| Posted by: Stefanicov at April 23, 2007, 8:52 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
Blah bluffing is no big deal if u dont then u are a bad poker player
i do but i dont really think about it when u get a feel for players then u will know whther to bluff at pots but i would say i bluff at 30-50% of pots im in which prob way too high
when i hear people talking about oinly bluffing when oportune conitions arise i laugh because tht means u win 1 pot to my 10 pots by bluffing
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| Posted by: Bombjack at April 23, 2007, 5:02 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
Texas Hold'em $0.50-$1 NL (real money), hand #226,998,192
Table Indianapolis, 22 Apr 2007 4:04 PM ET
Seat 4: Emil00 ($202.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Eddan71 ($17.80 in chips)
Seat 7: Bombjack_x [ K♠,J♠ ] ($62.15 in chips)
Seat 8: Villain ($74.35 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Bombjack_x posts blind ($0.25), Villain posts blind ($0.50).
PRE-FLOP
Emil00 folds, Eddan71 folds, Bombjack_x bets $1.50, Villain calls $1.25.
FLOP [board cards 9♠,5♣,A♠ ]
Bombjack_x bets $2.50, Villain calls $2.50.
TURN [board cards 9♠,5♣,A♠,Q♣ ]
Bombjack_x bets $4.50, Villain bets $11, Bombjack_x calls $6.50.
RIVER [board cards 9♠,5♣,A♠,Q♣,J♦ ]
Bombjack_x checks, Villain bets $8, Bombjack_x bets $46.90 and is all-in, Villain folds.
SHOWDOWN
Bombjack_x wins $83.90.
ship it
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| Posted by: crash7 at April 23, 2007, 4:09 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
the art of bluffing is really a lot more like a well executed magic trick.
You need characters. Who are you gonna bluff? Why is he a good pick? Who are you and what does he know about you?
The set up. You need to prep the player for your bluff. A bluff is most effective when it is almost never used. Make sure youve earned both respect and trust from your mark before trying to play with his head. Your mark needs to understand that you dont raise without a great hand. If he doesn't believe you yet you need to show him till he believes you. You really have to sell this part. This is the most important part of the magic trick. You have to make your audience trust that what you show them is authentic. When you feel you have them eating out of your hand then your set up is complete....
The story. You gotta pick your time and your characters. It works best if you dont have to fool more than 1-2 characters at a time. You need one hell of a set up to bluff a full table. Isolate your ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: reglardave at April 22, 2007, 11:14 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
I ert rarely SHOW a bluff, I feel in the ast majority of situations it does more harm than good.
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| Posted by: aliengenius at April 22, 2007, 6:16 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
The most comprehensive discussion I have found on this art is "The Book of Bluffs" by Matt Lessinger. So good I wish it would go out of print...
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| Posted by: Riedel at April 22, 2007, 4:00 am | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
It's great taking down a huge pot, followed by showing the bluff. Guaranteed huge implied odds with whatever hand you play for a while.
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| Posted by: reglardave at April 22, 2007, 2:58 am | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by wsorbust
I never bluff.
And it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime
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| Posted by: TexasHoney at April 22, 2007, 12:29 am | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
There are days i bluff and days i don't, it just depends on the mood i'm in and if it's a serious game or not. Oh heck it just depends on my mood. I am a woman you know.
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| Posted by: mbutler007 at April 22, 2007, 12:02 am | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
After you show the big bluff, dont bluff again for a while. You've created an image in your opponents mind, so he or she is going to call you down next time. It makes it that much sweeter when you show them a big hand.
I bluffed a guy pretty hard last weekend in a homegame. I bet out pre-flop with 72os. He called. The flop came AQ8. I bet, he called. Turn was another A. I bet, he thinks about it for a while and calls. Other players at the table are speculating that I must have the queen. The river comes Q and I go all in. He think about it for a few minutes and folds. He shows his KK, and I flipped over my 72os. He was pretty sick, I was pretty proud of myself.
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| Posted by: tigertight at April 21, 2007, 11:54 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
"The Art Of Bluffing"
one of pokers skills is learning the art of bluffing that is on thing that many players use daily its a hard skill becuse A.) you need to know your enemy
B.) becuse you need to figure wat number can i put out that will make him fold.
all though i have not mastered bluffing i thinck im pretty good at it i use both a.) and b.) when trying to bluff alot of peaple thinck that bluffing dosent require much but to fool the enemy but it dosent it takes more then just that you may succesfully do it once but not the other if your not carefully they can catch on and take all you got.
i was also wondering about storys of big pots won by bluffs or mabey advice.
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| Posted by: Bucksfreak at March 31, 2005, 11:41 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
I agree that it is ery difficult to win a tournament without bluffing but I would not say that it absolutely cannot happen. In fact I won a live tourney not ery long ago and I didn't bluff once. Well, I did get ery lucky in several ways and because of that, I didn't need to bluff.
For instance, if you catch a big hand at just the right time (luck) it can carry you through several rounds of a tourney if you are patient. Now I will confess that this by far does not happen enough to base your playing style onj it, but when you see the cards working for you it is not a bad idea to play this way.
Let's say you fold fold fold then you catch kings or aces and someone else has jacks or queens in front of you and they raise big. There is a good chance if you go all in they could call you. If you double and sometimes even triple up early it can get you to the middle portions of the tourney if you play smart and only play good hands. Then if you catch another good hand at the right time later... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: acemagnets at March 31, 2005, 6:03 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by bpazjr13
You fight fire with fire, right? so why not fight agressive play with more agressive play? I get sick of those players who consistently raise pre flop with anything....does anyone runs into these guys and how would you handle it?
I think they do that to narrow the play. That makes their strait draws much stronger, and if you are ramming the pot with top pair but they have successfully gotten it down to heads up they probably will suck out on you. It's happened to me alot. Then they feel even better about raising pre flop everytime
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| Posted by: S1lverShot at March 28, 2005, 4:55 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by bpazjr13
You fight fire with fire, right? so why not fight agressive play with more agressive play? I get sick of those players who consistently raise pre flop with anything....does anyone runs into these guys and how would you handle it?
what you do is wait to you get a good hand under and slow play or reraise before the flop until the aggressive player loses enough money to where he cannot do this anymore
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| Posted by: bpazjr13 at March 28, 2005, 3:18 am | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
You fight fire with fire, right? so why not fight agressive play with more agressive play? I get sick of those players who consistently raise pre flop with anything....does anyone runs into these guys and how would you handle it?
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| Posted by: sublimer21 at March 27, 2005, 6:59 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
So much depends on the site you play at. I think newer players bluff much more. I play on Noble Poker and make notes on people I think bluff a lot. It has proved helpfull when you see them make big bets and there is a little note beside their name that tells you that he does this a lot. You still lose sometimes though.
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| Posted by: lilmayo at March 24, 2005, 2:29 am | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
you really just need to know the proper cards to bluff after and the proper moments, if u bluff in a wrong spot u will lose horribly
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| Posted by: -GAVIN- at March 22, 2005, 11:41 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
When bluffing, you have to be able to sense weakness in your opponent, and say you raise pre flop with nothing, and bet the flop with nothing, and you get a flat call, then you are either being trapped or they are fishing for outs.
When the turn comes, and you still don't have a hand, bet a bet big enough to make them fold, but make it look liek you WANT a call, say for example a $700 pot. You bet about $400, they will either clear out, or re-raise you. Then you are up the old "sh*t creek without a paddle" and then, you should stop bluffing. Or of course they could be bluffing and you re-raise and they clear out then, but then if you are re-re-raised then you clear out......its ery complicated lol
But basically, be consistant and aggressive when bluffing, you can't get scared after a call on the flop, or even the turn in some cases, if they are waiting for a spade on the river, if there aint a drawing hand out there that could possibly be hit on the river then bet again.
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| Posted by: lakeside670 at March 22, 2005, 11:09 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
I agree a beginner should never bluff. With time & expirience you will know when the time is right. You deffinatly need to see alot of hands played to do it well & that will not always save you. I think its just like poker-A gamble.
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| Posted by: rdizzy at March 22, 2005, 8:40 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
the key to bluffing is knowing wen ur opponent is weak and the kind of oppoenent they are so you know if they r wlling to fold there hand and for how much
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| Posted by: western_cj at March 22, 2005, 7:49 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
no limit holdem CANNOT be won withought some bluffing....there is no way anyone can get a run of cards that will win him a tourny so my advice is to learn at the lower no limit levels online so your not risking much and eventually youll learn the ropes of bluffing.....also remember that postion is ery important for bluffing..the last person to act is the best place to bluff but people who know what they're doingn will call you on it so make sure you know your opponents
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| Posted by: Connorsmtc at March 21, 2005, 11:41 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
I strongly disagree with some of the posts made to this thread...
You cannot win a tournament without bluffing..
UNlesss your a kid gets AA or KK every hand you need to at least semi bluff to win in tournament style of play...
cash games on the other hand i can see you may have a different iew
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| Posted by: digihhhballz at March 21, 2005, 11:30 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
i dissagree with low limit....it's probably the worst place for bluffing...actually ery rare if pulled off right...you might get some ppl out but if they have any outs they'll usually stay in for petty money...
like i didn't win one hand due to ppl calling me on a 2-4 table at a casino....so i was starting to get pissed....i was new to the game also...maybe my first 4 months or so...but i got the ace high flush on the flop...was holding king-8hearts...
flop came acehearts/4hearts/7hearts raised, got reraised thinking he has a flush too or a pocket pair so we raised til we couldn't anymore and... turn came a Qdiamonds or something and i was allin like 80-100 in the pot and the river came a 7of clubs................guy next to me was like why'd you go all in? and i flipped my cards over first with the ace high flush and he opens his pocket rockets AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaahhhh ....f ck!!
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| Posted by: sports at March 21, 2005, 3:51 am | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
i also play low limit games but i believe that it is easiest to bluff in low limit games because people are not confident with there hands and always believe that if a person is betting a large amount they must have the nuts.
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| Posted by: respira at March 20, 2005, 3:13 pm | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
I play low limit "limit" tables mainly because I haven't perfected my bluffing skills and it evens the playing field for me. Rare event in low limit "limit Tables"
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| Posted by: Grumbledook at March 20, 2005, 11:42 am | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
Some good money saving advice I can give whilst you are starting out is:
DON'T BLUFF
most people at the lower levels will call anyway, gain some experience and you have to learn to recognise which players can fold a winning hand, even then it can be hard to pull off
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| Posted by: drkneenie at March 20, 2005, 2:40 am | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
that is some good advice but another thing to take into account when bluffing is your position and chip stack. add that to the information above and you have a good formula for bluffing.
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| Posted by: KK_Cowboy at March 20, 2005, 2:08 am | | Topic: The Art Of Bluffing Forum: Card Chat |
A aluable tool if used right, a harmful and fatal tool if done wrong. Yet if you ever want to get anywhere and grow as a poker player it is something you will likely have to try and use now and again. I know have made my fair share of great bluffs, and some that didn't prove so good.
"You can bluff some people some of the time, but not everyone all the time".
Very wise person who said that. Anyway as far as my own experience on bluffing goes there are three things you have to know to pull a bluff.
-when/where you can actually pull one
-when/where you can't pull one
-and if you are going to bluff, see it through unless you are totally doomed
I am not perfect at blufifng by any means. But when you can make a pair of 3's look like a queen high flush. You know you have just pulled a good bluff. And I have done that before .
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