| Posted by: don8ions at July 12, 2006, 4:15 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
My $0.02...money talks and lobbyists can easily sway politicians to ote one way or another, the fact the US has a conservative gov't right now really doesn't matter because the big money making online sites have enough to sway the decision makers. They tried to do this with prohibition numerous times since the '20s and that never happened. Gambling is not nearly as big a problem as alcoholism and we have treatment facilities for both problems. There are much bigger domestic issues currently that online gambling, which effects mainly the demographic who doesn't contribute to them...so back off man! Hope I didn't step on any toes there. I kinda like having a second income right guys? I'll claim them on my taxes
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| Posted by: zinzan1000 at July 12, 2006, 3:24 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
While I would commend Duke, Lederer, and Hellmuth for their part in trying to make these people see sense, I find myself wondering whether the main reasons/excuses for banning it, addictiveness, debt, poverty etc are justifiable to poker itself.
On the most part, online poker players improve over time thus limiting their losses etc, and in a lot of cases improve their financial situation.
It is usually the newbies ( fish ) that afford others to make a buck or two, until they themselves improve to a degree that allows them to profit or float along at an affordable level.
Would it be fair to say that online casinos albeit that many operate both poker sites and casino games, hold the most responsibility for addiction and debt.
Were any of their high brow promoters alongside Duke and the likes?
Slot machines for example are ery addictive and are dependant on the click of a button while having no skill factor involved, and no scope to improve your game play, thus always relying on lu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: robwhufc at July 12, 2006, 9:16 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
These quotes are from Republican Dave Weldon (from Marklar's link).
The FBI and the Department of Justice say Internet gambling serves as a medium for money laundering activities, and can be exploited by terrorists to that end. Congress has a chance to address this issue when it considers legislation I have co-sponsored, H.R. 4777, the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act.
Probably is true, but then surely the thing to do would be to regulate and check sites, not attempt to ban them. Money Launderers would move money at high olume, not at the low limit tables, so surely with the assistance of the gaming sites it would be easier to spot potential launderers (and hence terrorists). He doesn't seem to realise that the USA does not equal the World. Banning Americans form access to the site wouldn't stop Money Laundering if that is going on.
This act will preserve states' ability to regulate gambling within their borders, but with better controls so that it does not extend beyond thei... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: roundcat at July 12, 2006, 4:53 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
It's so ironic that with poker at its peak of popularity and just becoming widely acceptable due to its (over)exposure on TV, our lawmakers are inches away from banning it online.
My state already made it illegal to place a bet online so I've been playing freerolls since then, aside from the last few days I've spent in Vegas, where I've felt free to log on and play a few games. The adjustment was less traumatic than I imagined it might be, and I haven't missed playing real money games too terribly. Then again, it's not a significant source of income for me as it is for some others.
I appreciate the US but not our government. I wouldn't leave on the sole basis of online poker being illegal, but I live so close to Canada it wouldn't be much of a change for me anyway if things were to get worse here in more ways.
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| Posted by: Effexor at July 12, 2006, 3:08 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
These people are such hypocrites it's sickening. They claim that "Internet betting can be addictive and can lead people to lose their savings."
Yet online lotteries and BETTING ON HORSE RACING is exempt.
Rep. Shelley Berkley D-Nev., pushed for removal of the exemptions. She said it was unfair to allow online lotteries and Internet betting on horse racing to flourish while cracking down on other kinds of sports betting, casino games and card games like poker.
but.. since the senate majority whip is from KENTUCKY, they had to leave the exemptions in there or it surely wouldn't pass in the senate.
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| Posted by: Sammyv1 at July 12, 2006, 2:43 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by ChuckTs
Ohhhhhh great...here comes the migration of hundreds of thousands of American gamblers through Canada...
Quick guys! Hide the precious beer!
Oh Chuck, I can drive to Canada in less then an hour. What is your address? (I mean my new address) Oh, and yes I would love to drink all your beer. Start cookin up that bacon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Posted by: lightning36 at July 12, 2006, 2:38 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Sorry guys, but I'll take the USA over any other country any day, warts (especially politicians) and all. No use bringing up the "issues" of other countries.
As for gambling ... I am surprised the idiots in Congress don't look at this online gambling as a big bonanza for cash.
I have been going to Las Vegas for over twenty years. Used to seem almost like I was doing something "dirty" when I went there.
During the 1980's and beyond, states found out that they could make good money by running lotteries. Then, riverboat casinos and casinos run by American Indians started popping up everywhere.
As poker became more popular, suddenly gambling became more and more a part of everyday life.
NOW ... suddenly Congress decides that gambling is bad???
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| Posted by: Freakakanus at July 12, 2006, 2:08 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
lol @ America.
- At war in Iraq & Afghanistan
- North Korea nuke crisis
- Dwindling domestic economy
- Huge problems with illegal immigration
- Obesity sweeping the nation
- More that I can't think of 'cos it's 1am.
HAY GUYZ WAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS BAN THAT ONLINE POKER ZOMG
Really, I'd find it pretty hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
(this post wasn't an attack on America in general before I get jumped on for it - I'm merely pointing out some of the more pressing issues that really should be prioritised somewhat - pretty much every country I'd imagine has more pressing issues then banning intarweb gambling).
Couldn't agree with you more. There are more important things that we should
be dealing with instead of wasting time on this.
ChuckTs http://www.cardschat.com/showthread....n#post402 683
Thanks for putting this back up front Ch... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Marklar at July 12, 2006, 1:58 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Take a look at this propaganda
tcpalm.com/tcp/opinion_columnists/article/0,,TCP_24463_4802690,00.html
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The FBI and the Department of Justice say Internet gambling serves as a medium for money laundering activities, and can be exploited by terrorists to that end. Congress has a chance to address this issue when it considers legislation I have co-sponsored, H.R. 4777, the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act.
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| Posted by: MrSticker at July 12, 2006, 1:32 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
lol @ America.
- At war in Iraq & Afghanistan
- North Korea nuke crisis
- Dwindling domestic economy
- Huge problems with illegal immigration
- Obesity sweeping the nation
- More than I can't think of 'cos it's 1am.
Exactly right. I was just going to say that this place is going to hell in a handbasket. And to top it off: The beer at the Brewfest wasn't as good as prior years. LOL!
Just wondering, DM: How do you know so much about the problems in the US? Do you get mega-CNN over there or something?
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| Posted by: nateofdeath at July 12, 2006, 12:25 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
(this post wasn't an attack on America in general before I get jumped on for it - I'm merely pointing out some of the more pressing issues that really should be prioritised somewhat - pretty much every country I'd imagine has more pressing issues then banning intarweb gambling).
hard to take offense when you're right, but you have to realize that's just the way america, and specificly american politics, works. Most of the big debatable "issues" in this country are all diversionary, meant to turn people's attention away from all the real problems we have. I know it probably doesn't make sense to you, living in a more politically responsible country (or at least that's the way it looks from our side of the pond), heck it doesn't make much sense to me, but that's just the way it is here
-n
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| Posted by: wsorbust at July 12, 2006, 12:16 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
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HAY GUYZ WAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS BAN THAT ONLINE POKER ZOMG
lol. No no . That's def. an attack on America in general. I for one, also find it hilarious. Although I wouldn't say the N. Koreans testing Nukes is entirely a American problem.
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at July 12, 2006, 12:09 am | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
lol @ America.
- At war in Iraq & Afghanistan
- North Korea nuke crisis
- Dwindling domestic economy
- Huge problems with illegal immigration
- Obesity sweeping the nation
- More that I can't think of 'cos it's 1am.
HAY GUYZ WAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS BAN THAT ONLINE POKER ZOMG
Really, I'd find it pretty hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
(this post wasn't an attack on America in general before I get jumped on for it - I'm merely pointing out some of the more pressing issues that really should be prioritised somewhat - pretty much every country I'd imagine has more pressing issues then banning intarweb gambling).
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| Posted by: nateofdeath at July 11, 2006, 11:59 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Freakakanus
As soon as my funds clear to neteller, I'm joining the pokerplayersalliance. I figure it's all I can really do and at least it's something. I hope I'm not the only one.
don't freak out yet... no pun intended. It's entirelly possible this is, like online file sharing, little more then a scare tactic. If it does shut down, i'm personally going to use it as an excuse to blow my bankroll on a few million dollar guarentees on stars.
again i say that it shouldn't surprise anyone that a right we never had is being taken away. forighn companies are making money off americans and uncle sam isn't getting a cut. What do you expect? While I'd hope, like pokerplayersalliance is quick to point out, that all the possible money that could be made taxing it will cause a reconsideration, that argument hasn't worked for drugs and prostitution. I still think we'll be playing for years to come, but if not, we'd be better off moving to Canada rather t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: medeiros13 at July 11, 2006, 11:52 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by wsorbust
1. Banning online poker is 1 thing, but asking ISP companies to ban a site or block them is another. It's some sort of freedom of choice that the government can't or won't go against. Possibly, blocking sites such as China? does, makes people believe the gov't has resorted to some sort of communism, and politicians don't want to risk their cushy jobs? An extension of Roe s Wade...? I guess we'll see.
I think this is the point to focus on if you're really concerned about this bill. I'm looking at this the same way as hedge funds if you are familiar with the investment world. These hedge funds weren't complying with SEC (read government rules and regs) so they set up funds based in the Cayman Islands etc. I'm sure these gambling sites can set up sites that are based outside the US so US citizens can play there..... I just can't see the government putting in the time or effort blocking all these sites. If they cared, these jesus freaks probably... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: wsorbust at July 11, 2006, 11:02 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
OMG Rigged...!
The major poker companies actually did lobby congress....they sent Duke, Lederer, Hellmuth etc.
http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org
I agree...and just think . . . Now we won't have ANY threads from USA'ers. . . except for live play.
p.s. you can't put full blame on Republicans. . . they don't hold every seat. You should blame old, rich, white Congressman who don't know how to use a computer!
cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/11/internet.gambling.Absolute Poker/index.html
Democrats can be blamed for it too. Take a look at the ote. 317-93 ... Not that it really matters.
Lets get to the topic EVERYONE is talking about: Did Tom and Katie REALLY have a baby!?
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| Posted by: bubbasbestbabe at July 11, 2006, 10:58 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
My own personal effort on the way things are today. You wouldn't believe how many thumbs up I get. You could say that this is the shape of things to come next election. People are waiting.
And if you can't make out what it says, it says " REPUBLICANS ARE DESTROYING USA"
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| Posted by: nateofdeath at July 11, 2006, 10:51 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
hmmmmm....
i saw the article this morning too. first time i've read anything other then my horoscope in years. In reality it shouldn't be that surprising, as gambling in generally illegal in this country anyway. What's funny about it is it is so selective, alowing such things as online lotteries and betting on horse racing, the former because of all the money it makes for so many states, and the later because... well... i don't know. the sport of kings must have a good lobby. In terms of why the major online poker sites have not set up a lobby against it, assuming they haven't, they are all non-american companies, and this probably snuck up on them as much as it did us, even though we have had pleanty of warning. I for one doubt that anyone will lose their money on this deal. Most of the bigs sites at least will probably pay out should online poker in america go under at risk of damaging their reputation in the rest of the world. I also think that the implications of this will probably be far l... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Marklar at July 11, 2006, 10:37 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
I was expecting this to pass because gambling online was already illegal, it just wasnt "banned". Also since it was a republican backed bill I figured it would get through pretty easily. Keep your poker skills handy for the casinos. Dont let play money games mess up your game
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| Posted by: wsorbust at July 11, 2006, 10:30 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote:
#1.If they can somehow get ISP companies to block sites then how can we get to them? (poker sites) [IMG]images/smilies/newomg/confused.gif[/IMG]
#2.Are you calling me a triangle?
#3.Why not? [IMG]images/smilies/newomg/confused.gif[/IMG]
#4.No insult taken, I would love to move but with gas prices at $3+/gallon, I'd barely get out of my state let alone to another country.
So if you see a guy with 2 dogs, 2 birds, a wife, and a kid hitchhiking towards Mexico.......lend em' a hand, it will probably be the Freaks!
1. Banning online poker is 1 thing, but asking ISP companies to ban a site or block them is another. It's some sort of freedom of choice that the government can't or won't go against. Possibly, blocking sites such as China? does, makes people believe the gov't has resorted to some sort of communism, and politicians don't want to risk their cushy jobs? An extension of Roe s Wade...? I guess we'll see.
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3. Ok. I do have a probl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: gord962 at July 11, 2006, 10:14 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by robwhufc
So what? No Americans = No easy money = No point playing any more
If all the online gamblers in the USA move some place where it is legal to gamble online I can still take their money no matter where they live, they just won't be as easy to spot.
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| Posted by: gord962 at July 11, 2006, 9:51 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Freakakanus
I would love to move but with gas prices at $3+/gallon, I'd barely get out of my state let alone to another country.
So if you see a guy with 2 dogs, 2 birds, a wife, and a kid hitchhiking towards Mexico.......lend em' a hand, it will probably be the Freaks!
Head North to Canada - the economy in Alberta is booming right now, health care is cheap AND GAMBLING ONLINE IS STILL LEGAL
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| Posted by: Freakakanus at July 11, 2006, 9:42 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by wsorbust
#1. The U.S. surely won't be able to enforce these regulations.
#2. To think you can spend your hard earned money wherever you want is slightly obtuse.
#3. I see no problem with banning online poker in the U.S..
#4. Don't take this as a insult, but if you honestly hate America you should probably try to get used to it....try to reform it, or maybe leave. . . or possibly get extremely lucky that things turn around in a heart beat because things are looking grim. I'm thinking Canada because my German isn't that good.
#1.If they can somehow get ISP companies to block sites then how can we get to them? (poker sites)
#2.Are you calling me a triangle?
#3.Why not?
#4.No insult taken, I would love to move but with gas prices at $3+/gallon, I'd barely get out of my state let alone to another country.
So if you see a guy with 2 dogs, 2 birds, a wife, and a kid hitchhiking towards Mexico.......lend em' a hand, i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MrSticker at July 11, 2006, 9:00 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Might be a while. Here's the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060711/...et_gambling_18
I think the Senate will come to its senses. Too hard to control a ban. It's a bigger cash cow for them to regulate it.
Let's all try to think positively. Let's hope this industry has enough dough to afford a good lobby. Where's the big boys like Party, Stars, & Full Tilt? They should show up soon to fight this thing.
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| Posted by: wsorbust at July 11, 2006, 8:56 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
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Once again we are being "saved" by the morality police from the dangers of spending our hard earned cash however we choose.
America is honestly going to shambles as it is....for numerous reasons. The U.S. surely won't be able to enforce these regulations. It's basically the same problem of stopping file sharing piracy or drug trafficing. It's too widespread, the country's too big, no one really cares, and there's not enough funding. Poker in the U.S. has always been illegal. To think you can spend your hard earned money wherever you want is slightly obtuse. It's also illegal to hire a killer or slave etc....certain principles, rules and regulations must be applied. I see no problem with banning online poker in the U.S.. I think the bigger question is: Why start implementing regulations now? and why online poker? Answers: Billions of $ in tax revenue... that should stay in the country and "help" in different areas (such as invading every other country ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: robwhufc at July 11, 2006, 8:04 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
They're doing it to protect the American family, so there you go Jesse, stop playing Poker and start being a good parent (you could start by taking Ripley to the shooting range i suppose).
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| Posted by: Sammyv1 at July 11, 2006, 7:58 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Oh shitski, I haven't heard it passed! Well, I guess we are all done then right! Us in the U.S. anyway! We really need to figure out when this goes into effect. I have about $1,100 out there on 3 different sites. Wouldn't want to lose all that dough.
Land of the Free???
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| Posted by: Freakakanus at July 11, 2006, 7:51 pm | | Topic: How long until we have no rights at all? Forum: Card Chat |
Just heard on the news that the U.S. House has passed the law banning online gambling in the states. Once again we are being "saved" by the morality police from the dangers of spending our hard earned cash however we choose. I'm sure no one in the Senate will stand up for our rights so a total ban in the U.S. is soon to come.
My question is how long until this shit takes affect? I want to withdraw all my cash before it gets stolen from me but still want to play in the meantime.
Anyone know the time table when the banks and ISP companies will start operation "big brother"?
God I hate America. I'm sorry for saying that my fellow American's but I really do. There is no hope left in this shithole of a country unless you are a Ultra-Elite millionaire or a god damn Jesus freak.
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