| Posted by: Four Dogs at April 22, 2007, 1:57 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
This is the kind of thing that sets people off. This happens at Full Tilt Poker too. These are not real cards. It's animation. Do you really think it takes 3 seconds for a computer to deal out the cards? Your cards and the cards of everyone at the table are selected instantaniously and before they land infront of you. The cards flying around the table and landing in your lap is just a cartoon. However, I'm sure that being able to see them before the deal is done is an unintended glitch. If you can figure out how to make use of it let us know.
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at April 22, 2007, 1:57 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Irexes
This is a missapplication of probability.
If you had sat down before any of this and written down those rules and then proceeded to get 14 results in a row then you might have something.
However you have observed something and then built a set of rules to fit your observations.
From the rules I can assume that the short stack has gone in with the best of it and lost and that on subsequent all ins the rules don't hold up.
From your posts you have added these refinements as you've observed them. Originally it was that the short stack always wins when behind.
I'm not going to get involved in this discussion for several reasons, primarily because poker conspiracy theories are, without contest, absolutely the dumbest topics we allow on here. My only point for posting here is to simply acknowledge Rex's post. Excellent post Rex.
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| Posted by: chefantwon at April 22, 2007, 1:47 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
If your playing at full tilt then you forgot that the random number generator is a bit screwie. It goes in patterns from a high flop to a low one. If you can catch it and have the corresponding cards, then you can beat it. Also FT tends to pay off straights if your on a draw. Provided if you have the correct cards to play. (low cards/low flop, high cards/high flop)
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| Posted by: mischman at April 22, 2007, 1:44 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
I thought cards are always being shuffled in online poker? Tell me how at the play money tables if can tell me my hand before i get dealt any cards(SS shows 2 cards but my finger is slow)!!!
RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!! RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!! RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!
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| Posted by: mischman at April 22, 2007, 1:41 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
yeah, the sites being rigged is obviously the most logical explanation for this...
im glad you think that chris, i thought for sure you would just blame it on all the american players being donks
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| Posted by: Irexes at April 22, 2007, 1:41 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by robwhufc
Thanks for your input Mischman, but the parameters of the pattern i discovered are quite precise.
1) Has to be a H2H game
2) Has to be the first "all-in before the flop" confrontation.
3) The smaller stack has to have the worst of it pre-flop.
Just taking the last 6 which i have got documented evidence for, the odds of the small stack losing all 6 (and this isn't a whiny rant, i've been the small stack on a number of occassions and have come back to win) is over 300/1. If you add in the previous 8, it's over Half a million to one. Doesn't make sense, but that isn't ariance. And this is over 3 sites, 9 on pokerstars, 1 on Absolute, and 4 on Full Tilt. And i'm not losing, i'm making over $200 a month playing H2H almost exclusively (due to time restrictions predominately) for a couple of hours a night.
This is a missapplication of probability.
If you had sat down before any of this and writ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at April 22, 2007, 1:34 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by robwhufc
I'm not the only regular poster on site that has suggested it has gotten harder to win since the US ban.
yeah, the sites being rigged is obviously the most logical explanation for this...
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| Posted by: mischman at April 22, 2007, 1:31 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Four Dogs
Hmmm. And yet my Multi street bluff was somehow worse.
it was grumbledoNk
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at April 22, 2007, 1:27 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by mischman
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PokerStars Game #9537983433: Tournament #47489741, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/21 - 16:37:33 (ET)
Table '47489741 2' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: Binger (4920 in chips)
Seat 3: mischman (5170 in chips)
Seat 5: TexasBlondie (5220 in chips)
Seat 7: Grumbledook (4950 in chips)
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* (4700 in chips)
Seat 9: MilesAM (5040 in chips)
Binger: posts small blind 10
mischman: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [2h 7c]
TexasBlondie: folds
Grumbledook: raises 40 to 60
*MELINA 07*: folds
MilesAM: folds
Binger: folds
mischman: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [8d Jc Js]
mischman: checks
Grumbledook: bets 80
mischman: raises 160 to 240
Grumbledook: calls 160
*** TURN *** [8d Jc Js] Q♥
mischman: bets 470
Grumbledook: calls 470
*** RIVER *** [8d Jc Js Qh] 2♠
mischman: bets 1... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mischman at April 22, 2007, 1:18 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by robwhufc
Thanks for your input Mischman
Rob, Pm me, ill play a few $5 HU Sngs with you and shove the first hand
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| Posted by: robwhufc at April 22, 2007, 6:48 am | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by hott_estelle
Are you serious??? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound??
You might say you have evidence for this or whatever, but what a few hands?? You know that's not enough evidence, and is just a ridiculous claim.
Half a Million to one IS evidence - i wouldn't have posted and risked ridicule otherwise. You've got your opinion, i've got mine - play 100+ H2H games as I have, then come back.
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| Posted by: robwhufc at April 22, 2007, 6:45 am | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by elmo_24
if you've worked out how the sites are apparently rigged go exploit them
See above, tell me how and i will. But on a similar note, the only 2 full table SnG's i've won recently are ones where i've caught miracle cards (AK beat AA and K 2 beat 8 9 post flop on a 7 8 9 board (trun K, river 2). The SnG where i played my best game for ages, i lost 3 all-ins as favourite, came back to take on the table luckbox who had sucked out 3 times on other opponents, got the chips in post flop as 98% favourite, and got runner runnered - i simply wasn't going to win that one, regardless of what i did.
I'm not the only regular poster on site that has suggested it has gotten harder to win since the US ban. It's easy to see why pokersites would want to tilt the game in favour of poorer players, because once they lose their stacks (in the case of American players) they aren't able to re-deposit (and contribute to rake). I'm not an idiot, of course th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hott_estelle at April 22, 2007, 6:36 am | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by robwhufc
Thanks for your input Mischman, but the parameters of the pattern i discovered are quite precise.
1) Has to be a H2H game
2) Has to be the first "all-in before the flop" confrontation.
3) The smaller stack has to have the worst of it pre-flop.
Just taking the last 6 which i have got documented evidence for, the odds of the small stack losing all 6 (and this isn't a whiny rant, i've been the small stack on a number of occassions and have come back to win) is over 300/1. If you add in the previous 8, it's over Half a million to one. Doesn't make sense, but that isn't ariance. And this is over 3 sites, 9 on pokerstars, 1 on Absolute, and 4 on Full Tilt. And i'm not losing, i'm making over $200 a month playing H2H almost exclusively (due to time restrictions predominately) for a couple of hours a night.
Are you serious??? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound??
You might say you have evide... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: robwhufc at April 22, 2007, 6:33 am | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Thanks for your input Mischman, but the parameters of the pattern i discovered are quite precise.
1) Has to be a H2H game
2) Has to be the first "all-in before the flop" confrontation.
3) The smaller stack has to have the worst of it pre-flop.
Just taking the last 6 which i have got documented evidence for, the odds of the small stack losing all 6 (and this isn't a whiny rant, i've been the small stack on a number of occassions and have come back to win) is over 300/1. If you add in the previous 8, it's over Half a million to one. Doesn't make sense, but that isn't ariance. And this is over 3 sites, 9 on pokerstars, 1 on Absolute, and 4 on Full Tilt. And i'm not losing, i'm making over $200 a month playing H2H almost exclusively (due to time restrictions predominately) for a couple of hours a night.
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| Posted by: mischman at April 21, 2007, 9:25 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
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PokerStars Game #9538660490: Tournament #47489741, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/04/21 - 17:24:00 (ET)
Table '47489741 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Binger (6345 in chips)
Seat 3: mischman (7790 in chips)
Seat 5: TexasBlondie (4885 in chips)
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* (6270 in chips)
Seat 9: MilesAM (4710 in chips)
TexasBlondie: posts small blind 25
*MELINA 07*: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [2d 7d]
MilesAM: raises 100 to 150
Binger: folds
Binger is sitting out
mischman: raises 250 to 400
TexasBlondie: calls 375
*MELINA 07*: folds
MilesAM: calls 250
*** FLOP *** [4d 8c Qd]
TexasBlondie: bets 100
MilesAM: folds
mischman: calls 100
*** TURN *** [4d 8c Qd] 4♠
TexasBlondie: checks
mischman: bets 400
TexasBlondie: calls 400
*** RIVER *** [4d 8c Qd 4s] [Td]
TexasBlondie: checks
mischman: bets 1450
TexasBlondie: calls 1... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mischman at April 21, 2007, 9:21 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by hott_estelle
Uh-huh. You're officially a madman. More so than Mike Matusow, and it's not even close.
it was grumbledook, i ahd to bluff him and rub it in
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| Posted by: mischman at April 21, 2007, 9:20 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
OMG, i jsut have 87 one guy raises 2 a fewas BBs and i slapmy chips in da middle and teh the 1st 3 crds to cme out was a 6 a 5 a 4. He betz allins and i calls. shows 9 10 and man if tegh fing river wasnt a 8 and i los e all mi chips!
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| Posted by: hott_estelle at April 21, 2007, 9:19 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by mischman
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PokerStars Game #9537983433: Tournament #47489741, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/21 - 16:37:33 (ET)
Table '47489741 2' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: Binger (4920 in chips)
Seat 3: mischman (5170 in chips)
Seat 5: TexasBlondie (5220 in chips)
Seat 7: Grumbledook (4950 in chips)
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* (4700 in chips)
Seat 9: MilesAM (5040 in chips)
Binger: posts small blind 10
mischman: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [2h 7c]
TexasBlondie: folds
Grumbledook: raises 40 to 60
*MELINA 07*: folds
MilesAM: folds
Binger: folds
mischman: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [8d Jc Js]
mischman: checks
Grumbledook: bets 80
mischman: raises 160 to 240
Grumbledook: calls 160
*** TURN *** [8d Jc Js] Q♥
mischman: bets 470
Grumbledook: calls 470
*** RIVER *** [8d Jc Js Qh] 2♠
mischman: bets 1... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mischman at April 21, 2007, 9:16 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
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How rigged, the flop is 7722 when i folded it a few hands ago
PokerStars Game #9538538284: Tournament #47489741, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/04/21 - 17:15:29 (ET)
Table '47489741 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Binger (3995 in chips)
Seat 3: mischman (8315 in chips)
Seat 5: TexasBlondie (5285 in chips)
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* (7095 in chips)
Seat 9: MilesAM (5310 in chips)
*MELINA 07*: posts small blind 25
MilesAM: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [3s Qh]
Binger: raises 150 to 200
mischman: folds
TexasBlondie: calls 200
*MELINA 07*: folds
MilesAM: folds
*** FLOP *** [7h 2h 2c]
Binger: bets 350
TexasBlondie: calls 350
*** TURN *** [7h 2h 2c] 7♠
Binger: bets 1300
TexasBlondie: folds
Binger collected 1175 from pot
Binger: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1175 | Rake 0
Board [7h 2h 2c 7s]
Seat 2: Binger ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mischman at April 21, 2007, 9:15 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
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PokerStars Game #9537983433: Tournament #47489741, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/21 - 16:37:33 (ET)
Table '47489741 2' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: Binger (4920 in chips)
Seat 3: mischman (5170 in chips)
Seat 5: TexasBlondie (5220 in chips)
Seat 7: Grumbledook (4950 in chips)
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* (4700 in chips)
Seat 9: MilesAM (5040 in chips)
Binger: posts small blind 10
mischman: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [2h 7c]
TexasBlondie: folds
Grumbledook: raises 40 to 60
*MELINA 07*: folds
MilesAM: folds
Binger: folds
mischman: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [8d Jc Js]
mischman: checks
Grumbledook: bets 80
mischman: raises 160 to 240
Grumbledook: calls 160
*** TURN *** [8d Jc Js] Q♥
mischman: bets 470
Grumbledook: calls 470
*** RIVER *** [8d Jc Js Qh] 2♠
mischman: bets 1400
Grumbledook: folds
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at April 21, 2007, 7:19 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
well with PT you could look back over hands to confirm.
also
Quote:
if you could inform me why poker sites would want to rig donkaments in favour of short stacks i'd be grateful too, tyty.
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| Posted by: robwhufc at April 21, 2007, 7:16 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
you do realise we have a huge thread for silly conspiracy theories, right?
if you could inform me why poker sites would want to rig donkaments in favour of short stacks i'd be grateful too, tyty.
also if you could let me know whether you're actually actively tracking the "12 in a row" stuff or just working from memory that would be great too. seeing as you have been so anti-PT in the past, I can only assume you're working from memory, and I'm sure you can see the problems with that.
Tracked it from 3, was going to post at 6, then again at 10 but thought i'd be laughed at. Got to 12 so i posted, but wished i hadn't. Would Pokertracker track this situation then?
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at April 21, 2007, 5:41 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
you do realise we have a huge thread for silly conspiracy theories, right?
if you could inform me why poker sites would want to rig donkaments in favour of short stacks i'd be grateful too, tyty.
also if you could let me know whether you're actually actively tracking the "12 in a row" stuff or just working from memory that would be great too. seeing as you have been so anti-PT in the past, I can only assume you're working from memory, and I'm sure you can see the problems with that.
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| Posted by: robwhufc at April 21, 2007, 5:28 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by GL (G-man)
we back to this again?????
Just reporting what i've seen mate - at even money losing 12 consecutive hands is over 4,000/1, when you add in the 6/4, 2/1 etc's hands you're talking 10,000+/1. You can put it down to ariance / selective memory / exaggeration if you want, but it is true and has happened over a couple of months. I've played for a couple of years, make a profit pretty much every month and shouldn't really be allying myself to the theorists and newbies, but i've seen the same patterns happening over and over again.
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| Posted by: GL (G-man) at April 21, 2007, 5:02 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
we back to this again?????
Online Poker is not rigged, and I've had as many bad beats as most of you.
You would realise this if you actually played a lot of live games like I have and considering % of hands, I have seen more bad beats live.
G-man
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| Posted by: aloevera at April 21, 2007, 3:57 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
From my own personal experiences, I always come from behind and win. Shortstacked and all. If I am the leader in chippies I always lose them. This is tournament play only however. I can actually tell you how the play is going to go if I make it to the final table, by how many chippies I have when I get there.
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at April 21, 2007, 3:46 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
ur so wrong, online poker is rigged against the small stacks so that they get more people busting more quickly, then they enter more donkaments and generate more rake.
IT'S SO OBVIOUS I MEAN WTF DOOD
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| Posted by: robwhufc at April 21, 2007, 2:24 pm | | Topic: Poker not rigged - LMAO Forum: Card Chat |
I've been meaning to post this for ages, but it's just getting more and more ridiculous, and more and more unbelievable, but 2 more today so...
Running total of H2H games where the first all-in confrontation has been won by the small stack with the worst cards........
Big Stack & best cards = Nil
Small Stack & worst cards = ....... TWELVE!!!!!
i know, ariance!
I've been the small stack in some of them, and am showing a healthy profit, but this is proof enough for me that poker simply IS rigged, sorry!
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