| Posted by: Kennyseven at March 31, 2007, 9:10 am | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
I ended up losing to 77. I liked all the the input here and being that I am a gambler, I would have to disagree with shine on this situation......not that I would criticize your play....but in the long run I would be better off making this decision.....I also know that when I discussed this situation with him ....He seemed to get annoyed when I told him I would make that same move. Pressure.....
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| Posted by: shinedown.45 at March 31, 2007, 3:02 am | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
With such low pockets he ob has two overs in his hand and with the 3x BB bet by a solid player, I would put him on A-J, A-10, K-Q, K-J, K-10, suited connectors higher than 9 or a PP above 6/ below 10, so the best move in this situation is a call to see a flop.
pockets that low run the risk of being counterfeited too much to be worth anything more than a call into a 3xBB.
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| Posted by: ginNjuice at March 31, 2007, 2:47 am | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
I can't find enough wrong with it to say that it was a terrible play but personally I wouldn't do it. If you do this everytime you get 22 HU in a cash game the in the long run it's not a negative expectation, if you get called every time. I don't like it because most of the time it's going to be a pair that calls you making you a huge dog. If you call or make a raise to 9 BBs then you're giving yourself a chance to flop a set, and get away from the hand for less than your whole stack in the times you're sure you're beat after seeing a flop. Or even better taking the pot down right there. But that usually doesn't happen if you get raise in a HU match.
Phil Gordon has a math equation that tells you the odds of somebody having a bigger PP than you. Its in an article on ExpertInsight.com if you want to go check it out
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| Posted by: joeeagles at March 31, 2007, 12:46 am | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
Sorry scold, your calculation isn't correct. The less than 1% probability that both players will be dealt a pocket pair does not apply in this case. That would be the correct figure before the cards are dealt (probability of 2 events happening). Since Ken was already dealt 22, we need the probability of his opponent having a pocket pair (probability of 1 event happening after another has occured). It's kind of tricky, but if you think about it you'll understand it. The percentage is close to what I posted earlier. I agree with everything else you wrote.
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| Posted by: dj11 at March 30, 2007, 3:45 pm | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
HU, I always remember that the AVERAGE deal to either player will be 78o. I usually am agressive with anything that is better than that, and require connectables if less than that to call. A pair to start is heaven HU. Yes he may have you beat from the git go, or might outdraw you. Heads up a pair minimizes the luck factor.
I'm thinking he knows he is the better player, and for you to make such a move knowing he knows he is a better player (you should have drummed into his head the fact that you know he is the better player by now), he should lay it down without something ery serious.
If the two of your are just gambling, try coin flipping, so many more hands per hour...........
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| Posted by: skoldpadda at March 30, 2007, 2:46 pm | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
I think the odds of getting a pocket pair are about 1/17 hands (your first card is a random card and the probability of the second one being the same would be 3/51 or 1/17). So, the chances of both of you getting a pocket pair are actually 1/17 x 1/17 hands or much less than 1%. If you feel the other opponent is superior to you in skill then I think going all-in is ery reasonable here. Chris Ferguson didn't think A9 was a great hand in the 2000 WSOP in heads up, but he did think his opponent, TJ Cloutier was a better player and that he would need to make such a gamble at some point and thus it was "good enough".
(TJ had AQ and Jesus caught a 9 on the river, in case you didn't know)
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| Posted by: palmer2000e at March 30, 2007, 1:07 pm | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
I think thats a pretty reckless play... But its a little bit more of a judgment call on ur part, if hes been playing solid the whole time, then ur prolly beat or even money... If you push like that you have to think for sure that he will fold... I never like to push with dueces, because i always seem to hit sets with them after the flop, and it sneaks up on players. So i would say it was the wrong play, unless your at least 75% positive u got the best hand and he will lay it down...
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| Posted by: joeeagles at March 28, 2007, 8:24 pm | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
Lol, I'm not a ery good HU player Ken, my game can certainly use some help in that area and in all shorthanded situations as well, therefore you should certainly alue answers you get from other members as superior than mine, and I'll keep checking your post since I'm ery interested to know those answers in the hope to improve my game.
That said, I'm going to try to answer your question. Lets start with some math. The chances of your opponent having a bigger pocket pair than yours are 5.6%. Needless to add, in those situation you are a serious dog. It also means that in the other 94.4% you will be in race in which you are a slight favored (I believe a 53 to 47 favored, correct me anyone if I'm wrong). So, by going all-in, your expectation to win this hand is just a little better than 50%.
If my math is correct, the proper action if I'm involved in this hand is to raise all-in. That because you said that the opponent is a ery solid player, where instead in HU I'm not. Common wisdom says ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Kennyseven at March 28, 2007, 4:11 am | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
I recently played Heads up against a friend of mine. We each put up 25 dollars 1-2 dollar blinds.(we are doing this once everyday this week). We go at it for about a half hour in. My read on him is he is a ery solid player. We are about even now in stack size with him slightly ahead. I draw 22 and he is first to act. He 3X raises and I go all in. Is this the right move? Note....he is a ery solid player.
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at March 10, 2007, 2:20 pm | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
I tend to avoid the HU SNGs mainly because the rake kills them.
55-60%win should be your long-run aim, but of course even a 5% rake eats into your profit margins hugely.
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| Posted by: dan_ives at March 10, 2007, 1:40 pm | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
i think it ery so is if u play consistant at nt to high heads up stick 2 $5 and $10 then if ur seriously up a $20 all about being patient
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| Posted by: AceZWylD at March 10, 2007, 1:03 am | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
I am curious to find out everyones theory about playing heads up online, and whether you believe it to be a profitable proposition.
I have played in quite a few heads up matches in order to cushion my bankroll to either play in a SnG or MTT, and have been quite successful. I have considered playing in 100 consecutive heads up matches just to see what the ROI would be.
Does anyone know the average rate of success in heads up play, or has anyone tried anything similar to see determine likely results?
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| Posted by: Styrofoam at August 12, 2006, 8:41 pm | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
when you're on the button....raise
I tend to call any min-raise that anyone makes with almost any 2 cards...72, 83, and 94 excluded.
Never slow play a non-made hand. ESPECIALLY AK. Raise big preflop and punish him.
If you flop the nut straight and no flush draw is present, slow play it occasionally. For example If you have 6d8c and the flop comes 7d9h5s. Check. A good player will bluff at the pot (or if your lucky he has A9). Just call his bet - and bet out big regardless of the card on the turn. You'll get a lot more money from him this way
be AGGRESSIVE. If someone shows weakness, BET
Remember that middle / bottom pair are decent hands on some flops. TPTK is a GREAT hand. Trips will rarely lose heads up.
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| Posted by: twizzybop at August 12, 2006, 7:51 pm | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
Bet stronger with bigger hands, this way if you do lose you at least lost with best hand going in.. if you have K,Q raise more then you normally would.. If you have 6,4 in the Sb raise anyway.. you have to be the agressor not the agressee.
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| Posted by: juiceeQ at August 12, 2006, 7:46 pm | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
In heads-up play, you have to re-adjust your game plan. You've got to loosen up your starting hands and become much more aggressive. In my opinion, the idea of top ten starting hands goes out the window.
With only two of you, bluffing at the pot also comes into play more. Chances are that the flop has completely missed you both, so why not take a stab at it. Heads-up is definitely a case of play the player and not your cards. Use your betting as a weapon. You cannot be weak/passive heads-up and expect to win. Aggression is the key.
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at August 12, 2006, 5:54 pm | | Topic: Heads Up Forum: Card Chat |
Hi Guys.
I`m doing ok playing SNG`s, but I find I`m falling short when I get heads up after seeing off the rest of the table, at least I think I am.
Over the past 2 weeks I`ve played 20 SNG`s, all $10-20 buyins. 6 of them have been 2 table SNG`s with 18 players.
I have staked $352 dollars (including house fee of about 10%) and I have won $429. A profit of $77 - not big money I know
I`ve placed in 6 of them, and have been 1st 2 times, 2nd 4 times - have hit a third, but the specific tourny did not pay 3rd.
Tell me if I`m just getting paranoid, but I feel my heads up play could do with improving.
I find that lots of ppl go all in on a regular basis heads up and when I call with say KQ they have an A and get me, or worse still, after the flop they go all in, I miss the flop with say AK that I decided to slow play, and they show 64 which has hit 2 pair or something - my own fault for not raising pre flop ???
I got to thinking that because the ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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