| Posted by: respira at May 18, 2006, 8:49 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
I would tighten up my play and be ery ery slective in the starting hands I play...I can't really comment on the hands you did play becuase I don't know what position you were in when you played them ( ie: early , middle or late)
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| Posted by: AceZWylD at May 18, 2006, 8:05 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
That would be a matter of perspective. IMO K9 is still a suited connector because I can hit a flush or straight with it. I wouldn't bet more than the BB with it preflop, but this hand still has a lot of potential with a lot of outs to make your hand.
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| Posted by: Coryan at May 18, 2006, 8:02 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by AceZWylD
Aside from that, I won't play a face card with a numbered card unless it is a suited connector (K9 suited, etc.).
Just so there is no confusion...connectors are two cards in numerical sequence with no gaps. So K9s is not a suited connector. KQs, 98s, 54s...ect. are all suited connectors. This makes a huge difference with chosing starting hands.
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| Posted by: AceZWylD at May 16, 2006, 12:23 am | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by fassted2
Well, here is a small sample of what has been happenning to me. This is today on Pacific Poker 10 or 20 dollar 5 man sit and goes.
1.A10...raise 3 x's BB...called by K4...flop comes A 8 4...he goes all in...I call...4 on turn
2. 88 on BB...short stack moves all in w 94...costs me 120...he hits 9
3. A8 s AK..1 on 1...he makes a straight on river
4. A4 s 62...1 on 1...he calls small raise...flop comes A96 he pushes all in and catches 6 on turn.
5. A9 s AJ limper...flop comes A96...I bet...he goes all in...I call...he hits river Jack
6. A6 to short stack 9/10...Im on BB...short stack moves...costs me 80 to call..flop comes A72...then 10...then 8
7. Im short stacked...Plunge with A5...get called by 72...he makes 2 pair
8. Im short stacked again...push with J9...called with 8/10...flop comes J 8 10
On top of that, I was in 7 coin flip situations....I won 1
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| Posted by: Styrofoam at May 15, 2006, 11:17 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
yeah, you're playing Arag too often... I often fold A9 and lower from any position, limp with A-10/AJ from EP-MP and raise in an unraised pot from CO/Button, and Raise MP with AJ. AQ/AK raise from any position.
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| Posted by: Alon Ipser at May 15, 2006, 10:56 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by fassted2
Well, here is a small sample of what has been happenning to me. This is today on Pacific Poker 10 or 20 dollar 5 man sit and goes.
1.A10...raise 3 x's BB...called by K4...flop comes A 8 4...he goes all in...I call...4 on turn
2. 88 on BB...short stack moves all in w 94...costs me 120...he hits 9
3. A8 s AK..1 on 1...he makes a straight on river
4. A4 s 62...1 on 1...he calls small raise...flop comes A96 he pushes all in and catches 6 on turn.
5. A9 s AJ limper...flop comes A96...I bet...he goes all in...I call...he hits river Jack
6. A6 to short stack 9/10...Im on BB...short stack moves...costs me 80 to call..flop comes A72...then 10...then 8
7. Im short stacked...Plunge with A5...get called by 72...he makes 2 pair
8. Im short stacked again...push with J9...called with 8/10...flop comes J 8 10
On top of that, I was in 7 coin flip situations....I won 1
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| Posted by: gord962 at May 15, 2006, 9:18 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Simply take a break for a week or two, read a good poker book to confirm your strategies and comback refreshed and confident. If you aren't confident at the table, you will lose, no matter the cards dealt.
Next, don't call all of these all-ins. Fold unless you have a set, tighten up and next time they go all-in, you will probably beat the loose aggressive player. I realize you have the odds post flop, but you have seen 1st hand that odds don't gaurentee wins.
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| Posted by: fassted2 at May 15, 2006, 8:31 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Well, here is a small sample of what has been happenning to me. This is today on Pacific Poker 10 or 20 dollar 5 man sit and goes.
1.A10...raise 3 x's BB...called by K4...flop comes A 8 4...he goes all in...I call...4 on turn
2. 88 on BB...short stack moves all in w 94...costs me 120...he hits 9
3. A8 s AK..1 on 1...he makes a straight on river
4. A4 s 62...1 on 1...he calls small raise...flop comes A96 he pushes all in and catches 6 on turn.
5. A9 s AJ limper...flop comes A96...I bet...he goes all in...I call...he hits river Jack
6. A6 to short stack 9/10...Im on BB...short stack moves...costs me 80 to call..flop comes A72...then 10...then 8
7. Im short stacked...Plunge with A5...get called by 72...he makes 2 pair
8. Im short stacked again...push with J9...called with 8/10...flop comes J 8 10
On top of that, I was in 7 coin flip situations....I won 1
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| Posted by: Effexor at May 15, 2006, 7:16 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Here's my theory. Play the odds.
In the long run you will come out ahead. Lately I've been trying to work on my tourny game by playing in freerolls (and failing horribly I might add) and yesterday I watched a guy win 8 multi way all ins in a row. I got dealt KK and called his all-in (heads up), he had A-8 unsuited and the table ended up 2,3,4,5,J. Result: me out and him 9 straight all in wins. If I had to do it again, I'd play it the same way though.
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| Posted by: fassted2 at May 15, 2006, 6:09 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Thank you all so much for your comments and support. In answer to some of your replies...
Most of my all in hands occur in Sit and Goes. They normally occur at a one on one level and more often than not they occur after a flop when I have a considerable lead..especially against a super aggressive "all in" type player. For example...I have a sunstantial lead going into 1 on 1....he raises big under the gun with A8...I reraise with AK knowing that he is capable of raising so big with such a hand...he goes all in...I have odds...I call...he catches an 8 or a river straight. Same scenario....I limp with A5....flop comes A96...I slow play knowing if he has bottom pair he's gonna push...He does...and he pushes...I call...he has 62 and catches another 6 on the turn. These are the things that are happenning at an excrutiatingly alarming level.
Secondly, I do not have the money to play anything but the smaller levels. Last year and the year before I did extremely well playing 1/2 no l... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: lightning36 at May 15, 2006, 1:15 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
You did not indicate what level of poker you are playing. Micro tables sometimes have people make ridiculously large bets - foolish ones. If you are playing at a money level that attracts lots of fish and speculators, you are sure to get beat with garbage more frequestly than you would think.
I once ran into such a bad streak at one spot (one that had generated hundreds of dollars for me) that I quit playing it almost entirely. Find another poker room if your luck is bad at one or two.
Good luck, and hang in there.
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| Posted by: starfall at May 15, 2006, 12:18 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
The other thing to do if you're playing online is to use something like PokerTracker to analyse your hand histories... that way you'll have more opportunity to spot avoidable losses.
If in a tournament you only play premium hands, and always push all-in with them, then you'll generally be a short-stack compared to the looser, more aggressive players who have stolen a lot of pots and/or got lucky. When you end up against them, it will be your tournament on the line, and while you may win some, in the end the odds are that eventually you'll lose one of those hands no matter how far ahead you were, and then you're out. There's nothing unusual or unlucky about that.
In a cash game, it's rather different, as you can just rebuy and you want to see those great odds when you're playing. Long runs of bad luck happen, though, and the main antidote to it is to use a stats package to make sure your play isn't bad, just unlucky.
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| Posted by: beardyian at May 15, 2006, 12:06 pm | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Whenever i feel i am being drawn out on too often just remember - the luck is not with you at the moment but it will return.
Then to contradict that line - luck does not exist, it is not an actual 'thing' that moves from person to person so in that case you should not let the opponent have the chance to 'suck-out'.
Just play simple pure, clear headed poker, all-in should be a last choice decision if you cannot tell what your opponent has. As he could have you beaten before you even decide what to do and so why give him/her even more chips for their pot??.
I had a spell of losing on the river so i tightened up (even more) on my starting hands and this is where Phil Helmuths top 10 hands are ery helpful.
AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ etc and remember - do not chase this can prove expensive and ery frustrating.
IanT
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| Posted by: DukeDrew at May 15, 2006, 11:42 am | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Personally, I'd take a breather for a week or two. I go through spurts where I'm just not playing well and bad beats make it 10x worse. Rather than continue handing my cash to people on PS, I'll back off for a bit. I think I'm getting to that point right now, in fact :-D
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| Posted by: joosebuck at May 15, 2006, 6:31 am | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
the move "all in" should be more delicate than most players play it. leaves you no room to feel out where you are in a hand. i definetly agree.
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| Posted by: VegasGrinder at May 15, 2006, 3:54 am | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Why are you moving allin? against a good player, he is going to lay his hand down on a draw or with a weak kicker, 2nd pair etc. when facing a pot size bet. A bad player is going to call regardless of the size of bet.
The good news is that if you are suffering bad beats, that means you are atleast making your push with good hands and playing good poker.
I recomend slowing down. Make bets that give the other players bad pot odds with out risking your entire stack.
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| Posted by: smd173 at May 15, 2006, 3:14 am | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
Well I can't say that this has been happening to me for over a year, but there is one thing that happens to me alot more than most and that is:
When I have a dominating hand, I lose. AK s. A7, loss. AJ s. QJ on a J84 rainbow flop, lost to a runner runner straight. It's been so prevalent that my signature on another board is "Proving mathematical theorems wrong".
It's so bad at times that when people flip up their cards and they see that I'm leading and say "Oh nice hand", I tell them to wait until all the cards are down.
But it doesn't happen to me 100% of the time. All I can say is, keep making the right move. Yes it sucks to continually be ahead 88-12 when you get your money in and lose, but you are making the right decision. And that's the most important thing.
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| Posted by: fassted2 at May 15, 2006, 2:47 am | | Topic: Someone please help Forum: Card Chat |
I've been playing online poker for 3 years. For the mort part I have experienced the normal ups and downs. In the first two years I have more than likely been profitable. But...things have changed. This is not a bad beat story, this is a I CAN'T WIN anything story. I have lost so much money in the last year it isn't even funny. I am getting smacked ALL THE TIME with two outers, 3 outers, four outers, runner runner gut shots, runner runner flushes...all of these things are happenning when I go all in with the best hand. Then there are the many times when I get dealt Kings or Queens on the short stack and push and get beat by garbage. I rarely if ever make a coin flip. This is happenning in EVERY single solitary game that I have played in in the last 3 months. EVERY ONE. Whether it is cash, sit and go, or multi table. I can't shake it. The bottom line is, am I wasting my time playing this game anymore? I really love it, but I must tell you that I am sick and tired of the things that are happenning to me. ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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