| Posted by: pink_floyd67 at February 28, 2007, 10:46 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Irexes
Well +rep for taking that in good spirit
We are not here to fight its all in good fun and when something is funny then I will laugh.
Bottom line we all have our opnion and i dont think i will change yours as you will not change mine.
As long as we can laugh about it at the end of the day over a beer and a few strippers
THEN ITS ALL GOOD
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| Posted by: pink_floyd67 at February 28, 2007, 10:06 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Irexes
Bernard Shaw said that we can't be sure the sun will rise tomorrow. He was right.
I disagreed with you for most of what you wrote, but then you started using capslock and I changed my mind.
lol
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| Posted by: Irexes at February 28, 2007, 9:58 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Bernard Shaw said that we can't be sure the sun will rise tomorrow. He was right.
I disagreed with you for most of what you wrote, but then you started using capslock and I changed my mind.
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| Posted by: pink_floyd67 at February 28, 2007, 9:48 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
To all the people here who keep insisting that online poker is not rigged or manipulated in some way i just want to know why are you so sure you are right?
Do you think that if the company is being "audited" it means anything?
the companies answers to NO ONE.
The companies do business in countries that money talks and bullshit walks.
Again i am not claiming that this is going on but u cant be sure it is 100% legit because there is NO BUSINESS that is run 100% legit anywhere in the world.
DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR GOV'T IS LEGIT?
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| Posted by: baystate123 at February 28, 2007, 7:54 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Ronaldadio
Without going into this too much, I can`t see a business reason for poker sites being rigged. I could understand ppl saying blackjack, etc are rigged - the house will gain - but not poker.
Anyway, my main point. I have only ever played a live once. I that game I got through to the last 20% of ppl. I was dealt KK. All folded to me. I had about 6 times bb left so after pretending I was unsure what to do I pushed all in. The other guy thought about it and called. He turned 1010. River 10 giving him trips - so I was 5/1 fa and he beat me. I just think it happens and you notice the bad beats more but u forget your own suck outs or when your hand holds up.
As far as tourneys and SNG's the sites make the buy-in entry fee and that's that. No money to be made there. But with ring games if they were able to set hands up and see them down to the river, hance making the pot and their rake larger. There certainly is a business reason there.
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| Posted by: Bombjack at February 28, 2007, 7:43 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
If online poker is rigged, do Full Tilt and Poker Stars have a specific team to do the rigging?
Overheard lines in the rigging office:
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"Ha ha, I don't like this guy's screen name. Let's give him bad beats for a week."
"Hmm, here's another random punter. Let's rig this Sit and Go in his favour. Muhahaha."
"I know Ace-Five suited only wins 30% of the time against Ace-King, but let's make it 40% just for giggles."
I got my poket Aces busted at a live tourney a few months ago by someone who pushed with A2 suited on the flop. He was less than 5% to win, but made it with runner runner spades. Still trying to work out how they did that, cos I'm pretty sure the deck was shuffled beforehand.
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at February 28, 2007, 7:22 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Madness, if u r a programmer and u think know poker sites are rigged here are two questions/ requests.
Work out in what way it`s rigged, e mail me, and we will split the profits. orPlay for a month, ensure u always go in pre flop with the worst hand (throw away premium hands.) and let us all know how u get on?GL
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| Posted by: dakota-xx at February 28, 2007, 11:49 am | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Madness_does
You see alot more hands online in an hour then you would ever see live....(this is a reason why you would see more bad beats online then live games)
Ok thats about what im buying for now, but ery skeptical still, not just from what I have seen, but from what other people are saying too, seems like some people think its rigged and some people say no way that it rigged, maybe it needs some looking into.
It has been looked into a million times and there is no evidence or proof that any of the sites have been stupid enough to risk their existance by cheating. Use your head for just a minute - if they ever got caught it would put them out of business and kill the industry. They are making loads of money. All of the sites are audited - they could not possibly get away with it. None of the reasons listed in this post or any other "rigged post" even begin to make sense or justify why they would take such a risk with absolutely... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Madness_does at February 28, 2007, 6:01 am | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
You see alot more hands online in an hour then you would ever see live....(this is a reason why you would see more bad beats online then live games)
Ok thats about what im buying for now, but ery skeptical still, not just from what I have seen, but from what other people are saying too, seems like some people think its rigged and some people say no way that it rigged, maybe it needs some looking into.
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| Posted by: mattisme at February 28, 2007, 3:48 am | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Madness_does
Thought I would like to bring something to all of your attention. Been playing poker for a little while and I have read the reports of online poker being rigged.
this is all i got up to...then giggled
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| Posted by: Madness_does at February 28, 2007, 2:54 am | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
wanted to thank everyone for the replies, I think pink has an excellent point, the more bets the more rake, got beat today by 4 of kind again lol I just laugh now, sry but the odds are not making any sense, another interesting point is that party poker has a fairness policy, its makes sense cause if all the good players were taking all the bad players money, well guess what, no one is going to want to play anymore or put any of thier money out, makes sense. Does not take a rocket scientist to figure something is ery wrong, here is another one is that is famous, JJ AA KK QQ, yep that happens all the time 4 pairs on the flop ery common with these poker sites, 4 of kind coming up all the time, BS, and I notice the more tighter you play it does not matter you will get rivered and saying well you having a bad beat, well a bad beat would be getting out flopped or making a dumb call and oops that does happen, but when your getting beat by the only one card in the deck that can beat you over and over and over, ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Shaugie at February 27, 2007, 9:31 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by spoutcast
i believe they are rigged for this reason. when you have KK someone has AA. when you have JJ someone has QQ. you dont see it ANYWHERE near as much on WSOP. and moreso, the amount of flush draws and straight draws that appear practically EVERY hand dont happen in real life either.
i saw that happen on WSOP
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| Posted by: pink_floyd67 at February 27, 2007, 9:18 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Madness__does I think that everything you said is correct.
For all the people who say "the sites have nothing to gain" well they do in 2 ways.
First the more hands and more bets the rake is bigger.
if people played 20% of their hands they would make alot less rake.
Second people keep saying that we play against other players so the house dosnt care who wins.
Anyone here ever heard of a company called google?
I think they are worth about 759 bazzillion dollars (on paper) BUT yet it came out a few years ago that they had people working for them doing bogus searches and running up the tab on companies advertising bills.
Imagin that a company who works under the rules and regulation of the federal govt and the SEC doing something wrong (enron anyone).
What i am trying to say is what is stopping the poker site having people play online for them knowing what cards are going to come up and taking peoples money and the rake. This companies are not regulated and if you t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Coryan at February 27, 2007, 8:30 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Okay, tell me it's not rigged. I am playing the ery first hand of a ery large tournament and I have a pair of tens. There is a bet ahead of me and I raise. He calls. The flop is A-A-T...I flopped the boat, baby! My opponent checks and I do too (don't want to scare him off). He checks the turn of a Q and I bet, he raises and I push allin!
HE WINS WITH ATo! I was 70% to win before the flop and I hit a FH on the flop! This can only happen at a RIGGED game online...
Oh, sorry, actually this was the first hand of WSOP main event and it was Sammy Farha with the ATo and Oliver Hudson (brother of Kate Hudson) with the TT. So I was wrong, it's LIVE poker that's rigged! Yeah, that's it...live poker.
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Okay, my real opinion is that there is no benefit to running a rigged site, but there are many disadvantages from doing so. Please, if you think poker is rigged, go bet on the horses and don't waste our time.
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| Posted by: Rabidus at February 27, 2007, 7:26 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
I in now way agree that online poker is rigged (at least the big sites).
However, I put $200 in to FT last weekend and have had an amazing amount of bad beats. Higher pairs losing to lower pairs almost every time. Late in tournaments, having my AK's taken out with QT's etc. It's been an amazing set of bad luck on FT.
However, that's all it is..luck. After 15 games on FT, I'm sure I'm due for the luck to turn and I know it will. Even with the bad luck, I'm still breaking even.
So..poker isn't rigged...it's just a tough game sometimes.
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| Posted by: quazar66 at February 27, 2007, 5:45 am | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Bad beats come in cycles you see alot of them and then you are unstoppable. Funny how we dont see anyone complaining about the time they could not lose. I think its funny that we only remember the bad and not the good. You can see this in life outside poker as well. I guess what Im trying to say is in the long run things will even out. That day you turned $100 into $1100 in two hours will be followed sometime by a shocking night where you cant win a thing. Just go with the flow. If you cant win tonight leave and come back when your play is not focused on your previous cards. This will cause you to lose more. Come back when your cool headed and can play well.
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| Posted by: Suited Frenzy at February 27, 2007, 5:05 am | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Welly said it correct, "its called poker". Cant do anything about peoples bad play...i mean u could but what u gonna do, shoot em dead @ the tbl w/ a gun that ur not even allowed to bring in in the 1st place lol. Those are some really bad beats but like Welly said, "poker is a fragile game in itself".
Look @ that site Kenny suggested :-/
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| Posted by: spoutcast at February 27, 2007, 12:31 am | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
i believe they are rigged for this reason. when you have KK someone has AA. when you have JJ someone has QQ. you dont see it ANYWHERE near as much on WSOP. and moreso, the amount of flush draws and straight draws that appear practically EVERY hand dont happen in real life either.
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| Posted by: shinedown.45 at February 26, 2007, 11:20 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
If you really think online poker is rigged then I suggest Quit playing online and stick with B&M poker, if you dont quit playing online then please quit whining about how online poker is rigged.
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| Posted by: Passion_play at February 26, 2007, 11:08 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
That Blog by Mike was hillarious...
I was joke obviously, he was mocking partypoker cuzz he plays at full tilt, his superb equipment he bought was able to place the cards where he wanted
LMAO
The sites are not rigged, we just see more cards delt in a shorter time frame.
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at February 26, 2007, 10:49 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Arn
You also have to consider that at a busy online poker room there are hundreds to thousands of hands being dealt at the same and that overall their hand statistics over time will be about correct.
Doyle Brunson states that the random software actually makes on line card distribution better than that of a casino (either his book on on line poker or it`s in Super Systems 2)
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| Posted by: Arn at February 26, 2007, 2:39 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
It's not in the interest of a poker room to rig games, in fact the fairer the games the better for them.
Since you are playing against other players and not the house, whether you win or lose the poker room only gets the rake or tournament fee that you have paid. Therefore it is actually in their interest to have the fairest possible software to keep players playing and coming back to the poker room.
You also have to consider that at a busy online poker room there are hundreds to thousands of hands being dealt at the same and that overall their hand statistics over time will be about correct.
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| Posted by: Welly at February 26, 2007, 2:29 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Madness_does
I have noticed, they all reward bad play and the hands just dont ever hold up.
It's called poker.
Poker itself is unfortunately a fragile game.
sick runner-runners etc happen a million times a day playing live as well. Either you have to find a new game other than poker, or you have to adapt.
Good Luck to you.
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at February 26, 2007, 2:24 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Xife
I went to a casino this one time.. I was dealt AK of hearts.. flop came 3h,ks,7h.. I pushed all in the other guy called with AQ of spades... I was 95% to win it.. Turn + river came spade spade. Therefore that one casino must be rigged
Obviously !!!
But seriously. Madness_does, we all know how frustrating it is. I don`t tke a run of bad beats ery well, but what I do is watch TV poker, (WSOP, Pokerstars, EPT, ect) and watch real poker stars get hit by bad beats - it happens to us all!!!
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| Posted by: Xife at February 26, 2007, 2:17 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
I went to a casino this one time.. I was dealt AK of hearts.. flop came 3h,ks,7h.. I pushed all in the other guy called with AQ of spades... I was 95% to win it.. Turn + river came spade spade. Therefore that one casino must be rigged
Lmao funny site kenny
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at February 26, 2007, 2:10 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Kennyseven
Here is more proof madness!Bill’s Poker Blog » Proof That Online Poker Is Rigged!
OK, I stand corrected. I don`t have the CIA software
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at February 26, 2007, 1:58 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Without going into this too much, I can`t see a business reason for poker sites being rigged. I could understand ppl saying blackjack, etc are rigged - the house will gain - but not poker.
Anyway, my main point. I have only ever played a live once. I that game I got through to the last 20% of ppl. I was dealt KK. All folded to me. I had about 6 times bb left so after pretending I was unsure what to do I pushed all in. The other guy thought about it and called. He turned 1010. River 10 giving him trips - so I was 5/1 fa and he beat me. I just think it happens and you notice the bad beats more but u forget your own suck outs or when your hand holds up.
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| Posted by: Madness_does at February 26, 2007, 1:26 pm | | Topic: Very pissed off wanted to see some views Forum: Card Chat |
Thought I would like to bring something to all of your attention. Been playing poker for a little while and I have read the reports of online poker being rigged, well Im a firm believer now, I really do think online poker is rigged, full tilt is rigged, poker stars is rigged, etc. had a semi pro been teaching me the game, I guess this is a difference between having a bad beat and just having someone steal your money, the odds just dont match up like they do in real life, take full tilt for instance, lost a hundred dollars, not mad about the money, but there is something ery wrong, was in a sit and go a couple of them, I get beat, this is about 5 games, get beat by 4 of a kind 3 times back to back, then I say ok what is wrong with this picture, so i try again I have a king of clubs and a rag, im head to head with this guy, so im watching the flop I hit the king high flush, were going at it and he goes all in, im thinking ok im going to call show me your ace of clubs, no guess what happens, an 8 of clubs ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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