| Posted by: stormswa at September 4, 2007, 12:50 pm | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by quazar66
I may be wrong about the casino part. From what I have seen I thought that It was illegal in most states and now the nation to gamble on games of chance against the house online. Not including poker. My source was a group of poker dealers talking about it.
the law makes it so the banks cant fund us. They are trying to make a exception for poker because it is a game of skill more then luck.
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| Posted by: stormswa at September 3, 2007, 8:34 am | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by quazar66
Because online casino play is considered illegal in their eyes. I think that is what started the whole poker gray area in the USA. Since poker is a skill gambling game It does not fall under the laws made in the past few years.
im guessing by your post you did not read the bill that was passed, playing is and was never illegal at all. funding your account through banks was illegal bottom line.
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| Posted by: stormswa at September 3, 2007, 12:50 am | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by quazar66
I just have one question for whoever account was frozen on blackjack. Are you from the USA. If this is true they may have done this to avoid the US Government and they legal hassles.
why would Ultimatebet just cancel a single persons account on Blackjack but leave the poker part open. He says he was just stopped from playing blackjack, they never said he couldnt withdraw.
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| Posted by: combuboom at September 3, 2007, 12:37 am | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Ultimate Bet has been known to do this numerous, numerous times before, literally a regular occurrence. There's clearly no way they think all these people have some sort of cheating software.. they're just incompetent jerks and probably know their support reputation is already ruined, so why bother trying to keep it good at this point
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| Posted by: stormswa at September 3, 2007, 12:17 am | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jack Daniels
This is just not true. Multiple decks has nothing to do with counting cards except that you have to use larger numbers. Live blackjack is absolutely beatable. The only thing they've done, in some casinos but not all, is to introduce the continuous shuffler that keeps adding all used cards back into the shuffle. Not only is there never a break in the play since shuffling is continuous (more hands per hour), but they eliminate much of the advantage that you can actually gain over manually dealt blackjack with a discard pile. But if you don't think live blackjack using six decks is beatable at all, it's time to pick up a book...I'd recommend "Knock-out Blackjack" by Vancura/Fuchs.
counting cards still only give you a ery ery ery ery slight advantage, think like less then a percent right?
Card counting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at September 2, 2007, 9:10 pm | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by stormswa
Live Blackjack is not beatable since they use multiple decks now its almost impossible to count cards and that is the only way to offset the house edge.
This is just not true. Multiple decks has nothing to do with counting cards except that you have to use larger numbers. Live blackjack is absolutely beatable. The only thing they've done, in some casinos but not all, is to introduce the continuous shuffler that keeps adding all used cards back into the shuffle. Not only is there never a break in the play since shuffling is continuous (more hands per hour), but they eliminate much of the advantage that you can actually gain over manually dealt blackjack with a discard pile. But if you don't think live blackjack using six decks is beatable at all, it's time to pick up a book...I'd recommend "Knock-out Blackjack" by Vancura/Fuchs.
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| Posted by: stormswa at September 2, 2007, 6:49 pm | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by jeffred1111
Live Blackjack is beatable, online is not.
Live Blackjack is not beatable since they use multiple decks now its almost impossible to count cards and that is the only way to offset the house edge. Blackjack like every single other casino game is geared towards the casino, how do you think they afford all those nice buildings?
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| Posted by: stormswa at September 2, 2007, 6:47 pm | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by johnjo
Actually, the reason they kick people out that are winning at blackjack in a live casino is solely because they believe they are counting cards.
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going to have to disagree here, I have seen many people be asked to leave games because they are winning too much. My buddie got forced off a roulette table because he was winning too much. They raised the stakes of the game for the purpose of making him quit.
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| Posted by: jeffred1111 at September 2, 2007, 6:04 pm | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
It's not the first time Ultimatebet froze an account because it was a winning Blackjack account (some posts on another forum wich I won't link to attest to this). It's true, you can only play if you lose and since they know you should lose (there's no way to beat online blackjack), they want players who run hot to stop minimizing their profits.
Live Blackjack is beatable, online is not.
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| Posted by: XXIII at September 2, 2007, 5:58 pm | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
I tried Blackjack. They hit 21 in 8 of the 10 hands I played. 4 of them were Blackjack. I don't know how you did well but I am willing to bet that its pretty damn rigged lol
Did ya try making another account and Xfering some cash over to that account?
EDIT: But if you want to help me screw over Ultimatebet feel free to tell me all the secrets to winning
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| Posted by: Wild Rivers at September 2, 2007, 1:59 pm | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by johnjo
I sent an email asking what's going on yesterday, even though it's obvious that it's cause i'm up over 5000 in the last week or so. I originally deposited 200, lost that in an hour, deposited another 200 an hour or so later and now you can see where I'm at.
They haven't responded and I know they won't. That place is such a joke anyhow. I've had nothing but problems from signing up for tournaments on to see that it never registered me, my money being frozen at the blackjack tables and me having to wait 10-15 minutes to be able to use it, disconnects.
Hell with that site. It's no wonder no real pros play there. Fulltilt and Pokerstars are the best sites.
Ultimatebet and Absolute recently merged, and they are offering FREE transfer of funds from one to the other. You may want to check into just transferring the money from Ultimatebet to Absolute, then see if you can crack their Blackjack in similar fashion! ROCK ON!!!
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at September 2, 2007, 1:10 pm | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by johnjo
I sent an email asking what's going on yesterday,
Well this was the correct first step.
Quote: Originally Posted by johnjo
even though it's obvious that it's cause i'm up over 5000 in the last week or so.
Gee I hope this attitude didn't fill up your e-mail to support and blow up into a giant accusatory e-mail. If you sent them an e-mail about how "they are scammers and now they stole your ******* money and ***** them and they locked your ***** account because there (sic) ***** **** *******. And they should ****** ***** ***** because it's your ***** ****** right", then you probably screwed yourself more than they ever did or were going to.
It's quite possible (based on that user msg you received) that your account was tagged by anti-fraud software used by companies like this to stop from being ripped off. It's extrememly sophisticated software and is developed/used by credit card companies... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dragnet at September 2, 2007, 12:39 pm | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by stormswa
why are you guys being so negative towards Ultimatebet?
you do know this happens in casinos every day? and guess what it is their right to do it. Let me explain, blackjack is a casino game and the casino has a edge in it. If a player seems to be beating a game that is statisticly in favor of the casino they will stop that player from playing. They do this by either raising the table stakes or basically just asking the player to find a game elsewhere. Poker is not the same thing as blackjack and in poker they could care less if you are winning but in blackjack that is their money you are winning and they have every right to stop you from playing.
Now if they don't give you your winnings that is a different situation but as for stopping you from playing that again is their right. Why do you think there are certain people that are not allowed in certain casinos? HELLO MIT blackjack team?
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at September 2, 2007, 11:30 am | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by stormswa
why are you guys being so negative towards Ultimatebet?
you do know this happens in casinos every day? and guess what it is their right to do it. Let me explain, blackjack is a casino game and the casino has a edge in it. If a player seems to be beating a game that is statisticly in favor of the casino they will stop that player from playing. They do this by either raising the table stakes or basically just asking the player to find a game elsewhere. Poker is not the same thing as blackjack and in poker they could care less if you are winning but in blackjack that is their money you are winning and they have every right to stop you from playing.
Now if they dont give you your winnings that is a different situation but as for stopping you from playing that again is their right. Why do you think there are certain people that are not allowed in certain casinos? HELLO MIT blackjack team?
Online Blackjack =/= Live BJ.
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| Posted by: TurnipHead at September 2, 2007, 10:42 am | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
You can still get your money out though, right?
All casino games have a house edge but Blackjack is the one that favours the player the most. Using a "Blackjack Strategy Card" (widely available on the net and in card magazines) and sticking to it religiously is one way of giving you the best chance. Most casinos actually don't mind you using these and some even make them readily available!!
You will lose between $0.50 and $1.50 per $100 bet but, as johnjo says, if you ease off and just put $1 in when the losing streak starts and then raise your bet at the end of a bad run then anything can happen. Also, a few well-timed big/small bets can certainly tip the balance.
But it should only really be played to blow or win some loose change or, in some cases, to clear the conditions of a "casino bonus" - this can certainly be profitable by the way.
johnjo, it seems like you've been on an incredibly good run. You have not cracked the system because you can... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: johnjo at September 2, 2007, 9:10 am | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by stormswa
why are you guys being so negative towards Ultimatebet?
you do know this happens in casinos every day? and guess what it is their right to do it. Let me explain, blackjack is a casino game and the casino has a edge in it. If a player seems to be beating a game that is statisticly in favor of the casino they will stop that player from playing. They do this by either raising the table stakes or basically just asking the player to find a game elsewhere. Poker is not the same thing as blackjack and in poker they could care less if you are winning but in blackjack that is their money you are winning and they have every right to stop you from playing.
Now if they dont give you your winnings that is a different situation but as for stopping you from playing that again is their right. Why do you think there are certain people that are not allowed in certain casinos? HELLO MIT blackjack team?
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| Posted by: stormswa at September 2, 2007, 8:33 am | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
why are you guys being so negative towards Ultimatebet?
you do know this happens in casinos every day? and guess what it is their right to do it. Let me explain, blackjack is a casino game and the casino has a edge in it. If a player seems to be beating a game that is statisticly in favor of the casino they will stop that player from playing. They do this by either raising the table stakes or basically just asking the player to find a game elsewhere. Poker is not the same thing as blackjack and in poker they could care less if you are winning but in blackjack that is their money you are winning and they have every right to stop you from playing.
Now if they dont give you your winnings that is a different situation but as for stopping you from playing that again is their right. Why do you think there are certain people that are not allowed in certain casinos? HELLO MIT blackjack team?
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| Posted by: jsi at September 2, 2007, 4:46 am | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully this will get resolved.
Personally, UltimateBet is on my blacklist. Deposited $100 there when i first started out online poker last February. A day or two later, my account was locked. They asked me fax all kinds of personal info to alidate the account, ie: driver license, front and back of the credit card, property tax bills etc. I refused and asked for a refund to the original credit card used for the deposit. They promptly refused and forfeited the money in the account and pointed me to their user agreement, which pretty much says they can do whatever the fugg they want whenever they want. Ex:
"The Company reserves the right to cancel your UltimateBet account for any reason whatsoever at any time without notice to you."
I moved to PokerStars immediately, won about $70 freeroll money, been playing with that since and never had to make a deposit, and hopefully never will...
Ultimatebet sucks the big one, imo...
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| Posted by: johnjo at September 2, 2007, 3:53 am | | Topic: Ultimatebet disables my account from blackjack 'cause I'm winning too much Forum: Card Chat |
I sent an email asking what's going on yesterday, even though it's obvious that it's cause i'm up over 5000 in the last week or so. I originally deposited 200, lost that in an hour, deposited another 200 an hour or so later and now you can see where I'm at.
They haven't responded and I know they won't. That place is such a joke anyhow. I've had nothing but problems from signing up for tournaments on to see that it never registered me, my money being frozen at the blackjack tables and me having to wait 10-15 minutes to be able to use it, disconnects.
Hell with that site. It's no wonder no real pros play there. Fulltilt and Pokerstars are the best sites.
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