| Posted by: beardyian at August 30, 2006, 1:42 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
I play mainly at cash games - purely because the chance of profit is quicker
Also i can get into a groove easier and begin to tell who is who and play them in the right way.
Sure you get bad beats but also if you know the players style you can get them to pay you off more because of their own faults .
If you do play more cash, the most important thing is not to let the daily arience affect you too much, sure your going to be gutted losing, but was it from 1 hand, a bad mistake, unlucky cards etc.
The same in reverse is true when winning, where you 'in the zone', on a run or picking the players to call.
I manage to have more win days than loses, but the loses still bite
Never ever gamble outside of your comfort zone - scared money doesnt win
IanT
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| Posted by: don8ions at August 28, 2006, 8:15 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Raising your stakes is fine if your bankroll can handle it, otherwise you'll find much more experienced, patient players and end up getting quite frustrated when you find you don't win as often. The payouts are better though. I find the limits don't matter as much as the time of day you play. During the day, there are much better players and at night...after the bar maybe...much more fish. You're all right to play about any time on the weekends too.
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at August 28, 2006, 6:52 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by LetsGetItOn
Im sure there are many but the ones that make any real profit at sngs and MTT's are the people who play $50 buyins and up. If your a little rough at NLHE cash games it might be better to play LHE ones. Get decent at that with a rakeback plan and your set.
Regarding the above statement you made, you think ppl would be better playing $50+ buyins. I`m not doubting this, but where do you get your stats from to back this up and what level do you think the players should be at?
The reason I ask is I play mainly $10-25 buy in MTT & SNG. I do ok. I have flirted with the idea of raising my stakes. Any thoughts or advice?
Ronaldadio
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| Posted by: LetsGetItOn at August 28, 2006, 4:48 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Im sure there are many but the ones that make any real profit at sngs and MTT's are the people who play $50 buyins and up. If your a little rough at NLHE cash games it might be better to play LHE ones. Get decent at that with a rakeback plan and your set.
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at August 28, 2006, 11:49 am | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Allsopp
I think your misunderstanding what I say, in my post. I'm not into the ego I'm better than you thing so some of you can make all the assumptions you want as to my credibility.
However my advice is real advice, not robot advice or one tournament win, online poker "pro" who hit a hot streak once and now thinks they are Daniel Negreanu - there are so many out there.
What I say isn't damaging, it should be taken on board so that new players dont fall into the same trap as most.
You cant win at poker by playing tight aggressive and waiting for premium hands. You need to mix it up alot. The two basic reasons are:
1. New players get commited to big hands since they come so few and far between and therefore think they have the divine right to win with them. How often have you seen people call big bets down to the river with Ace high from AK and nothing more? Or gone all in pre flop early to mind way through a tou... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Allsopp at August 27, 2006, 10:45 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
I think your misunderstanding what I say, in my post. I'm not into the ego I'm better than you thing so some of you can make all the assumptions you want as to my credibility.
However my advice is real advice, not robot advice or one tournament win, online poker "pro" who hit a hot streak once and now thinks they are Daniel Negreanu - there are so many out there.
What I say isn't damaging, it should be taken on board so that new players dont fall into the same trap as most.
You cant win at poker by playing tight aggressive and waiting for premium hands. You need to mix it up alot. The two basic reasons are:
1. New players get commited to big hands since they come so few and far between and therefore think they have the divine right to win with them. How often have you seen people call big bets down to the river with Ace high from AK and nothing more? Or gone all in pre flop early to mind way through a tournament with hands like AQ and AK.
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| Posted by: quazar66 at August 26, 2006, 7:27 am | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
I would have to say if you want to win most of the time you need to play one type of game. If your best at sit and goes stick to that. Build a bank roll and play your limits. If you only have $200 play $10 or $15 games. As for your ring games if your not winning play limit. Use pot odds and read some books. Most people want to play nl and do ok but make to many stuid mistakes. If you play limit learn the correct way to play it. Its all odds.
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at August 24, 2006, 10:27 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Egon Towst
Depends on what you want from the game, surely. Poker...represents a contribution to the household income rather than an expense.
What`s wrong with that ?
Amen to that brother. Success is in the eyes of the player (at an individual level). Here are the first two definitions I found for successful:
1. Having a favorable outcome
2. Having obtained something desired or intended
Sound right to me. If generating positive cash flow is your goal and you do it, you are successful. If your goal is to make an amount of money equal to or greater than the mortgage payment, and you do it, that is successful. Also, you may not do it every month even, but over the long term you are achieving your personal goals, then you are successful.
IMHO, most of Allsopp's post is off the mark and doesn't sound like advice a "semi professional player" would be giving. At least not one that really plays online and/or ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Egon Towst at August 24, 2006, 10:04 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Allsopp
By playing tight you cannot make big profits. You may be able to withdraw the odd $100 every other month but to me that is not successful poker.
Depends on what you want from the game, surely. What you`re describing is ery much the level I am at and I am ery happy with it. I make no claim to be a pro. Poker is my hobby and, unlike almost any other hobby I could think of, it represents a contribution to the household income rather than an expense.
What`s wrong with that ?
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| Posted by: combuboom at August 17, 2006, 8:43 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Agreed with Lo-Dog.
I think Allsopp saying that "tight aggressive poker is poker for stupid people" sounds like the words of someone who doesn't really know what they're talking about. If your definition of TAG strategy is playing only premium hands like a robot, then you've got the wrong definition. Obviously you need to mix up your game... I mean, one of the main points of even having a tight image is to take advantage of it later on by mixing up your game.
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| Posted by: Lo-Dog at August 17, 2006, 6:56 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Allsop said:"Tight aggressive poker is poker for stupid people or inexperienced players that aren't intelligent or experienced enough to understand the complexity of such a game as poker.
Dont want to sound like I am preaching but in truth I am just trying to save tight aggressive players some money. Robotic poker wont work at any level long term. Espiecially in Cash Games!"
If all you ever do is play top ten hands then I can see your point. However, to say TAG is for stupid people and so on is, well, stupid.
You have to mix up your game but having a TAG basis to your game can makey you lots of money.
I play 90% in side games and do just fine thank you. Your post wreaks of arrogance and is a disservice to anyone new who takes you at your word.
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at August 17, 2006, 6:42 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
(I was the person who started this thread, by the way.)
I will bow to your experience, BUT ...
A lot of what you say makes sense. I`ve only been playing for a relativley short period of time, 7 months, and I am one of your `robots` playing tight aggressive.
I have kept notes and figs since I started to play, and a week ago a poker pro sat down with me and pointed out a few obvious things to me.
He noticed that I got off to a good start - after 2 months I had started with $200 and I had increased that to $4,000. Playing MTT $ single table SNG`s. (all on line & I did get a big win within that time of $2,400 )
I then went through a bad patch. My $4,000 droped to $1,000. Then I spent 2 months winning and losing a bit.
He pointed out the following:-My losing streak started when I started playing at higher stakes - drop back.I was starting to play too many hands - tighten up.Play your cards early in a tourny on line, but when you get to the last 20-30,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: PocketMG at August 17, 2006, 3:06 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
hey all...
i think that im doing ery well at making a living out of playing poker....im a student and i get no funds what so ever from any source, roughly about a year i managed to win a nice amount in a lottery (40k or so) and i have manged to double that in a year or so mainly playing cash games at the casino. online i have a tendancy of not appreciating the monetry alue of numbers as compared to the monetry alue of a nice stack sitting infront of me at the casino. i regularly play live tournaments and 30-40% of the time i place in the money with 10 - 15% of the time placing in the top 10 and getting a substantial amount of money. Dont get me wrong ive had bad days and even weeks at one stage i manged to lose 12k in 2 weeks.
To me personally i think the key to making money is to play a consistent ariable game if that makes any sense. Dont be tooooooo tight or even worse toooooo loose and study is always good. lol analyse the play and the players to either increase your winnings or decreas... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Allsopp at August 16, 2006, 8:54 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
The fact is, only good players can make long term profits in cash games because in cash games you need to have that sixth sense reading ability, be able to mix up your play so much more and more importantly be able to avoid trouble.
In truth, in cash games you cant make a decent amount of money by just sitting back and playing premium hands. Anyone who says that you can - is a liar. Because when you get a badbeat at cash games, it hurts your bankroll so much more than losing a tournament buy in.
By playing the premium hand strategy you can consistently place in SnG's but nothing major and by using the same strategy in MTT's along with blind stealing you can probably place in them every now and again but most of the time get knocked out on the bubble.
If anyone can prove me wrong by showing their profit and loss account details from a site i'd really love to see it.
By playing tight you cannot make big profits. You may be able to withdraw the odd $100 every other mont... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bubbasbestbabe at August 16, 2006, 1:59 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
The bigest diference in playing the SNGs and MTTs s ring games is part mental set, part card play.
In your tourneys you have a set number of chips. Because this isn't "real money" most players play looser on the hands they have. By this I mean you are willing to commit a potion of chips to the pot with the thought in mind that if you lose you still have chips to continue with,(unless its an allin call).
When you play ring games your hand playing should tighten up till it squeeks. Especially in low limits. If you play only the premium hands you will clean up. Some bad beats will still come your way but your bankroll will increase drastically. Fish think they are gods of poker and nobody will call their bluffs if they throw a ast amount of money in the pot.
It is hard to make that transition when going back and forth between the two types of games. I think that is one factor that separates the pros from the amatuers.
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at August 16, 2006, 4:49 am | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
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But let's say you raise with a big hand and get two callers, chances are your hand is probably going to hold up. As to the alternative, you're playing low limit poker, you raise with a big hand and then you get four to five callers. And they will call with ANYTHING.
Another thing is that you have to adjust your play if you're sitting at a table full of loose players like this (which is obviously ery common at the micros).
Raising 3 or 4 BBs isn't enough anymore. Try 5, 6 or even more and not only will it generally get fewer callers, but the amount they're calling for is going to make up for the money lost with fewer callers. I can only wish that 1/2, 2/4 and up was played like 0.01/0.02 is.
To me it sounds like your non-believing in profitable poker at the micros is the result of the inevitable bad beats that happen.
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| Posted by: F Paulsson at August 16, 2006, 4:21 am | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Joe03681
Sure it does. Generally you want idiots at the table of course, that's what makes the game profitable.
Absolutely correct.
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But
Argh, why did I know you were going to say that?
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let's say you raise with a big hand and get two callers, chances are your hand is probably going to hold up. As to the alternative, you're playing low limit poker, you raise with a big hand and then you get four to five callers. And they will call with ANYTHING. Unless you are constantly catching big hands it's almost impossible to be sure when you do or don't have the best hand. And you will take some bad losses in the process.
This is probably the most common misconception in poker today, and you're fuelling it. You're doing it articulately, which is at least better than "wtf i should move up to $10/$20 cos their they respect my raises!"
The truth:
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| Posted by: jromeo024 at August 15, 2006, 11:14 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
probably posted this same thing on here but here goes. i played pretty much all tournaments my first two years. Sitngoes and multies maybe15% cash games. I made the money roughly 30% of the time and still lost quite a bit of money. This includes a few top finishes in multies up to $770. The odds of putting together a run strong enough in tournaments to make bank is pretty slim(unless you play higher buyin tournaments where much more skill is involved). The biggest thing to making money online is utilizing the bonuses. Switch sites alot and use sign up bonuses. I started becoming a break even player only after switching to cash games. I mostly play around a .25-.50 nl and i've had months as high as 800 profit playing off $20. The thing about cash games is your reward for playing a good hand and getting paid off is more aluable in a tournament. You can get up leave and take your profit. In a tournament you have to continue to fight it out, hope you play well, don't get unlucky, don't get blinded off. In a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Joe03681 at August 15, 2006, 8:31 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by F Paulsson
This does not compute.
Sure it does. Generally you want idiots at the table of course, that's what makes the game profitable.
But let's say you raise with a big hand and get two callers, chances are your hand is probably going to hold up. As to the alternative, you're playing low limit poker, you raise with a big hand and then you get four to five callers. And they will call with ANYTHING. Unless you are constantly catching big hands it's almost impossible to be sure when you do or don't have the best hand. And you will take some bad losses in the process.
If it still doesn't compute go sit down at a .25-.50 no limit table for a while and get back to me.
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| Posted by: Egon Towst at August 15, 2006, 4:27 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Threesixes
over the long run short handed turbo SNGs seem to be a consistent winner for me.
SNGs are my main earner as well, but I`d love to hear what techniques you use to win consistently at shorthand turbos. I`d have thought the ariance would be massive compared to standard SNGs.
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| Posted by: unlucky at August 15, 2006, 2:22 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
I'm more of a cash game and Mtt's person than sng's. I can't win a sng to save my life for some reason. I had a buddy at work playing on ultimate play at .01/.02 nl on ultimate bet make over $300.00 in 6 months on ultimate and he said he played two tables and a time and averaged about 40 to 50 hours a month. If your trying to make a living that wouldn't be good. I play mainly .10/.25 nl cash games and usually make 300 a month off them and thats good enough for me.
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| Posted by: Joe03681 at August 15, 2006, 1:57 am | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
I'm in agreement with most of the above posters. If you play for small stakes then SNG's are your best way to go.
The reason it's hard to make money in low limit cash games is because there are so many donks in them. It's impossible to put them on hands and you will take a lot of beats that you don't see coming. In the SNG's these types of players generally go out quicker (all though they do get hot sometimes) and in this case they can't buy back in.
If you are going to play cash games I'd say your best to stick with limit instead of no limit, if you're a hold em player. The beats will happen still but at least you won't lose a wad of cash on one hand, and good more play pays off more often.
Good advice is to also sign up for different sites and take advantage of the bonuses. I'm mostly breaking even in limit HE cash games, but I'm going from site to site just whoring the bonus. So technically i'm making some profit playing them and would like to get up to higher limits that... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: PreciousLor at August 14, 2006, 8:28 pm | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Ronaldadio
do u guys know of any poker players that make money out of the game and don`t play cash games?
I know several who only play MTTs, and successfully. 3 or 4 wins a month, and another 8 to 10 (or so) 2nd/3rds/4ths (at the $109 type buy-in level). Be warned though, this is from around 300 or 350 MTTs a month. You need a good bankroll and lots of experience.
Becoming a successful cash player takes a long time. Winning a bit at micro limits does not translate to being a successful cash player. Winning a handful of sessions at higher limits does not translate to being a successful cash player.
If you can play 60 hours a week, for several months and achieve an hourly rate high enough to live on, then you might be able to make it, but for most this will be nothing but a pipe dream. Most players wont last a year. It requires enormas disciplin in the face of relentless tedium to stand any chance. Extremely few will ever make it in N... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Threesixes at August 14, 2006, 2:57 am | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
I usually do a whole bunch of the same whether it be SNG's or Ring Games, NL or Limit. When I hit an unlucky spot with one type, I switch to the other to try and change things up. Right now I'm doing good at the 3/6 limit cash games, but over the long run short handed turbo SNGs seem to be a consistent winner for me. Seems I lose money a lot faster at ring games, but make it a lot faster too.
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at August 14, 2006, 2:19 am | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
I generally have a negative profit (for whatever reason) in cash games, but do fine in SnGs. I believe I'm a break-even player in MTTs.
Find what you're best at, and if you're playing strictly for money, then stick to those games.
STTs are supposed to be the most profitable game aswell as the fact that they have little risk and good reward. They're a ery consistent way of making money. My problem with them is that I often play too many of them, get kind of bored of them, and either start playing bad, or switch to say cash games and with my STT strategy still lingering in my head, I play a poor game and lose some money. Either that or I play an MTT with the same mindset, and hope to hit a big payspot.
If I had better discipline and patience, I personally would stick to STTs to make money.
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| Posted by: Marklar at August 14, 2006, 1:49 am | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Normally I do well in sngs and place in the money most of the time.
Because in the low stakes cash games you'll either raise it too much and just win 35 cents off the blinds ore raise it not enough and watch your Aces get cracked. :/. That's my situation usually. I try higher stakes as my bankroll grows from the SNG games.
I seem to do better at real casinos in cash games, I havent done a tournament or SNG at a casino yet, but this month the nearest one is holding SNGs every monday, so if I can get a monday off I will go try one out.
Just do what you can do best. Some players are excellent tournament players and cant do ring games that well, while some are the other way around. You do take a different approach to each one. Find what's best for you and stick with it. Improve on the other one when you get a chance.
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at August 14, 2006, 1:34 am | | Topic: Making money playing poker - Succesful players please!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Hello all!!!
I would be interested to know your thoughts on playing poker to win money.
What does he mean, u may think?
Well it goes like this...
I`ve been playing for about 8 months now and I find I do well in tournys (Buyins less than $20 in the main) and I do well in SNG`s, with the same kind of buyins.
For some reason, however, if I got to a cash table with $20 dollars ($0.25/0.50) I`m broke within a relativley short period of time.
Is this normal and going back to my origional question about making money, do u guys know of any poker players that make money out of the game and don`t play cash games?
I`d be interested in your comments and examples.
Cheers guys.
Ronaldadio
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