| Posted by: lhsstanger at January 4, 2007, 5:04 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by withawedge
I happen to think that Joe Hatchem is currently the best player right now.
He was robbed of 2 bracelets in the WSOP this year because of miracle river cards. If I remenber Dutch Boyd was one of the lucky suckout guys
Then in the main event he was about to double up to about $2m (when Gold had $3m) when his pocket rockets were cracked. Would have been ery interesting to see how Gold would have reacted with Joe in his face.
I agree %100 Hachem is hot and has been since his win....Michael "The Grinder" Mizrachi had a hell of a year and won 2006 card player of the year.....Obviously Negraneau is beast as is The Mouth....but my personal favs are Barry Greenstein and Cunningham
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| Posted by: withawedge at January 4, 2007, 2:34 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
I happen to think that Joe Hatchem is currently the best player right now.
He was robbed of 2 bracelets in the WSOP this year because of miracle river cards. If I remenber Dutch Boyd was one of the lucky suckout guys
Then in the main event he was about to double up to about $2m (when Gold had $3m) when his pocket rockets were cracked. Would have been ery interesting to see how Gold would have reacted with Joe in his face.
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| Posted by: Arsenal28 at December 29, 2006, 10:50 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
I think Negraneau is the best player to watch. His ability to read players is second to none. He is usually ery upbeat at the table and friendly. Perhaps what I like most about him is his ability to take a bad beat and not blow up or ridicule the person that made a bad play. He is a gentleman at the table and I wish more of the early 20 year old "pros" would have the table presence of him.
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| Posted by: combuboom at December 28, 2006, 5:30 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Brown nailed it. Chip Reese is widely considered the best cash game player in the world. It's really not even close. Ask every top-level pro who the best cash game player in the world is and I literally think at LEAST 75% of them would say Chip Reese instantly. Whether you believe the "better poker player" would be the better tournament player or the best cash game player is a matter of opinion.
From what I've seen Reese seems to be a good tournament player too, although you could easily argue Andy Bloch should have won the HORSE tournament instead of Reese. Reese doubled up on Bloch in heads up play when they got all the money in with Bloch as a ~65% favorite. If it holds up, he's champ. Bloch lost a couple of other races to Reese too, but of course that's the nature of poker.
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| Posted by: brown110 at December 28, 2006, 4:21 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Chip Reese is the best cash game player, and would be a lot more well known if he played more tournaments. That being said, I still think that Phil Hellmuth Jr. and Daniel Negreanu are the best Holdem players in the world. I'm convinced Negreanu is able to see everyone's hole cards and Hellmuth has seen every situation and knows excatly how to act in each and every one of them.
For the worst, I don't think there can be an argument against Chris Moneymaker being the worst. Even during his 2003 run he had dozens of suckouts and the bad play never caught up to him because of this. The reason no one has seen him play since then is because he has cashed only twice in the WSOP since then and he placed ery poorly in Poker Superstars II.
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| Posted by: Welly at December 28, 2006, 3:00 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Right....here's a fairly loosely based opinion :-
The year 2000 onwards is when the WSOP really took off in terms of player numbers. And the WSOP is pretty much the premier poker tournament series so......(wait for it ) :-
Looking at WSOP tournaments 2000 onwards, giving 3 pts for a win, 2 for a second and 1 for a third.....would lead to :-
1) Chris "Jesus" Ferguson
2) Phil Ivey
3) Johnny Chan (tied with Phil Hellmuth on points, but has 5 firsts)
4) Phil Hellmuth (tied with Johhny on points, but has 4 firsts)
5) Men The Master
6) Allen Cunningham
There, that is settled....these are undisputedly the best 6 players in the world today .
yes, yes, yes.....i know, i know...
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| Posted by: Welly at December 28, 2006, 1:00 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Both bracelets probably being from fields of about 40 people ......
The main event in 1978 (for example) had only 42 entrants, and in 1982 (for example) had 104 entrants.
My criticism is of Negreanu (and the others who said it), not of Reese....Negreanu specifically said that Chip Reese was the best player at present because he won the 50k HORSE....obviously that is a little bit "throw-away" as far as comments are concerned...but alot of people seemed to have picked up on it and taken it literally.
Chip Reese is a good poker player, but IMO I'd stick him down below quite a few others.
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| Posted by: Shoestringx at December 28, 2006, 5:34 am | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Welly I think you may be a little misinformed about Chip Reese to say that all this talk about him being the best player in the world just because of the 50,000 HORSE tourny.
He has won 2 WSOP braclets before the HORSE (in 78 and 82, both for 7 card stud I believe). So he now has 3 braclets total. Granted there are people who have more.
One more thing to consider is that he is also the youngest person to ever be inducted in the Poker Hall of Fame.
I'm not saying he's the best, because I think trying to decide who is the best poker player is impossible as there are many fantastic players who all excel at different areas or different games.
My personnal favorites however are Gus Hanson and Danial Negranaeu. Hanson because it is like watching a computer operating in a lunatics head. And Negraneau because of the table chatter and the way he makes the table fun, not to mention how he has the uncanny ability to read people that I dream of having.
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| Posted by: alan1983 at December 27, 2006, 7:30 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
I always watch Gus Hansen on final tables, i wonder how he plays in early and middle stages to get there. On final table you feel like hes ready to go broke anytime, but theres no way he plays like that all tournament! or is there...
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| Posted by: mbutler007 at December 27, 2006, 1:57 am | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
I think part of Moneymaker's problem was how much he's changed since winning it in 2003. I read his book and it talked about how much he and his wife were struggling before the tournament. He wasnt going to play, his dad and friend bought shares in his entry fee so he could pay his mortgage, etc. After winning, he signed the big sponsorship deal with Poker Stars, seperated from his wife, and started living the poker pro lifestyle. He's a different player than he was in 2003.
"Outside of his WSOP win, I'm not sure I've ever seen Chris Moneymaker play at all. When you're comparing how good he is to other players, where are you seeing him play?"
I've seen him on a the Poker Superstars invitational and the WSOPs in 2004-2006. For evidence of how he changed, in 2004, he partied all night and showed up hungover to Day 1. He didnt last long. Moneymaker got me into poker, I loved the guy in 2003. I hope he gets it all together again...
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| Posted by: mrsnake3695 at December 25, 2006, 8:38 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Jen is like 50. Cute yes, but I like then a little younger. Ng's Ok, ( I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers), but for some reason between the 2 I prefer LIz. Mercer's a little cutie too, she can reraise me any time.
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| Posted by: joosebuck at December 25, 2006, 8:36 am | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Really? You think raymer winning the 2004 WSOP ME & then placing top 27 in 2005 was the showcase of an amateur?
Favorites - Laak, Negreanu, Matusow, Gavin Smith, Lane Flack, Ivey
And although I dislike phil helmuth jr a lot, some of the gear changing & psychology i've seen him bring into hands is pretty amazing. There is talk in FToP about the levels of thought:
1. Your cards
2. Your opponents cards
3. What your opponent thinks you have
4. What your opponent thinks you think they have
and helmuth is definetly at level 4+. no doubt some other players are - but some of the stuff i've seen him do is pretty sick.
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| Posted by: combuboom at December 25, 2006, 4:22 am | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Negreanu really did have loooads of terrible luck in High Stakes Poker. He flopped the nuts and second nuts so many times but kept getting outdrawn. He flopped set over set s. Gus Hansen, but lost to a 1-outer on the turn that gave Gus quads! It was like a $600k pot. I think Negreanu is a good cash game player, just had some awful luck.
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| Posted by: atkmani at December 25, 2006, 1:00 am | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by JimboJim
It's really hard to pick the best player in poker. You have the guys like Phil Ivey and Daniel Negreanu who are the best at reading people. Gus Hanson is definantly the best at calculating and playing the odds. Cchris Ferguson has the best disipline. Mike Matusow and Tony G and Jennifer Tilley are good at controlling a hand. Then guys like Johnny Chan and Phil Helmuth who are good all around players.
With that said my favorite player would have to be Chris Ferguson. He is disiplined and has the look that intimidates even people like Tony G. He knows his poker.
Now for the worst poker pro I would have to disagree about Moneymaker. Even though he is hugely overrated he's still pretty good at poker and is still fixing holes in his game. Although I couldn't really pick the worst player there are several that I would like to nominate. Phil Laak, even though he;s amusing to watch I dont think he's that great of a player. Luck is on his si... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JimboJim at December 25, 2006, 12:05 am | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
I just dont think Laak is ery good. He waits until he has a dominate hand. Thats not a bad thing but he cant control a hand with medium pair or rags like Ivey, Chan or many others.
I do like Ivey and Negreanu because they both can tell when they have the best hand. I've seen Negreanu tell people exactly what they have down to the 7 or 8 kicker
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| Posted by: combuboom at December 24, 2006, 11:14 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
Phil Laak one of the worst, really? I think Phil Laak plays a pretty good TAG game. I definitely think he's better than Moneymaker.
Best player in poker right now has to be Phil Ivey. I know it's the standard answer, but it's the standard answer for a reason. There's also a reason so many pros agree that he's currently the best in the game. For there to be so many people with a consensus on a "best player" in a game like poker, where it's much harder to truly dominate than almost any other sport or competition, is a testament to how incredible of a player Ivey is. I don't really have to explain why. He's an amazing reader and he puts tremendous amounts of pressure on his opponent and always seems to know the right time to do so.
Negreanu is my favorite player, and I think he's just slightly below Ivey as one of the best players out there. I've seen him have lots of awful, awful luck since his incredible 2004; I think he's played better than his success and earnings have showe... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JimboJim at December 24, 2006, 12:54 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
It's really hard to pick the best player in poker. You have the guys like Phil Ivey and Daniel Negreanu who are the best at reading people. Gus Hanson is definantly the best at calculating and playing the odds. Cchris Ferguson has the best disipline. Mike Matusow and Tony G and Jennifer Tilley are good at controlling a hand. Then guys like Johnny Chan and Phil Helmuth who are good all around players.
With that said my favorite player would have to be Chris Ferguson. He is disiplined and has the look that intimidates even people like Tony G. He knows his poker.
Now for the worst poker pro I would have to disagree about Moneymaker. Even though he is hugely overrated he's still pretty good at poker and is still fixing holes in his game. Although I couldn't really pick the worst player there are several that I would like to nominate. Phil Laak, even though he;s amusing to watch I dont think he's that great of a player. Luck is on his side and he takes advantage of it. Even though I put Mi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: alan1983 at December 24, 2006, 12:17 pm | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
I dont know about best or worst since i havent really followed anyone enough for that.
My favourite is gus hansen though. He makes poker fun for me to watch and play. Although i cant play in his style, i like his approach. People say hes loose or gets lucky but thing is he usually plays the odds. When he has the right odds to call wih rags, he will. WHen theres a gamble to be made he takes it. Gotta respect him for that. And he makes GREAT laydowns.
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| Posted by: atkmani at December 24, 2006, 11:29 am | | Topic: Which pro poker player do you think is the best ? Forum: Card Chat |
I have to ote for Phil Ivey.
Actually I would to ask you who is the worse ?
This thread come from commercial add that Challenge UK run with Chris Moneymaker and what they say there "Chris Moneymaker was amateur poker player ....blabla" Statement was is really funny IMAO he still is amateur who get lucky one time but if you call him a pro he definitely is the worse.
Marry Christmas /atk
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