| Posted by: c9h13no3 at January 12, 2007, 1:02 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by cali420fornia
I get so peeeeeeved when i hear people heckling bad players. I guess you would be happy if there were no bad players. I guess you are not playing poker for the same reasons i am.
You're right, I don't. I don't play because of greed, I play to hone my playing abilities. I like the challange, and the competition. So I'm gonna erbally abuse every newbie I see .
Also, newbies never take anyone's advice. They just keep on playing stupid. In fact, I think giving them advice just makes them want to play worse
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| Posted by: cali420fornia at January 12, 2007, 12:44 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
I get so peeeeeeved when i hear people heckling bad players. I guess you would be happy if there were no bad players. I guess you are not playing poker for the same reasons i am. When i first started playing online i was amazed at how much free advise i was given on an hourly basis. I still get people online teling me "you know you were a 5-1 underdog" and i just make a mental note and go on to the next lesson. LMAO, thanks to guys like you now i win about 75% of s&g i enter and break even in cash ring games (im working on that)
People think poker players are degenerate gamblers but guys like smilin prove that you are caring, selfless educators.
Now that i know what im doing PLEASE CUT IT OUT.
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| Posted by: biggamer86 at June 29, 2005, 4:55 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
I think you played it fairly bad the 9 kicker is not ery good you couldve been playing against ace king, king queen, or 10 jack all ery popular hands or even an ace 10 had you beat i would honestly say you over bet that and should really play stronger hands there were so many possibilties to outdraw you. And for your second question was you betting low, no you were betting to high for that marginal hand in your situation with the blinds the way they are, you had enough chips to wait for a bigger hand or at least a good kicker or a 2 pair. The 9 kicker is pretty much bad as any kicker 2-8 as far as im concerned. As for myself I try to avoid even putting in 1/4 of my stack with the jack kicker people love to play ace king or ace queen and seems to be a fairly common hand in online play.
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| Posted by: Sammyv1 at June 29, 2005, 3:20 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
I think you got a bad beat there but I have to agree with four dogs on calling him stupid and lucky. But for a different reason. When people play this way and someone else rags on them and tells them how wrong they play its only giving them "ADVISE". They just might wise up. Hey, a good solid player is going to dominate a suck out punk in the long run. So let these people suck out and take our money sometimes and SHHHHH, quiet about it. Remember in the long run we'll take double or triple back from them!!!!
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| Posted by: JonSherwood at June 28, 2005, 6:04 pm | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Crippler450
I think you have the first % wrong. He had a much higher chance of catching 2 pair than 9/2704.
Are you sure? I'm talking about preflop. For instance, if preflop he saw the 3-4 in his hands and was like...Hmmm, I could really go for two pair right now, I think the chances of that would be 9/2704. I get that from taking the chance that a 3 would appear, 3/52, multiplied by the possibility of a 4 appearing, 3/52. 9/2704.
If you're talking about post flop, you are certainly right. Once his 3 has already come he has a 3/52 chance of hitting a 4.
Cheers!
Jon
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at June 28, 2005, 4:01 pm | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
You told him he was stupid? And Lucky? What's your problem? Was that your 1st bad beat? While both your assesments of his play were spot on, it definately wasn't worthy of drawing an unsoliceted comment from you. Try to take the high road next time.
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| Posted by: wudegod at June 28, 2005, 3:21 pm | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
there's a certain type of player tht plays his "favorite" hand no matter what. Those guys are hard to put on a hand. They bet big, because of superstition, or whatever, and seem to remember all the times they've hit with that hand, but forget all the times theyve lost on it also. Also, when someone says "i've never lost with this hand" you KNOW your playing a novice. Anyone who's played poker for any length of time has won/lost almost every combination of cards out there.
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| Posted by: Devilpoker78 at June 27, 2005, 6:06 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
U played it right as far as im concerned. I personally wont play A-9 much cause Ive seen many kickered out cause of it unless the position was right and it is suited. Assuming this u made the right calls with top pair. Theres no point investing too much in a top pair, and u cant really raise with it unless u have a big stack. If u get called by morons (u almost always do) and they get lucky, its just another bad beat, follow Bill's advice and take a deep breath and move on. Oh and dont talk about his bad play (you want him to continue playing like that cause you want his pot later on!) Just say nh and wait.
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| Posted by: cuyber at June 27, 2005, 2:01 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
The site and also the time of day can make a big diffirence.
example as posted elsewhere here somewhere(i dont keep track of my replies)
Any site that also has a sports book will usually have a lot of fish at certain times of the day, not because they like poker but because its a gamble to them and they are just feeding the addiction.
A site i play on regulary mon-friday from 5-8/9pm i cant go wrong unless a fish gets lucky and they often do, but a few hands later and all is well.This same site at all other times of the day the standard of play is average at the ery worse and weekends can become a tough place to play.
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| Posted by: MicheleW at June 27, 2005, 1:43 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
My question is - how many chips did your opponent have? If he had chips to burn and was probably waiting for the river just to see what he could catch knowing you were betting most of your chips. It was lucky on his part, not skill by any means. And if you watch Hanson for any length of time, yes he plays small cards but you don't see him throw away big hands LOL. He has just gotten his rep from playing smaller cards. I don't care for him really - although many women enjoy his looks. Personally, I don't. LOL
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| Posted by: wudegod at June 26, 2005, 11:53 pm | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
when your talkin chasers,, all conventional logic flies out the window. I'm sure you've ALL been there. Maybe after a few bad beats, maybe your sick and tired fo getting bet off your blind,, and being shown rags, sometimes you just make that conscious decision to follow up on a hand no matter what. As far as pot odds go.. i watched my freind take 4 all ins in a row, with everything from small PP to J3os. Some of these people just play like rabid dogs. Your right though, it doesnt last long, eventually that rabid dog strays into traffics, and YOURE in the express lane.
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| Posted by: takua at June 26, 2005, 4:54 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
The pot odds might have justified playing since he had like 5 outs. Most likely not, but it wasn't as tough a beat as you think. He at least had a pair. He was probably thinking you were bluffing and wanted to call you down. It's not that uncommon.
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| Posted by: diabloblanco at June 25, 2005, 12:12 pm | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
You're exactly right crippler, I was going to take time to point that out. Also, you were holding A9o, and the board before the river was AKQ. Now, not knowing what exactly his play was like before the hand started I can't say with certainty what I would have put him on, but you were oulnerable to several hands. Pocket Aces, Pocket Queens, Pocket Kings, J-10, etc. Lately everyone in their brother has become a "trapping" expert, which generally makes people that use the startegy too much, simply take what they call bad beats, when in all actuality they slow play their strong hands and allow a marginal drawing hand to hit. That is one thing that would have crossed my mind if I were you, possibly playing into this donkey's trap. However when he never came over the top of you on the turn, that would be all but out the window.
I can't say for sure what I would have put him on without knowing all the specifics of the hands such as suit of the board, suit of his hand, position, and style o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Crippler450 at June 25, 2005, 7:38 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by JonSherwood
He had a 9/2704 (.33%) chance of catching two pair on the board. He had a 1/26 (3.84%) chance of catching another 3 on the turn or river to give him trips, and he had a 3/52 (5.77%) chance of catching a 4 on the turn or river for two pair.
I think he was stupid to be calling that much too, unless you were known to be a bluffer. He may have thought you were trying to steal the pot or something, but still, with that many overcards I don't know what he was thinking. I think you played it right. I usually don't play anything below an A-J or A-10 though.
Jon
I think you have the first % wrong. He had a much higher chance of catching 2 pair than 9/2704.
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| Posted by: Bill_Hollorian at June 25, 2005, 5:38 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
1) You get sucked out on alot... because you have the best of it when your money goes in the middle! Therefor most of the time they are behind, so when they win, it almost requires that they bad beat ya.
2) You rarely get your money in the middle when you have the worst of it. Therefor, you rarely get to suck out on them! So revenge is never yours to have. Having the worst of it is required to suck out on someone.
3) Your destiny is to scream inside, tap the table and say nice hand !%^@^#, sir Well played. And then listen to how they knew they had ya the whole way. Oh, swallow and say yup you had me sir.
LOL
Bill
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| Posted by: Smilin at June 25, 2005, 5:28 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
I was A9 offsuit and he was 34 suited clubs. If I remember right only one club came on the flop and no help on the turn, so he had no flush poss and definately no str8. His outs were the 2 3's and the 3 4's. 5 cards.
As for me being a known bluffer. Not really, but it's possible. Bluffing is part of the game. I do bet at pots if I am last to act and everybody checked. I will also bet at a pot if I have a lower pair. But it depends on the hand and what's happened before me. I try not to get shown down with a bluff. I'd rather make them think I may have been on a draw or a lower pair. My strategy works well in sit and go's. The cards obviously play a factor, but I can tell you I get knocked out more frequently playing good cards than I do playing bad cards. I had a stretch of 3 SNG's last night that I was busted out on AA, AK and AQ. I somewhat prefer playing like 8-9, 9-10 (preferrably suited). I bust alot of people out playing what is considered marginal hands. It's alot easier to drop a margi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bill_Hollorian at June 25, 2005, 5:11 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
Pre-Flop as I figure it you are a 63%to 36%+EV allow adjustments for the fact that I have no idea if you or the other guy was suited.
The flop pushes you to an 80% to 20% +EV.
His betting may make me concerned about my 9 kicker.
This is my humble opinion, just throwing it out there. You were way plus EV all the way.If you believe your kicker is good I'd let him see the river as you did.
Bill
One other thing, his chip stack is important too. OK you had 4k.
If he's sitting on a mountain, he may be correct to try and knock you out. Although Im guessing he wasnt, because in order to knock you out he would of pushed you all in earlier.
Also, was it a limped pot preflop? Or did you raise pre flop?
Bill
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| Posted by: JonSherwood at June 25, 2005, 5:03 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
Yep, playing like that never profits. Sometimes a chaser will catch a hand and it'll cost you a lot because you don't expect to have been in with such a crappy hand, but it happens. More times than not though, a chaser (fish) will not be paid off for his actions.
Jon
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| Posted by: Smilin at June 25, 2005, 5:00 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
After I got knocked out on a bit of a bonehead play* in the next hand after the one above, I watched the person for a bit. He semed to be playing safe for a while. Then I saw him call an all in after the flop of 377. He had KQ. That took about 30% of his chips. Within about 5 hands he was out of the tourney. My guess......the odds caught up to him.
*the above mentioned bonehead play was calling a short stack's all-in with 35 suited. The flop turned 577 and I moved all-in myself. The 3rd person in the pot called. He had K7 offsuit. He won the hand with 4 7's, as another 7 flopped on the turn. My bad. The short stack had like AQ. Personally I might have folded the K7 offsuit on the raise before the flop.
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| Posted by: JonSherwood at June 25, 2005, 4:56 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
He had a 9/2704 (.33%) chance of catching two pair on the board. He had a 1/26 (3.84%) chance of catching another 3 on the turn or river to give him trips, and he had a 3/52 (5.77%) chance of catching a 4 on the turn or river for two pair.
I think he was stupid to be calling that much too, unless you were known to be a bluffer. He may have thought you were trying to steal the pot or something, but still, with that many overcards I don't know what he was thinking. I think you played it right. I usually don't play anything below an A-J or A-10 though.
Jon
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| Posted by: Smilin at June 25, 2005, 4:09 am | | Topic: Am I wrong or right? Forum: Card Chat |
I'm not a numbers guy, but if I'm holding A9 and the flop comes AK3 and I bet the pot...say 500 and I'm holding about 4k chips. The turn is Q and I bet over 500 again. Only one in the pot with me. He's just calling. The river comes 4. I bet 1300 and he calls.
First off, what would you put him on?
Secondly, am I right that this person was either stupid or seriously lucky? He was holding 34.
The BB was 150 at the time. Was I betting too low?
I told him he was either stupid or seriously lucky. His response was "Hansen's way!" I responded that he should keep doing that, he will lose more often than not. (Here's where the numbers comes in) Does anybody know what the odds would be? How often would he catch a hand calling away with bottom pair? He said I was wrong that he would lose more often than not.
Give me some feedback. I probably should have put him all in on the turn.
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