| Posted by: ChuckTs at June 21, 2006, 10:04 pm | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
oh yeah thats another thing...check-raising in LHE is much different than check-raising in NLH.
I'm sure Fredrik could give you some pointers (as he listed above, especially #3) on how check-raising is a aluable tool in LHE.
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| Posted by: F Paulsson at June 21, 2006, 8:44 pm | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
I checkraise the flop to protect weak hands.
I checkraise the turn to extract alue.
I checkraise the river to make myself feel cool.
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| Posted by: Coryan at June 21, 2006, 6:31 pm | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
I don't use the CR a lot, but here are a couple rare cases when I do use it:
1) I flop middle pair and a strong drawing hand (nuts flush draw), I will semi-bluff CR on occasion when against a player that I know is capable of laying down a hand. I would also prefer this to be a more passive player. My CR just added another possible way for me to win this pot. And with a passive player, I might even get a free card on the turn.
2) If I flop a total monster against a ery aggressive player I will usually bet out....if they raise me, I will occasionally just call and CR them on the turn. I do this only with important considerations: a) I know my opponent will bet after my check on the turn, and b) I am not concerned with my opponent outdrawing me.
More often than not, I simply lead out when I have a good hand. I find that players often just assume that I have nothing and raise it anyway. Yesterday I lead out on the flop of Q-9-8 with JT and two players raised/allin and another call... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dingodaddy23 at June 21, 2006, 6:30 pm | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
here is a hand where I used the check-raise successfully
#Game No : 4563685922
***** Hand History for Game 4563685922 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $33 Buy-in Trny:25066236 Level:1 Blinds(20/40) - Wednesday, June 21, 13:12:27 ET 2006
Table Table 110272 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: ctpkr ( $1900 )
Seat 5: jeffereth ( $1640 )
Seat 9: NoNines ( $1330 )
Seat 10: alchemist722 ( $2000 )
Seat 1: dhtotman ( $2200 )
Seat 2: Russia2006 ( $5090 )
Seat 7: MCBizzo ( $1940 )
Seat 8: Robertloses ( $1920 )
Seat 4: Mj23LBJ111 ( $1980 )
Trny:25066236 Level:1
Blinds(20/40)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Mj23LBJ111 [ 7h 7d ]
dhtotman calls [40].
Russia2006 folds.
ctpkr folds.
Mj23LBJ111 calls [40].
jeffereth folds.
MCBizzo raises [100].
Robertloses folds.
NoNines folds.
alchemist722 folds.
dhtotman calls [60].
Mj23LBJ111 calls [60].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JeeDub84 at June 21, 2006, 5:21 pm | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
Shortstacked, a rainbow flop is 3 cards of different suits which have no possible draw to a flush and 2 suited is just like it says. There are 2 cards of the same suit on the board and a possible flush draw.
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at June 21, 2006, 5:02 pm | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
I agree with dingo here.
I'm a strong believer in Doyle Brunson's theory of being the constant aggressor, and leading with strong hands.
Example (much like your situation, shortstacked, but i'll change some bets):
say you raise PF with QQ up to $8 ata 1/2 table. A late position smart tight/aggressive player calls your raise, and both blinds fold. So you can assume he probably has AK, KQ, JJ,TT or something of similar strength.
Flop comes KQ2. Forget about suits, as there will only be a small chance that your opponent will have the draw. (pot is at $19)
option 1: checkraise
you check, opponent bets $12 on what you assume is him hitting his king. You raise to say $36 or $30 - he will immediately reconsider his hand, and if he's a solid enough player, he will fold.
profit = $8 PF, $3 in blinds, and $12 for his bet = $23
option 2: lead out
you bet $12 - if he's a solid player, he won't just cold call with his kings here, he'll raise. Say he raises it ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: shortstacked at June 21, 2006, 4:21 pm | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by juiceeQ
Um...can't be rainbow and 2 to a suit at the same time.
ok tell me about ranbow then tell me with it 2 suited
how that
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| Posted by: juiceeQ at June 21, 2006, 1:11 pm | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by shortstacked
lets say rainbow
and 2 suit
Um...can't be rainbow and 2 to a suit at the same time.
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| Posted by: LadyHoldem at June 21, 2006, 9:47 am | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
You bet out, if you don't bet the flop, I procede with caution, why is your great starting hand no longer good?
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| Posted by: shortstacked at June 21, 2006, 8:21 am | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by combuboom
In your example, is the flop rainbow, 2 to a suit, or 3 to a suit?
lets say rainbow
and 2 suit
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| Posted by: combuboom at June 21, 2006, 8:13 am | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
In your example, is the flop rainbow, 2 to a suit, or 3 to a suit?
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| Posted by: shortstacked at June 21, 2006, 8:05 am | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
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and you are correct, you never want to try to check-raise on a draw heavy board where your opponets might be drawing to beat you, if you are going to try to check-raise you must be pretty sure your opponet is going to bet
$1/$2 online lets see I have QQ and bet out $5 perflop I'm repersenting a strong hand right, lets say 1st postion after the BB
ok the flop come 7KQ
im first to act,ok heres my question do I bet alittle "or will that show strength, or bet like 2.50 ,checking weill show weekness for sure, do I check here and go over the top and take what I can get or just call to hope to make more on 4th and the ri and hope not to get screwed
thanks again forthe replays
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| Posted by: wsorbust at June 21, 2006, 7:22 am | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
With online players,I think it's like re-raising a small amount pre-flop. People aren't sure if you're full of B.S. either way. You're probably just as likely to be called, fold, or have someone go all-in, so be prepared, especially if you don't have a table image that would avoid bad things from happening. . .
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| Posted by: combuboom at June 21, 2006, 6:58 am | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dingodaddy23
example 2: same hand, but you check and he bets 2/3 the the pot and you put in a decent raise, he can safely assume u have TPTK beat and fold.
I sincerely believe that the ast majority of players online are not gonna fold that, although you still make a good point in this situation.
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| Posted by: Dingodaddy23 at June 21, 2006, 5:14 am | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
in general check-raising is over-rated. Leading with your hands disguises them better and allows you to get paid off more often. Check-raising allows your opponets to get away from their hands and make big laydowns. example: you have a small PP and opponet makes a stand PF raise, you hit your set on a flop with an ace and lead out for 2/3 the pot. Opponet is holding AK and raises you and you can move in. example 2: same hand, but you check and he bets 2/3 the the pot and you put in a decent raise, he can safely assume u have TPTK beat and fold.
times when you may want to checkraise- on a big draw to buy a free card or maybe take the pot down right there, in limit to get extra bets into the middle, and throwing in a big bluff check-raise sometimes to slow down an aggressive opponet
and you are correct, you never want to try to check-raise on a draw heavy board where your opponets might be drawing to beat you, if you are going to try to check-raise you must be pretty sure your opponet is... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: shortstacked at June 21, 2006, 4:54 am | | Topic: Check-raise Forum: Card Chat |
please talk to me about this and I see I dont do it enough
I know is a way to maybe make a little more on a hand, but I HATE to check something and let someone see a FREE card adn have that free screw me in the end
when is it good to CHECK-RAISE and when is it bad
thanks
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