| Posted by: Gonzo787 at August 9, 2007, 2:26 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | andrew26 wrote: Gonzo787 wrote: andrew26 wrote: I use Roboform to keep track of all my PWs, and it also has a neat generator that can create such great PWs as:
LGqjf9EwkS6IuYd
That's pretty hard to guess.
Now I just need to guess which account this is tied to then all your monies will belong to us.
Dude, you should know that all my PWs are, and have always been
gonzoisanit
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| Posted by: andrew26 at August 9, 2007, 12:47 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Gonzo787 wrote: andrew26 wrote: I use Roboform to keep track of all my PWs, and it also has a neat generator that can create such great PWs as:
LGqjf9EwkS6IuYd
That's pretty hard to guess.
Now I just need to guess which account this is tied to then all your monies will belong to us.
Dude, you should know that all my PWs are, and have always been
gonzoisanit
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| Posted by: Gonzo787 at August 9, 2007, 11:15 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | andrew26 wrote: I use Roboform to keep track of all my PWs, and it also has a neat generator that can create such great PWs as:
LGqjf9EwkS6IuYd
That's pretty hard to guess.
Now I just need to guess which account this is tied to then all your monies will belong to us.
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| Posted by: andrew26 at August 9, 2007, 10:45 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | I use Roboform to keep track of all my PWs, and it also has a neat generator that can create such great PWs as:
LGqjf9EwkS6IuYd
That's pretty hard to guess.
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| Posted by: --Iarwain-- at August 6, 2007, 9:56 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | | Yeah, havn't seen that one before but it looks good and get good reviews. But, personally, I don't really trust security programs that is not open source. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: --Iarwain-- at August 6, 2007, 7:11 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | I can recommend this, http://keepass.info/, software to keep track of your passwords.
All passwords are kept in an encrypted database. When you need to type it your just double-click and paste. The passwords are kept in the clipps for 10 seconds before being erased. Problem with copy pasting from a document is that it is not encrypted and the passwrod stays in the clip organizer until you shut down your computer.
If now only Cryptologic would make copy pasting passwords work I would be all happy.
About the ADSL thingy. As all transactions to and from NETeller is encrypted, should be at least, I don't think they got the password that way. There are several ways of getting them without having to use keyloggers and listening on the ADSL and decrypt tcp/ip-transactions must be one of the hardest. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: daraider at June 29, 2007, 10:07 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | so poker.com paid for it, not neteller in the end?
Glad you got your money back, that is at least a good thing to come out of this in the end. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at June 29, 2007, 8:47 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Update:
I recieved my money back from neteller on June 21.
There was huge hold ups because poker.com refused to send all the money to neteller. Eventually they sent two bank wires to neteller to reimburse me. Horrible CS at poker.com i only ever recieved 1 reply to my approx 10 emails.
Glad its all over.
Mitch | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ewox at May 18, 2007, 4:20 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | moo321 wrote: You probably have a keystroke logger on your computer. Thats how most people's accounts have gotten hacked. Did you recently install any "odds calculator" or anything like that?
Actually, I think the most common way a neteller/poker site account gets hacked in to is simply finding out the answer to the security question of an email account. You gotta be very careful when you set the "security question" to your email address. A lot of people have very simple and easy to guess answers to their security questions. Some questions have the kinda answer that can be found out with google if you know the persons name. It's not impossible to find out someones mother's maiden name or stuff like that. After getting access to your email, it's easy to find out all the login/password info to your neteller account poker sites.
There was a guy in a Finnish poker forum who had been caught doing just this. This guy was what they call a joyrider. He was addicted t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: daraider at May 16, 2007, 3:47 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Gonzo787 wrote: Mitch wrote: Just recieved word from neteller that they will be reimbursing me as they found that the actions were not taken on my behalf.
Quote: The Terms of Use accepted at the time of sign up outline that NETELLER cannot take responsibility for such losses, however we have chosen to reinstate the account to it's previous balance as a gesture of good will.
Very nice. Now how about a gesture of good will to all the Americans with money still stuck in their accounts.
Don't blame Neteller. Blame the USA. They are the people who have frozen your money. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at May 16, 2007, 8:27 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Mitch wrote: Just recieved word from neteller that they will be reimbursing me as they found that the actions were not taken on my behalf.
Quote: The Terms of Use accepted at the time of sign up outline that NETELLER cannot take responsibility for such losses, however we have chosen to reinstate the account to it's previous balance as a gesture of good will.
Very nice. Now how about a gesture of good will to all the Americans with money still stuck in their accounts. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at May 14, 2007, 4:10 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Just recieved word from neteller that they will be reimbursing me as they found that the actions were not taken on my behalf.
Quote: The Terms of Use accepted at the time of sign up outline that NETELLER cannot take responsibility for such losses, however we have chosen to reinstate the account to it's previous balance as a gesture of good will.
Neteller CS has been great throughout this whole process and acted quickly on all fronts.
I cant say the same for poker.com(carbon) who have been pathetic in passing the buck on to neteller and basically stating that they harbour fraudsters!
I am an Aussie so i cant play at carbon but i will we warning everyone i know outside of Australia that they can't be trusted.
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| Posted by: Mitch at May 13, 2007, 11:54 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | daraider wrote: ellenatpdcaffiliates wrote: Hi,
Carbon Poker does not accept Australian customers and is in no way responsible for any account fraud via the NETeller payment system. As "hackers" may have tried to use several poker rooms as a means to defraud NETeller accounts, it is still NETeller that is ultimately responsible for these claims. While we are certainly concerned about and are actively looking to stop any fraud in our poker room your first course of action, if you were affected by this scam, should be to contact NETeller.
Ellen
You have to remember his neteller account was australian, and the money was transfered into a poker.com account, how is that possible? He is not the only one, if you check the other threads.
Nobody is saying poker.com is stealing money, just the fraudster is using that as a means to move the money.
Exactly!!!
i never accusued poker.com of taking the money but you certainly are... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: daraider at May 13, 2007, 11:05 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | ellenatpdcaffiliates wrote: Hi,
Carbon Poker does not accept Australian customers and is in no way responsible for any account fraud via the NETeller payment system. As "hackers" may have tried to use several poker rooms as a means to defraud NETeller accounts, it is still NETeller that is ultimately responsible for these claims. While we are certainly concerned about and are actively looking to stop any fraud in our poker room your first course of action, if you were affected by this scam, should be to contact NETeller.
Ellen
You have to remember his neteller account was australian, and the money was transfered into a poker.com account, how is that possible? He is not the only one, if you check the other threads.
Nobody is saying poker.com is stealing money, just the fraudster is using that as a means to move the money. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ellenatpdcaffiliates at May 13, 2007, 10:30 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Hi,
Carbon Poker does not accept Australian customers and is in no way responsible for any account fraud via the NETeller payment system. As "hackers" may have tried to use several poker rooms as a means to defraud NETeller accounts, it is still NETeller that is ultimately responsible for these claims. While we are certainly concerned about and are actively looking to stop any fraud in our poker room your first course of action, if you were affected by this scam, should be to contact NETeller.
Ellen | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BCsparky at May 13, 2007, 10:52 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Is there an online casino that a lot of Aussies have used neteller on?
The villian just needs your acc# and security code to do a transfer.
And a site you previously played on would have that info.
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| Posted by: Mitch at May 13, 2007, 1:01 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | daraider wrote: http://www.pokernetwork.com/Nnoticeboard_reply.cfm?Summary_ID=12332
seems to be quite a few. People seem to be getting their money back.
I read this thread just b4 u posted! lol.
The guy who got his money back hasn't got the part that was transfered to poker.com back yet.
Any Aussies should get their money out of neteller NOW!!! Put your money in full tilt or something.
Only aussies for sum reason?
Mitch | | Static Link |
| Posted by: daraider at May 12, 2007, 11:55 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | http://www.pokernetwork.com/Nnoticeboard_reply.cfm?Summary_ID=12332
seems to be quite a few. People seem to be getting their money back. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: krummpoker at May 11, 2007, 1:38 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Foolishtiger wrote: The whole thing is very unnerving, I'm still bewildered as to how the they managed to get all of my personal details. I don't trust Neteller with my money anymore and would stick to keeping it in trusted Poker accounts.
Also, when did the fraud happen to you Mitch? My money was stolen about an hour after I made a deposit with Neteller to PokerRoom LA (prima).
If they are able to hack into your neteller account then they are able to obtain your personal information from that, even if they weren't able to obtain your personal information from that there are various other sources that would allow them to access that information.
PS. dude that sucks if ur neteller funds are frozen in US accounts, I am so lucky I only play during the summer or I woulda been a mess. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at May 10, 2007, 10:36 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Foolishtiger wrote: Well I don't know the exact rules of Neteller's fraud policy, but here's what I was trying to say...
If you already have an account with Poker.com, a duplicate account should be (in theory) invalid, as I'm pretty sure Poker.com does not allow multiple accounts (as do all Poker sites).
Changing a few digits doesnt really make a difference. You will still have the same name, street name, postcode etc.
If the account the funds went to is invalid, then the deposit should be invalid as well.
It might not work like that though, and it might not even matter because the funds may have easily gone to an account in somebody elses name.
Either way, if they tell you they are unable to compensate the funds, keep bugging them. It seems like you've got stronger grounds than me and I managed to get my cash back.
They did only owe you $300 though and it still took you 1-2months of emails. I am gunna need my money in about a month so i really h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Foolishtiger at May 10, 2007, 9:07 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Well I don't know the exact rules of Neteller's fraud policy, but here's what I was trying to say...
If you already have an account with Poker.com, a duplicate account should be (in theory) invalid, as I'm pretty sure Poker.com does not allow multiple accounts (as do all Poker sites).
Changing a few digits doesnt really make a difference. You will still have the same name, street name, postcode etc.
If the account the funds went to is invalid, then the deposit should be invalid as well.
It might not work like that though, and it might not even matter because the funds may have easily gone to an account in somebody elses name.
Either way, if they tell you they are unable to compensate the funds, keep bugging them. It seems like you've got stronger grounds than me and I managed to get my cash back. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at May 10, 2007, 7:53 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: if they change a letter or 2 then they are not longer using your exact account details and neteller is liable?
That is what i took out of this statement:
Quote: You'll be fine if the Poker.com account it went to wasnt in your name. If you already have an accoutn there prior to the fraud happening then you should get your money back easy.
But your guess is as good as mine. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: daraider at May 10, 2007, 7:18 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Mitch wrote: I hadnt used my neteller account in 6days and then i got an email saying $3600 was gone.
I do have an account there with all my details on it. But it has never been funded as they didnt allow Aussies to fund there accounts for sum reason.
So it should be impossible for the person to have used my exact details, thats not to say that they cant just chenge a letter or 2 somewhere.
Mitch
if they change a letter or 2 then they are not longer using your exact account details and neteller is liable? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at May 10, 2007, 7:06 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | I hadnt used my neteller account in 6days and then i got an email saying $3600 was gone.
I do have an account there with all my details on it. But it has never been funded as they didnt allow Aussies to fund there accounts for sum reason.
So it should be impossible for the person to have used my exact details, thats not to say that they cant just chenge a letter or 2 somewhere.
Mitch | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Foolishtiger at May 10, 2007, 6:16 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Guess what.... I'm from from Australia too! There's obviously some scumbag doing some sort of scam here.
You can look up the Ip address on www.whatismyipaddress.com (there is a page called ip lookup on there somewhere). My fraudster was in Brisbane.
You'll be fine if the Poker.com account it went to wasnt in your name. If you already have an accoutn there prior to the fraud happening then you should get your money back easy.
In my case the guy set up an account with my name and personal details. Which Neteller claimed made me liable for the transaction. Although I did eventually get the money back.
The whole thing is very unnerving, I'm still bewildered as to how the they managed to get all of my personal details. I don't trust Neteller with my money anymore and would stick to keeping it in trusted Poker accounts.
Also, when did the fraud happen to you Mitch? My money was stolen about an hour after I made a deposit with Neteller to PokerRoom LA (prima). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Poo_Poo at May 10, 2007, 10:29 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | EA2USN wrote: Poo_Poo wrote: EA2USN wrote: if there are any hackerS out there that can steal the 4300 in my account I will let you keep 50%
why ? Are your funds frozen or something ?
YES, my funds are frozen as are all US players who had funds in NETELLER when the the US passed the port securities bill
oh . i wasnt aware of that ! If you move to a non US country neteller would free the funds again ? Are you able to do a peer to peer transaction ? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: EA2USN at May 10, 2007, 4:05 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Poo_Poo wrote: EA2USN wrote: if there are any hackerS out there that can steal the 4300 in my account I will let you keep 50%
why ? Are your funds frozen or something ?
YES, my funds are frozen as are all US players who had funds in NETELLER when the the US passed the port securities bill
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| Posted by: Mitch at May 10, 2007, 1:51 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Just got this reply from poker.com CS after 4emails:
"Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting us.
Our fraud department is looking into the matter at the moment, and we will get back to you with an update the moment we receive more information.
Please feel free to contact us if you have any additional questions.
Sincerely,
CS Donovan Customer Service Representative"
At least they are looking into it but i dont know if it has happened quick enough to stop the money being withdrawn.
Mitch | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at May 10, 2007, 1:13 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Thanks Gonzo!
Wow this is very similar! and he is from Australia too. Happened they day after mine. This has got to be the same person doing this.
On the plus side if it has happened to a number of people it should be more likely that neteller should repay me as it appears that it isn't my issue as others have had the same happen to them.
Thanks for the heads up.
Mitch | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at May 9, 2007, 10:59 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Mitch,
Similiar story: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=10312471&an=0&page=0#Post10312471
Hope this gets resolved for you. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: daraider at May 9, 2007, 6:44 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Mitch wrote: Wow this does not sound good!
poker.com isnt responding to me after multiple emails and i am now worried that they could have used my details and the same thing may happen to me.
How do u check where they are once neteller give you the IP address?
Mitch
Try contacting them via carbon poker?
If that doesn't work send them and email about how to deposit, then when they reply, send them back an email saying someone falsely deposited.
Also try check your junk mail box? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at May 9, 2007, 6:21 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Wow this does not sound good!
poker.com isnt responding to me after multiple emails and i am now worried that they could have used my details and the same thing may happen to me.
How do u check where they are once neteller give you the IP address?
Mitch | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Foolishtiger at May 9, 2007, 5:37 pm | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | This just happened to me, although on a much smaller scale.
$300 was stolen from my neteller (which was all I had in there) and transferred to a online casino.
They took about a week to investigate, and told me I would not be compensated as the account it was transferred to was in my name with matching personal details. This meant I was 'liable' for the transaction.
Obviously I argued and argued. The fact that the online casino was dodgy as f*ck and wouldnt respond to any emails or pick their phone up wasn't too pleasing. I demanded Neteller give me access to the account, and that I would report them to their governing body. They eventually gave me the money back, this is after around 1-2 months of email hassling.
Sorry if this doesn't sound promising, I recon you should get it back. Hopefully Poker-dot-com will be more cooperative.
I also don't think it is caused by kelogger programs. I am pretty tech savy and now all the processes running on my machine.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Poo_Poo at May 9, 2007, 10:39 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | EA2USN wrote: if there are any hackerS out there that can steal the 4300 in my account I will let you keep 50%
why ? Are your funds frozen or something ? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Pokerdogg at May 9, 2007, 8:16 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Grinder wrote: Heck - I wish somebody would steal $4000 from my account and give some back to me! Then I would have SOMETHING!!
Frigging US Gov!
Good to have you back Grinder. Nice new house by the way, congrats! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Wheels6355 at May 9, 2007, 8:05 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | Grinder wrote: Heck - I wish somebody would steal $4000 from my account and give some back to me! Then I would have SOMETHING!!
Frigging US Gov!
Welcome back Grinder.
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| Posted by: EA2USN at May 9, 2007, 8:00 am | | Topic: Neteller Money Stolen! Forum: Bonus Whores | if there are any hackerS out there that can steal the 4300 in my account I will let you keep 50%
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