me to a rakeback account on Bodog but it doesn't sound like it's going to matter much for me if at all (and I play mostly FR LHE 2/4 and 3/6 myself).
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| Posted by: JoobJoobAchoo at November 16, 2006, 3:18 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | AC_Jeff wrote: I just got my first BoDog rakeback number.
I cleared a $70 deposit bonus playing mostly 2-4 full ring limit.
Then I stopped playing.
MY MGR for that amount of playing time was -25
So if ur looking to clear bonuses at BoDog playing low limit forget about the Rakeback at BODOG.
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| Posted by: AC_Jeff at November 16, 2006, 2:13 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | I just got my first BoDog rakeback number.
I cleared a $70 deposit bonus playing mostly 2-4 full ring limit.
Then I stopped playing.
MY MGR for that amount of playing time was -25
So if ur looking to clear bonuses at BoDog playing low limit forget about the Rakeback at BODOG.
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| Posted by: AC_Jeff at November 15, 2006, 8:34 am | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | OK This thread has officially gone to S--t.
I ca nsay I treid BoDog and clear a $90 bonus easily6 and with profit above the bonus. Now I'm waiting to see if there is any MGR left for rakeback.
I am unhappy that BoDog doesnt have any 6 handed 2-4 limit.
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| Posted by: bedofnails at November 14, 2006, 11:29 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | TobiasFunke wrote: Calling it The Dog is old school. I just call it The Dizzle now.
Actaully, since you posted that; it's now just.
B Dizz.
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| Posted by: Gonzo787 at November 14, 2006, 2:02 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | AC_Jeff wrote:
The DOG has weaker players and a higher clearance rate
Is that what us cool people are calling it these days? I have to know, what with me being cool and all. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: itsallaboutthemusic at November 14, 2006, 12:32 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | this is a thread with many answers imo. both of their software is below average. BODOG players are FAAAAR worse. even tho DOG bonuses are good, AP bonuses (with RB) are even better. table selection on AP is terrible (that is its worst aspect). the 3 table max on DOG is terrible (ITS worst aspect by far). DOG forces you to sit middle bottom, which i hate.
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| Posted by: AC_Jeff at November 14, 2006, 8:34 am | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | SlapDash wrote: At Bodog, will the bonus get cancelled if you withdraw a chunk of your deposit prior to clearing?
was that hard to look up?
It does bring up another point. The 10% reloads at BoDog means you need a lot of money available to make alot of bonus money there.
You also can't just move money in and out each day without getting HEAT
from them. Absolute will let you do whatever you want to build bonuses and they always offer at least 20%.
Absolute releases incrementally by $10 BoDog in a lump sum.
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| Posted by: SlapDash at November 14, 2006, 4:08 am | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | At Bodog, will the bonus get cancelled if you withdraw a chunk of your deposit prior to clearing?
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| Posted by: Bluffy-Girl at November 14, 2006, 2:22 am | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | I haven't tried Bodog yet, but I just completed about a week at Absolute. The "bugginess" of their software (mentioned in the BW review) just cost me about $50.
I had the nut nut in O8 when the software froze up during our raising war on the river. My hand was folded. The supposed all-in protection did not kick in because, "a software freeze/lag is different from a disconnect", or so I was informed. I suppose a "freeze" explains why both full tables I was playing on, were empty of players 10 minutes later, - not.
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| Posted by: HeelHo at November 13, 2006, 9:00 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | I can only take absolute in two week doses. but if we lsoe neteller, i suspect online poker will end up a lot liek absolute poker is.[/code]
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| Posted by: RobDoral at November 13, 2006, 8:47 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | My biggest concern is always game quality and you can't beat Bodog's looseness IMO (at least as compared to AP, though it's been a while since I've played on AP and not since the ban). But I still don't bother with PT though I bought it
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| Posted by: AC_Jeff at November 13, 2006, 1:00 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | So ur both as confused as me? Add to the equation that BoDog is contributory for points and rakeback and I'm stumped as to which one is better for a 2-4 limit player like myself.
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| Posted by: JoobJoobAchoo at November 13, 2006, 12:38 pm | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | | I really hate how tight the players are at Absolute (at 1/2, 2/4 SH limit). However, I am a stickler for PT support, which Bodog doesn't offer. Also, RB+bonus clears faster in total at Absolute than Bodog. I'm not really sure if the weaker competition at Bodog makes up for the slight reduction in hourly RB+bonus and lack of PT support, but I'm definitely gonna try to learn how to play well without PT because Bodog's players are so much better. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: PantyWaster at November 13, 2006, 11:02 am | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | | I'm sure the type and limit of game you play will influence your clearance rate. But in general, does the faster clearance at Bodog make up for the lost rakeback? At AP I rakeback about 80% of my bonus. 1000 raked hands = $100 bonus + $80 RB. So Bodog would have to clear at least 50% faster (along with the softer games) to get me to move. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AC_Jeff at November 13, 2006, 10:44 am | | Topic: Discussion: BoDog vs Absolute Forum: Bonus Whores | My observations:
The DOG has weaker players and a higher clearance rate
Both have bottomless reloads(for my purposes). Both have rakeback but Absolute doesn't take bonus out of the MGR
Anyone have any thoughts on which site is the better overall value? TY
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