| Posted by: vanquish at August 6, 2007, 5:10 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by captaincow
Btw does any1 know a place with alot of the common pot odds written down, would be handy for me to have that link so i can learn the more common ones.
Just search for an article on it, it's real simple to learn.
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| Posted by: captaincow at August 6, 2007, 4:58 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
Btw does any1 know a place with alot of the common pot odds written down, would be handy for me to have that link so i can learn the more common ones.
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| Posted by: Goldog at August 5, 2007, 12:39 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
Sit-N-Go tournaments are ery popular online. As the name implies, once a certain # of people have bought-in the tourny starts. The most common is 1 table of 9 or 10 players, but 2,3,5 even up to 20 tables are also available. The top finishers get paid. Some live Casinos have also started these.
Goldog
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| Posted by: captaincow at August 5, 2007, 10:51 am | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
DJ11 can u elaborate, ive never played a sit and go. do u find them at casinos or...?
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| Posted by: the-cure at August 4, 2007, 10:20 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
good info.. i need to read up on implied and pot odds.
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| Posted by: dj11 at August 4, 2007, 6:50 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by captaincow
yeah most of them dont play half as often as i do. thx for ur quick replies. hmmm i wish i could play some good opposition in live games, i know at a casino i will just get robbed of my money but it would be nice to have a buy-in, a certain number of chips and play from that. rather than using ur money for each bet. it would make the game more accessible for me :P know any places like that?
Sounds like a Sit'n'Go to me.
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| Posted by: jeffred1111 at August 4, 2007, 6:28 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
And calculating the odds of someone bluffing requires you to play a lot of hands with this particular person and is sometimes pretty difficult to do. This is why software that indicate different stats (namely agression) are ery helpful. Someone who is always agressive on flop but calms down on later streets when called is more likely to bluff than someone who will just call every street.
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| Posted by: jeffred1111 at August 4, 2007, 6:16 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
Effective odds are the odds you get from the pot with more than one card to come. You are a 1:4.22 underdog to fill a four-flush on the next card, but a 1 3/4 by the river. This doesn't mean you should take less than 4.22:1 on your money on a certain street because unless you are all-in, you'll have to put more money to see the next card.
For example, the pot is 50 and you are heads-up in a LHE game (10/25). You have a four-flush on the flop. You calling the first street is correct, but only if:
a) You only peel one card
b) you have reasonable chance to have the best hand right now and still have it on the turn (in order to stay in). Let's say you have paire a J and the flop is two of your suit.
This is because on the turn, your opponent will likely bet again, this time 25 in a 70, meaning you will have put 35 to win this 70 if you hit on the river. Not nearly enough to call in the first place if you only have flush outs and intend to go through with your hand. This is also why... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: captaincow at August 4, 2007, 4:11 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
how do u go about calculating odds of ur opponent bluffing? i tend to just work out how the two guys on my left and two on my right play, and make my choices from there. so can u explain how u calculate 'effective odds'
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| Posted by: jeffred1111 at August 3, 2007, 7:05 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
You should always calculate odds, and not just pot odds and implied odds, but also the odds of your opponent bluffing, betting third pair, etc.
This is how you gain an edge and end up winning in the long run, because even if you're a god at reading what your opponent has and make good laydowns preflop 100% of the time, you'll at best be break even if you make tiny mistakes over and over again postflop.
Effective odds are more of a limit concept, but can also help you refrain from making too many loose calls. Let's say you have AK of diamonds in the CO and your raise gets called by a MP player only. Pot is 400.
Flop comes 4d8d2s. Opponent bets 175 : you figure to have some implied odds (opponent has 3000 behind him after betting) Since you have so many outs, you call. Turn comes Qs.
Now, opponent bets 300 into the 700 pot. Should you have called in the first place ? If we take a look back, it is clear that our call was marginal at best if we intended to follow through... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: captaincow at August 3, 2007, 6:00 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
yeah most of them dont play half as often as i do. thx for ur quick replies. hmmm i wish i could play some good opposition in live games, i know at a casino i will just get robbed of my money but it would be nice to have a buy-in, a certain number of chips and play from that. rather than using ur money for each bet. it would make the game more accessible for me :P know any places like that?
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| Posted by: vanquish at August 3, 2007, 4:15 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
Implied odds in live games are the big cash cows.
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| Posted by: stormswa at August 3, 2007, 4:09 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pezjb
Sure, it sounds like they play more fun which means they are probably playing a lot of hands. If you are trying to make some money off them, sit tight and definitly calculate pot odds. It is sort of a natural thing in my head to do. For example if you have a flush draw postflop, the pot is $10 and they bet $20 into you.. there is no way you should call that.
adding on to this last sentense "unless you have good implied odds" but on flush draws its ery hard to get good implied odds because it is ery obvious when you hit. But since your friends dont seem like that strong of players maybe they are not good enough to lay down once the flush hits.
your implied odds are the money you are expected to win if you make your hand. So same example, if the pot is $10 and he bets $20 that makes $30 in pot and you have to call $20. Obviously these are terrible odds but if he has like $300 behind we "might" make this call because w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: pezjb at August 3, 2007, 11:04 am | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
Sure, it sounds like they play more fun which means they are probably playing a lot of hands. If you are trying to make some money off them, sit tight and definitly calculate pot odds. It is sort of a natural thing in my head to do. For example if you have a flush draw postflop, the pot is $10 and they bet $20 into you.. there is no way you should call that.
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| Posted by: captaincow at August 3, 2007, 10:46 am | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
You know in poker calculating pot odds is ital, well when you are playing with your friends on a fun poker night. I know they do not calculate these odds and therefore cannot calculate the correct bets to make. so my question is, is there much point in me calculating them if they dont?
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| Posted by: SHERMSTICK at December 2, 2006, 2:43 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
Don't Make These Poker Math Mistakes
*** QUESTION FROM A READER ***
I am a bit confused on calculating the % chance you will
make your hand (the chart you posted on your last
newsletter). On the flop you have 4 hearts, and the chance
of hitting your hand (flush) on the turn is 19.15%, and the
chance of hitting your hand on the river is 19.57%. So, at
the point of the flop, isn't your chance of hitting your
hand at the end 19.15 + 19.57 = 38.72%? My statistics is a
little rusty but I think the math is correct.
If this is correct it changes the pot odds to wining odds
considerably.
Please help me make sense out of this.
Thanks,
C.B.
>>> MY COMMENTS:
Great question.
It would seem that the odds of making your hand is 38.72%...
but that's NOT the case.
Also, it would seem that the odds of hitting on EITHER the
turn or river would improve your chances, and tha... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JeeDub84 at February 9, 2006, 3:03 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
Thank you ery much both of you. I was pretty sure that it was only your hole cards and the community cards taken out of the deck for odds but thanks for the clarification. Thank you as well for the good article Alon Ipser. I found it quite useful.
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| Posted by: MrSticker at February 7, 2006, 6:33 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
You use only the cards you CANNOT see. On the flop: 52 minus your 2 hole cards minus 3 board cards (52 - 2 - 3 = 47). Another card shown on the turn means you figure with 46.
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| Posted by: Alon Ipser at February 7, 2006, 6:31 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
http://www.cardschat.com/poker-odds-...plied-odds.php
There is a lot more good information under the articles tab at the top of the home page
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| Posted by: JeeDub84 at February 7, 2006, 6:15 pm | | Topic: Pot odds Forum: Card Chat |
i just needed some clarification on some pot odds. When you are calculating your outs to the number of cards left in the deck do you calculate the outs by all the cards minus your hole cards and the flop or all the cards dealt? Thanks to anyone who can clarify this for me.
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