| Posted by: Gesus_El_Savior at July 15, 2007, 4:10 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Any pocket pair is ok to call a blind.. but have a good straight or flush or both possibility to go with it.. since you only have about 5% chance to flop a set you will be chucking these tens away 95% of the time, which is really a waste of you pre flop calling money.. suited high pairs are ery good, and a hand like 5cQc6hKh is usually also ery good, since you have two high flusah draws and to wide ranged straight possibility's..
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| Posted by: highpack at July 15, 2007, 4:09 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
for omaha, u want 2 pprs, double suited (AAKK is best); i happen to favor omaha hi/lo, because there's the opportunity to chase the low hand (especially favorable when many people are playing in the hand) and take half the pot while evrybody else is fighting for the high hand (in hi/lo, the best hand is AA23, double-suited); and always fold if you're dealt a set (chasing a one-outer is not smart; the only time i would even consider playing a hand with 3 of a kind down is if the table is 3 handed or heads up, and even then only if it's aces or kings; otherwise the odds are too good that an opponent will hit 2 pair). also 4 of the same suit (and in my conservative opinion, even three of the same suit) is a hand not worth playing- flush possiblity is too low (b/c you can only use 2 of those cards).
now, i'm no expert at omaha, but I think I'm above average, and I can figure odds pretty decently (although you should know that in omaha, it is rare that the preflop odds for a given hand is any bette... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: try2stopme at July 15, 2007, 3:30 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
I have to tell you if i am playing in an omaha high game either 2 pprs.I like to see suites in omaha flushes are ery common and i want my hands to be high flushes if im gonna hit
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| Posted by: starfall at July 13, 2007, 12:43 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Pre-flop raising is important in Omaha H/L, but it depends on position and likely responses of other players. Some tables pre-flop will often be capped, but not most of the ones I've played on. A passive table can be ery good, because then you can either raise to thin the field, or get in cheap to see a more speculative hand (like a weak A2-type hand).
There is a common mistake of thinking that because the pre-flop hands are closer in alue, and there are so many more combinations possible, that you should play more hands... the opposite is true - because while in Holdem you're looking to improve, and 2 pair is often a winning hand, in Omaha 2 pair is generally junk, even top 2 pair, because of the number of combinations each player has. As a result you want to look for hands which have more likelihood of making the best possible hand.
Flushes are still of use, but they're not particularly bettable unless they're Ace-high, when playing High-Low, playing the 2nd best low hand is a suckers game (un... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: reglardave at July 12, 2007, 4:15 am | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by arkadiy
I played Omaha, not Hi/Lo Omaha. And in normal Omaha do I HAVE to use 2 of my cards? Or is that only Hi/Lo?
ALL Omaha is 2 from yer hand,3 from the board, every time no more and no less. "4 is right out" . And anyway, why not play Hi/Lo? Absolutely THE greatest mind bending card game of 'em all!
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| Posted by: dj11 at July 11, 2007, 4:31 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Here's a thought.
Omaha being the huge drawing game it is, no matter what you hold at a full table, preflop, IT IS NOT SAFE !
AAKK 2 suited? Loses to a mid card straight too often to consider it really strong. Fill several paragraphs here with your own takes on great starting hands gone south.
My take on it is that I want to exert as much control over a pot as I can. I know others will raise the pot, and I know that most of the time they have no clue. So I can call, ride along and steal when I bet big on the turn or river. Or I can see that my holdings are going nowhere and quietly drop out of the bidding.
This concept changes radically at a shorthanded table. There, raises do get respect. But at full tables, it is a bad strategy to raise in a limit game without having made a hand, which CAN NOT happen until the flop is seen.
There are a range of hands that offer good opportunities to continue, a pig pair combined with suits and connectors for example.
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| Posted by: arkadiy at July 11, 2007, 6:55 am | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by smd173
What the heck? Were you playing cards or eating Lucky Charms?
Wow I'm retarded, clubs is what I meant
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| Posted by: smd173 at July 11, 2007, 6:42 am | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by arkadiy
I quickly thought of the "2 clovers + 2 hearts" that are high cards are good cause you have 2 flushes you can catch, etc.
What the heck? Were you playing cards or eating Lucky Charms?
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| Posted by: bob_tiger at July 11, 2007, 5:56 am | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by stormswa
generally?
always fold trips in your hand, even if its Hi/Low and you hold AAA2 you fold it.
update from you last post,
there is nothing wrong with raising preflop in omaha, but you need to look at your hand alues better. Like for instance a hand like QT26 is not as good as something like 459T because the 2nd hand is more connected then the 1st. Sets are not as strong in omaha then in holdem unless the set also has some sort of draw like if you had AhKh9d9s and flop is 9h2sJh because now you have nut flush draw and pair. You should raise your playable hands in position only though.
ya i agree u do fold trips..but one time this is kind of crazy i was playing hi/lo and had AAA2 flop came 345...and dont really remember turn and river but i won the hand with str8 and 5432a low...won both hi and low...kind of lucky lol
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| Posted by: stormswa at July 11, 2007, 5:36 am | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by arkadiy
I read this whole guide, and not what I'm looking for.
I played Omaha, not Hi/Lo Omaha. And in normal Omaha do I HAVE to use 2 of my cards? Or is that only Hi/Lo?
yes you do, you have to use 2 and only 2 of them.
regardless it being Hi or Low you still always open fold trips in hand, I used the AAA2 as example in Hi/Low though because players overplay their A2 hands.
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| Posted by: arkadiy at July 11, 2007, 5:30 am | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by stormswa
generally?
always fold trips in your hand, even if its Hi/Low and you hold AAA2 you fold it.
update from you last post,
there is nothing wrong with raising preflop in omaha, but you need to look at your hand alues better. Like for instance a hand like QT26 is not as good as something like 459T because the 2nd hand is more connected then the 1st. Sets are not as strong in omaha then in holdem unless the set also has some sort of draw like if you had AhKh9d9s and flop is 9h2sJh because now you have nut flush draw and pair. You should raise your playable hands in position only though.
I read this whole guide, and not what I'm looking for.
I played Omaha, not Hi/Lo Omaha. And in normal Omaha do I HAVE to use 2 of my cards? Or is that only Hi/Lo?
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| Posted by: stormswa at July 11, 2007, 5:24 am | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by dj11
generally yes, fold it.
generally?
always fold trips in your hand, even if its Hi/Low and you hold AAA2 you fold it.
update from you last post,
there is nothing wrong with raising preflop in omaha, but you need to look at your hand alues better. Like for instance a hand like QT26 is not as good as something like 459T because the 2nd hand is more connected then the 1st. Sets are not as strong in omaha then in holdem unless the set also has some sort of draw like if you had AhKh9d9s and flop is 9h2sJh because now you have nut flush draw and pair. You should raise your playable hands in position only though.
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| Posted by: arkadiy at July 10, 2007, 9:18 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
I had fun at the .01 / .02 PL Omaha table though. I brought a $1 and with A LOT of aggression (raising almost any playable hand the max I could). But after 3 hands, I quickly thought of the "2 clovers + 2 hearts" that are high cards are good cause you have 2 flushes you can catch, etc.
I played off instinct and lost ery, ery few hands that I played after the flop. I guess it was because it is the .01 / .02 tables and they will call with almost anything all the way to the river then just fold their hands when they didn't catch the out they were looking for...
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| Posted by: dj11 at July 10, 2007, 9:15 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Omahahahaha is NOT HOLDEM!!! That is the biggest mistake one can make in Omaha. The aggression necessary in hold'em will often get you in trouble in Omaha.
Omaha is the king of draw games. What you hold preflop means next to nothing, OK, not that close to next to nothing.
I did really well this morning playing 2 suited hands, high connectors, and almost any pair, however, the almost any pair is not a hand you want to compete hard for. If you have big pair, QQ, KK, AA or the like, AND other cards that fit, i.e. JT or suited matches to the big cards, then it is worth seeing.
I am not a fan of preflop raising in Omaha.
Most players these days think the sole key to poker is aggression. Aggression surely has its place, but holdem is the place for preflop aggression. In stud it has its uses, but is overused by transplanted holdem players. In Omahahahaahah, it is so easy to flop a tot6al disaster that aggression should be tempered .
Beware any no limit Omaha game. ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jaymfc at July 10, 2007, 9:07 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
first let me say this " dont listen to me " poket tens are ok but you have four cards they are not good alone but if you got some shots at high st8 to go with them maybe , you dont want anything but the nut flush 99% of the time so flush alue isnt great with the ten unless you got an ace with it.they say like aa kk double suited is the best or any high pairs double suited or high st8 connectors suited , more than two is good, but me now ,i play alot of mediocore hands looking for that nut flop , which often is crammed by the river , but i just play tight mostly cause a ery good hand is usually coming for someone by the river. everyone has so so many outs. congrats on the st8 flush on the flop ,hope someone had the ace rag hearts to make a good pot. gl ark
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| Posted by: arkadiy at July 10, 2007, 9:06 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Thanks dj. Definitely had amazing hands during my little session if this was hold em :P
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| Posted by: dj11 at July 10, 2007, 9:06 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by arkadiy
Ex:
I got dealt 666J
I'm guessing that's a bad hand since there is now an almost impossible chance of me getting a 6 and it only counts as if I have pocket 6s. So that's a fold hand right?
generally yes, fold it.
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| Posted by: dj11 at July 10, 2007, 9:04 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Read this;
http://www.cardschat.com/how-to-play...ker-part-2.php
That is part 2, there are a few other parts.
Find them in the Articles section, see top right of page 'Blog'? move left 4 places...
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| Posted by: arkadiy at July 10, 2007, 8:34 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
And my first straight flush, and on the flop!
Dealt to alenchik [9h Qh Ac 8c]
goingfishin2: calls $0.02
Sampson993: checks
tdr1962: folds
bob2971: calls $0.02
X-Mac: calls $0.01
alenchik: raises $0.10 to $0.12
goingfishin2: calls $0.10
Sampson993: folds
bob2971: folds
X-Mac: folds
*** FLOP *** [Th Jh 8h]
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| Posted by: arkadiy at July 10, 2007, 8:32 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Ex:
I got dealt 666J
I'm guessing that's a bad hand since there is now an almost impossible chance of me getting a 6 and it only counts as if I have pocket 6s. So that's a fold hand right?
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| Posted by: arkadiy at July 10, 2007, 8:17 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
What pocket range is actually considered good in Omaha? Are pocket 10s good? Or beat most of the time?
I started playing .01 / .02 Omaha for the first time today, I made a few bucks (brought $1, left with $15 lol)
But some I'm not sure what hands are good or not.
I'm guessing I just don't know the odds, because now everyone has 4 cards and I'm guessing odds are a lot different from hold em...
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| Posted by: Xandit at November 4, 2005, 4:39 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Thanks for clearing that up. The same situation came up at my home game last night. Just for fun we played a pot limit omaha winner take all.
i flopped a stright and was all in, player called and caught a higher straight when his two cards played giving him the jack high straight and me the 10 high straight. LOL. Thanks everyone.
Xandit
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| Posted by: soadwes at November 4, 2005, 4:37 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
If you can hit a boat where your pair is higher than the pair on the board, that is where the biggest pots i've won have been. Ex. your hand = QQ69 the board = 78Q72. This gives you Q's full of 7's, which is a better hand than the people trying to hit a fullhouse with their 7x. Say they have Q7, they hit 2 pair on flop then a fullhouse 7's full of Q's. You will almost always take them all in with ease and win in a situation like this. Although i guess you could lose to quads, so be carefull... but that is pretty rare.
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| Posted by: starfall at November 4, 2005, 4:22 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
Yes you make the straight (using KT9 as noted before), but only on the river. You are also ulnerable to AK or AQ for a better straight (or a flush if it's possible), so it's a fairly ulnerable hand still. You'd be a lot happier seeing the Ace hit the river for the nut straight (risking a split only if there's no flush potential rather than losing entirely), or the last Jack (for quads and a certain win). The 10 or 4 pairing would also tend to be preferable to the 9 hitting generally as you'd make a Full House which was only ulnerable to a pocket pair of the same rank or pocket kings, which are less likely to be held by opponents than equal or better cards for a straight.
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| Posted by: t1riel at November 3, 2005, 7:03 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
You can make it 3 Jacks or a straight but since a straight beats 3 of a kind, you hit the straight.
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at November 3, 2005, 6:21 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
You play JQ from your hand, and KT9 from the board for the straight.
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| Posted by: Xandit at November 3, 2005, 6:15 pm | | Topic: Omaha question Forum: Card Chat |
I was playing low pot limit omaha today and a hand came up i have a question on. I know you have to play 2 cards from your hole cards.
What happens if you have a straight with QJ in you hand but on the board there is a J? Example: K J 10 4 9 My hole cards: J 2 Q J.
did i make the straight or just 3 J's?
does the Jack in my hand overide the one on the board?
Thanks in advace.
Xandit
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