| Posted by: quads at June 23, 2007, 10:05 pm | | Topic: YES - NO QUESTIONS / SURVEY ????? Forum: Card Chat |
Heres another quote I read:
Let me give you a quote from Darse Billings the lead
designer at the University of Alberta’s Computer Poker Research
Group, presently involved in the development of an artificially
intelligent automaton known as “Vex Bot,” capable of playing
poker at the master level.
‘A program that can think’
“With chess—I don’t want to trivialize it—but it’s just a matter of
calculation,” he said. “With poker, you really need to write a program
that can think about the game and reason.” The solution, in
the case of the Vex Bot, was adding a layer of artificial intelligence
over its ability to calculate probabilities. “It will show you things
that no human player has ever shown you before,” Billings said of
the latest incarnation of the bot, which also has the ability to model
its opponent’s behavior. “…One of the biggest ad... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: crancko at June 23, 2007, 9:51 pm | | Topic: YES - NO QUESTIONS / SURVEY ????? Forum: Card Chat |
Nice change from the "rigged" posts. Been hearing alot about these bots, but never actually heard of a case where one was detected, seen or demo'ed. Not a trustworthy case, that is...
Knowing a little bit about mathematical programming (second hand stuff, i couldnt programme to save my life), I can imagine they can be made. Using the basis from say PT, you should be able to make something that adapts to a table and arious opponents after a bit. Sampling sizes would matter alot, so my guess would be on smaller sites with fewer players.
I have leafed through most of the "rigged" threads, but always looses patience. Have we seen a quality post on this??
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| Posted by: quads at June 23, 2007, 9:37 pm | | Topic: YES - NO QUESTIONS / SURVEY ????? Forum: Card Chat |
If against one long enough their play becomes somewhat repetitious. But if the user realizes your play changed against his bot, he just will jump in. If you went into a game knowing it was a bot, you could probably detect its program design and take advantage of it quicker. Bots will play to their design however the programmer wants it to play 100%. Humans for the most part will alter their play online for any number of reasons. The first being their human. Heres a quote I read, "bring your laptop to a blackjack game with a card counting program loaded into it, or to a poker game with a poker program in it, and flop it on the table". "Let me know what happens"?
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at June 23, 2007, 6:49 pm | | Topic: YES - NO QUESTIONS / SURVEY ????? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by quads
So I assume thats a choice of playing the bot.
Quote: Originally Posted by Jack Daniels
Bot, every time.
Would seem so, wouldn't it.
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at June 23, 2007, 6:45 pm | | Topic: YES - NO QUESTIONS / SURVEY ????? Forum: Card Chat |
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Fair enough J.D. But, right after reading this post, you were to take a thousand dollars cash to a heads up match, how would you answer #4 being forced to make a decision?
Bot, every time. I can outplay the limited logic in their programming and don't have to worry about irrational decisions since the bot won't tilt when I run over it.
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| Posted by: heatfan03 at June 23, 2007, 6:39 pm | | Topic: YES - NO QUESTIONS / SURVEY ????? Forum: Card Chat |
if your saying the computer runs just off the numbers this is easy. A bot. All u do Raise each hand preflop if they call u check/fold otherwise steal their blinds. then it comes down to luck of catching more cards.
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| Posted by: quads at June 23, 2007, 6:37 pm | | Topic: YES - NO QUESTIONS / SURVEY ????? Forum: Card Chat |
Fair enough J.D. But, right after reading this post, you were to take a thousand dollars cash to a heads up match, how would you answer #4 being forced to make a decision?
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| Posted by: quads at June 23, 2007, 5:12 pm | | Topic: YES - NO QUESTIONS / SURVEY ????? Forum: Card Chat |
1) If you were to be playing a game of poker online heads up, with any poker scenario you want to make it, stack size, cash, tournament, etc… for real money and were against a software program (bot), do you believe that all human emotions and the consideration of thought and concern of the consequences s. outcome are missing from this type of opponent?
2) Would you prefer playing against humans online, with what they may or may not bring to the table when real cash is involved?
3) If you played a million hands of poker online, for real cash, with the exact cards being dealt through out, both against a human, and a bot, do you believe the statistics one way or the other would be different?
4) If you had a choice when playing for real money online, which would you choose, a Bot or a Human?
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