| Posted by: Makwa at October 8, 2007, 11:57 pm | | Topic: tourney win percentage? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by reglardave
To be realistic, and ITM rate of 20-25% is acceptable, but you have to consider your ROI as the big factor in assessing ypur progress and performance. Keep tabs on your cash br and tourney br as 2 seperate entities for a while, and look at how you stack up.
Right, txs for helping me think this through a bit better. I have only been a tourney hound for a couple of months, but my ITM is comfortable at 35 - 30%, with some final table and final 3 finishes.
I track my ring games also separately.
I may start putting some real money into tourneys. I have to get off the current merrygoround tho; they take tons of my time and attention (as opposed to dropping into rings here and there to give or take fast hits), so if ROI includes my time, I can only count this as a learning (not real income generating) experience for now. But watch out.
FRs, forums and chat support have really helped me get a foothold in tourney life ove... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: reglardave at October 8, 2007, 6:49 am | | Topic: tourney win percentage? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Makwa
Sure, I think there is more slow and steady grinding out wins in the ring. BUT, I am inspired by Jesus' Zero to Hero campaign, and note that he did it largely w tourneys. Hmmmmmm......
To get back to my basic question, what is an expected win (in the money) percentage for lo limit tourneys?
MM
To be realistic, and ITM rate of 20-25% is acceptable, but you have to consider your ROI as the big factor in assessing ypur progress and performance. Keep tabs on your cash br and tourney br as 2 seperate entities for a while, and look at how you stack up.
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| Posted by: Makwa at October 7, 2007, 1:13 am | | Topic: tourney win percentage? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by dj11
If you feel comfortable in the ring, and are profitable there, tourney's might not be the format for you.
The allure of the big tourney win notwithstanding, an good ring player will usually outdo most tourney money and do it on a more friendly time schedule.
However, the tourney overlay is, as I said, most alluring.
Sure, I think there is more slow and steady grinding out wins in the ring. BUT, I am inspired by Jesus' Zero to Hero campaign, and note that he did it largely w tourneys. Hmmmmmm......
To get back to my basic question, what is an expected win (in the money) percentage for lo limit tourneys?
MM
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| Posted by: phatjose at October 7, 2007, 1:06 am | | Topic: tourney win percentage? Forum: Card Chat |
I am ery much a ring game player and found the transition to tourney life kind of difficult at first. With ring games, it's easy to sit back and wait for the action to come to you. Picking your spots to blind steal, and generally just waiting for quality hands.
With tourneys, you don't always get that option, and sometimes you have to force the action.
The fundamentals are still the same though. Get a read on your opponent(s), and make well timed moves. I've found that being able to easily switch gears is much more important in a tourney than a ring game.
Personally, I play in at least 2 15-20 person home sit-n-gos per week (thursday night), plus whatever other days I decide to find a game. Played 6 live sit-n-gos last week, won one, cashed in two others. I try and basically break even in the tourneys, and make money in my ring games. Partly because I use one of my thursday games as a playground to test out new styles/gears, and partly because it's just a bunch of friends so... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dj11 at October 7, 2007, 12:30 am | | Topic: tourney win percentage? Forum: Card Chat |
If you feel comfortable in the ring, and are profitable there, tourney's might not be the format for you.
The allure of the big tourney win notwithstanding, an good ring player will usually outdo most tourney money and do it on a more friendly time schedule.
However, the tourney overlay is, as I said, most alluring.
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| Posted by: Makwa at October 7, 2007, 12:19 am | | Topic: tourney win percentage? Forum: Card Chat |
K, Im a ring table guy but have been drawn into tourneys recently, largely through groups such as this. So far I am bubbling at about 30% of entries, in FRs and dimers, a few final tables. A bit better at SNGs.
So all you tourney pros, I would like to know what kind of bubble percentage I should looking at be at to be doing well.
Annie Duke says if you win two a year (first in major tourneys I guess) you are doing great. Right now I am playing a dozen tourneys a day at piddling stakes, when I could be making money, including bonuses and rakeback, at the stud tables.
Am I wasting my time???
Makwa
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