| Posted by: LetsGetItOn at July 10, 2006, 11:38 am | | Topic: The perfect poker bet. Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Beriac
Of course, I ought to point out that I also saw an episode of Learn with the Pros recently, and they highlighted the time that Negreanu bluffed Freddy Deeb out of a huge pot by making a similarly small bet on the river.
I do that olay a little too much, when I do get called down leaves alot of opponents scratching their heads when the cards get flipped.
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| Posted by: ctedards at July 10, 2006, 10:26 am | | Topic: The perfect poker bet. Forum: Card Chat |
I agree, in the cash game u have to push push push. Put the pressure on the drawing hand or weak ace by making them commit their stack or a good portion of it. The same can work early on in tournaments. You can push early especially in a freezout-no one wants to bust out early on a draw.
As for maxing the call when you have the nuts. I like to make it just enough to where they "have" to call. If its a cash game and there is $5 in the pot and I have the nuts by the river, I'll bet $2 just to get a call. Less than half the pot should get you a call if they have any sort of hand.
GOOD LUCK!!
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| Posted by: poettic1 at July 8, 2006, 5:22 am | | Topic: The perfect poker bet. Forum: Card Chat |
to me it is totally dependant on what game it is cash or tourney, semi pro or fish. because in a tourney pot odds don't come into affect nearly as much as people seem to think, setting odds to a guy in a tourney is statistically wrong . while you will win x amount over time where x amount is (odds/ potsize/the fraction of pot it'll cost you) that's in chips with no monetary alue. that means you still have to play to be ITM. so making to pot odds call over and over again will eventually get you set(loss) in a tourney.so allot of players care not about the pot odds but more about price(value of pot/their current stack/bet size) and phase of tourney it is. seems string him along with a smudged correct alue is better here than an all out assult.
where as in a cash game pot odds is basically all you have so with no protection alue no spot to fight for, i underprice them let them play into me. no one is gonna fold a $20 bet into a $200 pot with a draw right? reason i do this is i want them in the han... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Beriac at July 8, 2006, 2:49 am | | Topic: The perfect poker bet. Forum: Card Chat |
I think if I believe that the illain is most likely drawing and I have the best hand, I try to figure out what his odds are and give him worse odds than that, but getting illain to fold to an astronomical bet isn't a win. The objective is to make your opponent make mistakes, and folding to a 3x pot-sized bet is not a mistake. So I try to give tempting but incorrect odds to calls. If my opponent has a 3:1 shot of making his flush, I'll give him 4:1 to 5:1. People who don't bother with "math" in poker might call anyway, and it's EV+ for me every time they do. Sometimes I lose, but on balance because of the way the probabilities work it's beneficial for me every time that gets called.
Of course, I ought to point out that I also saw an episode of Learn with the Pros recently, and they highlighted the time that Negreanu bluffed Freddy Deeb out of a huge pot by making a similarly small bet on the river. Whereas in your example he used it to make his curious opponent call, in mine he made it... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Lo-Dog at July 8, 2006, 1:49 am | | Topic: The perfect poker bet. Forum: Card Chat |
So I saw some poker show the other day and they showed Daniel Negreanu betting with near nuts. Something like 80,000 into a 600,000 or more pot. It was just enough to get the other guy to wonder and make the call. Of course he won and went on to do well.
Now I tend to win a lot of pots by betting enough to kill the odds against the illain and when I feel I am ahead I seem to be against some kind of draw I want to kill. But I know that sometimes I am not maximizing what I can get out of a pot.
Maybe I scare people a little too much with my bets?
Anyway my question is, and I know a lot of it pertains to what reads I have, what is your stragedy lol I mean stategy for betting when you are pretty sure you have it but the illain is most likely drawing?
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