| Posted by: hustlenflow at March 13, 2007, 9:15 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
Well i dont know about anyone else but i always have that kind of luck in limit holdem. People know that they are not going to lose as much if they keep fishing. Plus they play a wider range of hands, maybe try no limit holdem. Worked for me.
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| Posted by: 12skin at March 13, 2007, 6:56 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
I have a hard time with getting emotional. I am going to try the pot odds theory and see if I can break even or better yet make money. I have been doing a quasi ersion of it where I make money in small increments but I seem to lose it ery quickly. Last night i lost 10 bucks (I play 5cent/10cent) to guys who just kept getting better cards than me. I had good cards too. Its hard to not get angry when that happens.
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| Posted by: Welly at March 12, 2007, 8:03 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
There may, or may not, be things wrong with your game. But that isnt the main problem. The main problem is your expectation.
Rather than worrying about individual hands losing you should have a broader iewpoint.
eg 'I am going to play 1000 hands in x time and I hope to make a profit of 15BB' (so, at the tables you are playing at, this would translate to $30 profit in something like 17 hours of play)
Now 17 hours is a long time to most, especially if you work, so you play a few marginals, you draw a little too weak occassionally, etc etc. This, when combined with the badbeats (which you cant prevent) will lead to losses.
The question you need to ask yourself is do you enjoy poker enough to sit there for that length of time for that return? Currently your answer is 'no'. You shouldnt play any more cash tables until you can say 'yes'
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| Posted by: stealthy1 at March 12, 2007, 7:26 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
I would take a break for a few days or weeks and see if the love for poker comes back.
I see you're not happy about getting "muffed", it sounds quite nice to me!
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| Posted by: aliengenius at March 12, 2007, 7:21 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
First, try having 12x the big bet in front of you at all times when playing limit (I wont go too far into the reason, but that's enough to see it capped on all streets for one hand).
Second, do you have PokerTracker? There is absolutely no reason not to spend $55 bucks on it, it will pay you back, trust me. You will be able to see if you are playing too many hands, and if you are playing them too passively for starters.
Third, take a bit of a look at your game a bit. Why did you open raise w Q9s, but limp in with KTo? Do you even need to play either of those (dominated) hands at all? Why are you drawing to a one card straight when there is a flush tainting your outs? I don't want to really argue too much about the actual play of the hands, but I suspect your game needs more work than you might want to admit. TAG is the way to be in limit, but I suspect you are less TAG than you care to admit (PT will give you this in black and white).
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at March 12, 2007, 6:38 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by gord962
If you look at that one hand where AA does lose to 2-7 and say "that if this can happen, I am going to quit", then hold'em definitely isn't your game. Try playing some tiddlywinks.
fyp
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| Posted by: gord962 at March 12, 2007, 6:35 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
To add to what TB said, I could lose (and have lost) 4 buy ins in an hour to bad beats and horrible suck out plays. What does that tell me?? I got my money in while ahead and you can't win them all. Would you be complaining about these guys if they didn't hit? No. The fact is that they still have a % to win each hand (regardless if it is 27os s AA) which means that every now and then AA will lose. As for me, I'll put my money in every time against someones gutshot ot TPTK. Will I always win? No, but I will win more than I lose in the long run.
If you look at that one hand where AA does lose to 2-7 and say "that if this can happen, I am going to quit", then hold'em definitely isn't your game. Try playing some 5 card draw.
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| Posted by: dj11 at March 12, 2007, 6:31 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
I probably could have been a pro. Bridge player that is. Bridge is really the ultimate controllable card game. However, it requires 2 to get good at it, it is a team game.
I would also suggest changing games. If poker in total is bumming you out, try bridge. If only holdem is making you sad, try HORSE. That way only about 1/4 of the games will bum you out. What? not 1/5? no. More holdem hands per round than omaha or razz, or either of the studs.
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| Posted by: bubbasbestbabe at March 12, 2007, 6:12 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
You need to switch games for a while. Forget the holdem. Go to omaha and play that for a while. It clears the mind and believe it or not makes you a better hold em player. Just make sure you know the rules. You get a lot of chasers there that don't pan out.
The other thing you need to do is find your game. It looks like limit isn't it for you. It took me a while to find it but 6 handed turbo no limit is where I rape them. I have a knack for playing it and do ery well at it. Try different games and amounts to find out where you are suited to play. We all can't be ring game monsters.
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| Posted by: Irexes at March 12, 2007, 6:06 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
Got to enjoy it matey otherwise it's not worth the effort.
I think you are looking to play the "right" way a bit too much from this and other posts you've made.
Perhaps you are also taking advice too literally. When people say looser or tighter they usually mean "on average" rather than all the time. Poker is a game of many ariables and they change every hand. Although there are sometimes moves that are right and wrong for any given hand, often it's a question of degree. When it comes to deciding the right and wrong thing over a session or a week or a month it becomes ery complex and searching for the right move all the time is going to drive you nuts.
And of course you can play perfect poker and lose over quite a long while. It's not luck because in the long run you will win. The long run though is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy loooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnngggggg.
If this isn't just a form of tilt though and you are real... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: smd173 at March 12, 2007, 4:55 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
So you are going to quit poker because you lost a $13 pot and $23 pot on the river playing $1/$2 LIMIT?
Losing those pots shouldn't put you over the edge, but having been at the edge myself, I can kinda understand where you are coming from. Heck, last fall I came on here and was ready to quit after I reraised all in for $150 playing $1/$2 NL at the Taj and got called by someone who had hit the flop and rivered 2 pair on me.
But I took a short break, got back on the horse, and I've had my ups and downs since then. I was up for the year until Saturday, when playing $1/$2 NL in AC, I got it in with 2 pair on the turn and got counterfeited on the river.
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| Posted by: tenbob at March 12, 2007, 4:39 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
Wow, intersesting post, and i think if you really feel like that then certainly poker is not the game for you. At this stage in my poker career i can lose a full buy-in at $100 NL and not even flinch, not in the slightest. Ive been though some unreal downswings and some savage upswings as well, but now when i sit down at a table i see this session as a contuination of the last, even if i loose a few big ones because of someone elses bad play, ill still be looking for the bad players to make that bad pre-flop call, or mis-timed turn bluff with a gutshot.
Poker is a game that is fluid, its always changing, the dynamics of the game are constantly evolving, every session will be different, there is no 100% correct way to play, and as such learning and mastering the game takes a lifetime. Enjoy your journey, and just put a little consideration in dropping holdem, there is always some juicy o8 tables out there you know
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at March 12, 2007, 4:38 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
this is the last 2 hands I played...without gaps
PokerStars Game #8865984992: Hold'em Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/03/12 - 12:34:35 (ET) Table 'Vala III' 10-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: skyworldln ($102.50 in chips) Seat 2: ronaldadio ($6 in chips) Seat 3: 4708romain ($51 in chips) Seat 4: jasonodo ($48.75 in chips) Seat 5: Gina1988 ($46.50 in chips) Seat 6: miracle card ($16 in chips) Seat 7: O'DoyleRules ($49 in chips) Seat 8: Zoren Elvaan ($16.50 in chips) Seat 9: Thulsadoon ($40 in chips) Seat 10: Henry17 ($21.75 in chips) Zoren Elvaan: posts small blind $0.50
Thulsadoon: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ronaldadio [9h Qh]
Henry17: folds
skyworldln: folds
ronaldadio: raises $1 to $2
4708romain: folds
jasonodo: folds
Gina1988: folds
miracle card: folds
O'DoyleRules: folds
ronaldadio said, "says it all???"
Zoren Elvaan: calls $1.50
Thulsadoon: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 7s Td]
Zoren Elvaan: checks
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| Posted by: beardyian at March 12, 2007, 4:34 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
Sorry to hear your thinking of stopping playing - but then, i often say number 1 rule should be 'enjoy it' and it doesn't sound like you are
Perhaps a little break or try playing different styles.
Hope you stay or resume your game, even if you dont good luck whatever you choose.
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| Posted by: edge-t at March 12, 2007, 4:25 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
It's probably useless to quote: " Poker is one long session." Maybe it's good to take a break. I've not played for a long time, so I can't really say if I'll end up as jaded.
This month has been a real bad month for me too... Until I read something on Ed Miller's blog. I was feeling really frustrated over my results, I'm just getting beats on every single table.
Here's something from his blog I'd like to share:
Quote:
One poster claims that it is impossible to play against “schooling fish” (my term, not his). He gives an example where pocket kings will lose to 6 callers 74% of the time, therefore it’s impossible to beat the “fish”.Then a poster named “kosh”, who incidentally claims in another post to have never played a hand of poker in his life, points out that even though you only win 1 in 4 hands, you get a 6 to 1 payoff with 6 callers.
So it seems to me that kosh is right, and the “real” players are wrong. Not only that, one of the poste... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Ronaldadio at March 12, 2007, 4:21 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pokerrqueenn
just take a break for a bit
I am - for the rest of my life
Its the game, general. It seem whatever hand I get I am beaten. Hand I`ve just finished. AQ on button. Flop 10,4,Q rainbow. I bet it out in limit. Other guys turns KK. 5 hands previous, I am delt KK. Bet it out, no ace. Guy turns trip 7`s on river. And on it goes.
It`s now too late as I have withdraw all of my money out of my poker accounts - nothing left to loose!!!
Cya all
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at March 12, 2007, 4:19 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pokerrqueenn
we would surely miss you here. everyone has different opinons and you are certainly entitled to yours. just because your opinons differ don't leave . it is this difference in us all that make for a great forum. the open discussions on arious thoughts and opinons
It`s not the forum thats the problem, it`s poker!!!
I have come to the conclusion I just can`t get my head around it!!!
Ppl say that skill wins in the long run. I`m sure that is the case, but when u get your top hand, play it perfectly and u r muffed it always seems to be at the major time in a tourny. Then u get AA on the BB and the whole table folds around to u when the previous hand some muppet was chasing a runner runner flush draw with 59h it makes u wonder.
I also find the more I find out the worse I have become. I`ll now sit with JJ mid way through a tourny, get rereraised and put my hand down to find I was ahead - when I first started I would h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: pokerrqueenn at March 12, 2007, 3:54 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
we would surely miss you here. everyone has different opinons and you are certainly entitled to yours. just because your opinons differ don't leave . it is this difference in us all that make for a great forum. the open discussions on arious thoughts and opinons
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| Posted by: Ronaldadio at March 12, 2007, 3:29 pm | | Topic: TAG is not the way to be in holdem Forum: Card Chat |
Hi all, for what could be my final post
I`ve been playing poker for over a year now and have recently become more and more frustrated with ppl saying what u should or what u should not do playing poker.
A few things have come to mind over time.
One is "If u play at a tight table, loosen up, at a loose table, tighten up"
This statement does seem to contradict itself. Say u r at a table where there are 4 loose players. U should tighten up? Now, say 3 of the 4 tighten up, leaving one to keep playing loose. The loose player is now in the position we are told u should be - at a tight table play loose.
Another big problem you have - it is impossible to beat someone who does not care if they win or lose. By the time u get a half decent hand to take them on with they have either got so many chips u do not stop them or they muff u out.
Another is "it does not matter what stakes u play, u still get muffed out" Then in their next breath, u ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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