| Posted by: ChuckTs at July 7, 2006, 8:22 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Fish
That is F**king INSANE!
10%?
Tell me they had a low cap.
Thing was..it's just 2 of my highschool buddies who rented out a shithole apartment, and bought 2 sets of chips and 2 poker tables. They had to make up for it somehow - and I guess a ridiculous rake was the way to go - and yes they had a decent cap at least.
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| Posted by: robwhufc at July 7, 2006, 7:29 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Nah, I disagree with Mr Caro. I think tipping dealers in effect is subsidising the Multi Millionaire Casino owners - they pay the dealers less, meaning more profit for them, with the shortfall being made up by the players (who are already paying rake). I don't see that paying a dealer a fair wage logically should lead to higher Casino charges.
If a dealer does well, then I would consider tipping, but not as an every-pot additional rake.
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| Posted by: wsorbust at July 7, 2006, 6:56 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
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I think your first line is a little stereotypical. Not all service people lack education. Some even have some college if not complete college degrees. But, there are a few that can make more in the service industry than they can in their major.
I never said people with these jobs lack education. You don't need an education to work these jobs, therefore they pay less. Maybe too little in your opinion. . .But I obviously think otherwise. A tip is a tip...unless it's built into the bill. It's not mandatory. I don't feel I or anyone should have to carry the min. wage american on my back because of pitty and the fact that the state and fed. governments won't increase the wages or kick out the illegals taking the jobs...not to mention the deficit, or gas prices, or the fact that this country is going to shambles....I think people will be lucky if they don't get less tips than in years prior.
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| Posted by: DESSERTLADY at July 7, 2006, 6:48 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by wsorbust
Of course... I realize this. But, it's like any other job without a college education...such as a waiter/ess. . . Both pay well....considering. . .whether you consider it well or not is another story. I do.
wsorbust,
This retrieved off the US Department of Labor site:
"If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the minimum hourly wage -- $5.15 an hour effective 9/1/97 -- the employer must make up the difference."
I think your first line is a little stereotypical. Not all service people lack education. Some even have some college if not complete college degrees. But, there are a few that can make more in the service industry than they can in their major.
This I know first hand have being a restaurant owner and a long time waitress.
Most places DON'T pay squat. Some do pay well. The last job I left, I made $2.60 an hour plus tips, thi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Fish at July 7, 2006, 6:40 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by ChuckTs
Thought the only time I've been to a live game with a paid dealer was at my buddy's poker place where they rake %10 (!!!)
That is F**king INSANE!
10%?
Tell me they had a low cap.
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| Posted by: MrSticker at July 7, 2006, 6:05 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Most of the tournament entry info I read about for the ones around here and in Reno give a breakdown of the entry fee disbursement and nearly all take care of the dealer from it. Sometimes, even the waitresses get a cut. I guess it speeds up the game, etc.
In cash games, I guess I'd give according to how the rest of the table gives.
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| Posted by: wsorbust at July 7, 2006, 5:47 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
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Unless I read the thread incorrectly I think we're talking cash games.
ok. . . but I would still do it right before I left a table.
I know after the Main Event Hachem or Danneman talked of tipping the dealer...at least that's what happened last year...whether it was set by the casino....by individual or a pooling of $, I'm not sure....though I can't say if people tipped after they got knocked out early on ITM...
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Let me tell ya, they aren't exactly rolling in the dough.
Of course... I realize this. But, it's like any other job without a college education...such as a waiter/ess. . . Both pay well....considering. . .whether you consider it well or not is another story. I do.
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| Posted by: juiceeQ at July 7, 2006, 4:54 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by wsorbust
They get paid well to begin with...
I know a couple of dealers from our local casino. Let me tell ya, they aren't exactly rolling in the dough. Sure, I imagine they make an OK wage, but it's not as if they're making money hand over fist. So a little tip here and there is nice.
Plus, at my casino, all the dealers in the entire casino split the tips. They go into a little lock box next to the dealer and it's divided up at the end of the shift. How much does that suck? The awesome dealer who rakes in the tips gets the same amount as the no-personality jerk a few tables over...:/
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| Posted by: DESSERTLADY at July 7, 2006, 4:44 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by wsorbust
I've never played a live tournament...but I'm reading people tip after a large pot and it seems ery illogical to me. Wouldn't you tip at the end of the tournament or before you leave the table? It would seem a lot more logical and cheaper. They get paid well to begin with...If you tip them every time someone wins a big hand, then I'd think they're getting overpaid.
wsorbust,
Unless I read the thread incorrectly I think we're talking cash games. Tournaments is a different story. At my local casino they usually put in a dealer appreciation fee along with the casino fee. ie: $65. + $15. $8. of that $15. is casino fee and $7. is dealer appreciation fee. You tip again (only if you want) if you cash.
I have heard that Dealers here in Tulsa don't make much more than tips if not all in tips. It isn't a split situation at the tables here. They keep their own tips. So what kind of money they make depends truely on the shifts that the... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: wsorbust at July 7, 2006, 4:30 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
I've never played a live tournament...but I'm reading people tip after a large pot and it seems ery illogical to me. Wouldn't you tip at the end of the tournament or before you leave the table? It would seem a lot more logical and cheaper. They get paid well to begin with...If you tip them every time someone wins a big hand, then I'd think they're getting overpaid.
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| Posted by: DESSERTLADY at July 7, 2006, 4:24 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
I usually tip on a decent pot $1.00 If it is a large pot I will tip more.
Only if the dealer is helpful to the table, friendly and knowledgeable. If someone has to help him/her to figure out a split pot or who won the hand :P Need more training there Bud.
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| Posted by: juiceeQ at July 7, 2006, 4:01 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by nateofdeath
i've seen pleanty of people do that and tip $.50 a hand
You're absolutely right, Nate. That is ridiculous. I only tip if I've won a big pot. If I'm not winning, I'm not tipping. Even though I do think it's courteous to tip, I do find myself wondering why I'm tipping the dealer...are they stacking the deck in my favor? So I can definitely see others' points why they don't.
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| Posted by: rottyowner65 at July 7, 2006, 3:45 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Well for me to tip a dealer a couple things have got to be in place.
First, i have to be playing good and the dealer is friendly.
Second, i have to be tired and ready to leave the table.
Third, the dealer must be female and single to receive my tip and if everything goes as planned she can have the whole thing.
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| Posted by: JeeDub84 at July 7, 2006, 1:47 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
I usually tip the dealer when I win a decent pot or if he/she has dealt for awhile. If I see them again dealing at my table then I am less inclined at that point. One thing you must all think of is that casino dealers are like waitresses in a fraction of the sense. The dealers or some really rely on the tips that they get. Some dealers make a large percentage of thier wages from those tips alone. Another thing is that the rake doesnt go to the dealers at all and the casino is the ones that take that as thier profit for hosting the game(just like any online site). I am not trying to convice you to give your money away to these people, but maybe consider it before you discard the notion of tipping.
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| Posted by: Beriac at July 7, 2006, 1:35 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Of course I only play online or with friends, and neither Poker Stars nor my friends are worthy of a tip in my opinion.
Prolly would at a casino, if for no other reason than that it's standard practice.
I do agree that tipping in our society is strangely skewed toward certain professions and away from others, and can understand how certain people disagree with it as a result.
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| Posted by: t1riel at July 7, 2006, 1:13 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
I only tip the dealer if I'm winning a lot of pots or I just won a HUGE pot with a miracle river card. Other than that, they take me $5 rake every half hour I'm at the table.
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| Posted by: Sammyv1 at July 7, 2006, 12:26 pm | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
I tried dragging my chips over to the dealer with my cursor, and it doesn't work! I guess Jess (dealer) just doesn't want a tip!
Seriously though, yes I did, the 2 times I've played I won big, so I had a good chip count when I left the table!
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| Posted by: nateofdeath at July 7, 2006, 6:13 am | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by robwhufc
I've been working for 18 years and can count the number of tips i've got on 1 hand, so no, i wouldn't tip someone for moving 2 bits of card 6 foot.
the thing of it is Rob, you're right. there really is no reason to do it. they get paid well enough as it is only to get another dollar per hand. Having said that, every time i've played live, i do it, mainly because everone else does, and it seemed like when i wouldn't, i wouldn't win another hand for hours. It really is rediculious. I would reccomend bringing along a roll of fifty cent piecies, half a dollar. i've seen pleanty of people do that and tip $.50 a hand, which is better then a dollar. IMO it really is rediculious, and it's mainly only done becuase of superstition.
-n
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at July 7, 2006, 6:06 am | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by juiceeQ
You really are rotten, aren't you Robbie?
LOL seriously....
Yes, of course I tip the dealer. Thought the only time I've been to a live game with a paid dealer was at my buddy's poker place where they rake %10 (!!!), I still tipped the fooker
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| Posted by: smd173 at July 7, 2006, 5:43 am | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
Sometimes I'll tip a buck after I win a hand, other times I'll wait until they are about the leave the table and tip them (based on how I felt they dealt). If they had some misdeals, I'll tip less. Kinda like a waitress that doesn't get your order quite right.
But since I play mainly limit in the casinos it's not that bad. If I played NL, I'd probably tip less, cause you never know when you might need those extra chips.
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| Posted by: robwhufc at July 7, 2006, 5:31 am | | Topic: do you tip the dealer Forum: Card Chat |
I've been working for 18 years and can count the number of tips i've got on 1 hand, so no, i wouldn't tip someone for moving 2 bits of card 6 foot.
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