| Posted by: Goldog at November 1, 2007, 11:29 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
I tested the dreaded "cashout curse" in Oct.
Usually I win a number of tournies, cashout some winnings and promptly go on a losong streak.
"MUST BE RIGGED" I say.
So in the beginning of Oct I was up and DIDN'T cashout. I'll show them
I lost my A** for the entire month.
I just suck!
goldog
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at November 1, 2007, 10:26 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pigpen02
I wondered what happened to that other cat. It's OK though, he had lots of bartonella henselae in him. I hope you recover.
Seem to be feeling fine (feline?...ha)...anyway, I think deep frying the pieces killed off any bacteria...made a great sweet and sour kitten...mmmmmm
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| Posted by: pigpen02 at November 1, 2007, 6:07 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jack Daniels
Cat...the other white meat.
I wondered what happened to that other cat. It's OK though, he had lots of bartonella henselae in him. I hope you recover.
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| Posted by: Egon Towst at November 1, 2007, 5:25 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
You know, guys, we have all (including me) ripped OP to shreds, but I suspect his intentions were good.
He expressed himself poorly and fell into some woolly thinking, but I believe that all he really wanted to say was that the rigged/not rigged argument has been done to death and we should just let it drop and agree to differ.
In those terms, it`s not an unreasonable point of iew.
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| Posted by: aliengenius at November 1, 2007, 1:36 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by kcanuck
From the OP
Meanwhile, there are people who scoff any time someone suggests that online poker might be rigged. Most likely resist the idea out of contempt for people who don't have their "insiderness" when it comes to winning poker play. A number are winning players and don't want to consider the possibility that they're winning unfairly.
Please explain...the last sentence in particular.
Yeah, I too wonder what the selection criteria is for who the sites "pick" to be winners? Please enlighten us!
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at November 1, 2007, 3:09 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pigpen02
Well, if a cat thiniks it is serious, it is serious. Cats are never wrong. Especially white cats. One fourth of my cats are white.
Cat...the other white meat.
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| Posted by: kcanuck at November 1, 2007, 2:22 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
From the OP
Meanwhile, there are people who scoff any time someone suggests that online poker might be rigged. Most likely resist the idea out of contempt for people who don't have their "insiderness" when it comes to winning poker play. A number are winning players and don't want to consider the possibility that they're winning unfairly.
Please explain...the last sentence in particular.
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| Posted by: belladonna05 at October 31, 2007, 10:41 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Egon Towst
I ote against. CC would lose a large part of its entertainment alue if it didn`t have at least one live muppet at all times.
wacka wacka wacka
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| Posted by: reglardave at October 31, 2007, 10:37 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pigpen02
Can we have a majority ote on a thread lock, ban, something?
Nah, none of that is necessary; as a semi-official road test, this thread is being:
KABONGED!
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| Posted by: Egon Towst at October 30, 2007, 9:27 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pigpen02
Can we have a majority ote on a thread lock, ban, something?
I ote against. CC would lose a large part of its entertainment alue if it didn`t have at least one live muppet at all times.
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at October 30, 2007, 6:53 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinkikos
So how about we stop these stupid Romper Room threads where all people do is insult each other because they're discussing an emotional issue and being emotional about it?
Bearing this in mind, what made you think posting this thread would be a good idea? Pretty obvious it would at some point exactly that which you're objecting to, imo.
Oh, and Absolute admitted it btw (and the evidence was indisputable from the beginning if you actually know about poker and stuff ).
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| Posted by: thasauce7 at October 30, 2007, 6:47 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
I see what you are saying, but I'm pretty sure in this case it doesn't work like that. If your talking about who killed Kennedy or something like that, the type of argument you provided would be sufficient to not be considered correct or incorrect, but rather a statement of facts are facts and observations or opinions have no bearing on what really happened.
But this is poker. There is no changing what cards were dealt, there is no arguing the math on compiled hands that match up correctly with the given odds. Take that absolute thread for example, a group of players noticed that the information they compiled did not add up with the accepted alues for any player ever and investigated. Now look where that brought them.
In regards to being rigged or not rigged the game of poker can be approached by mathematical methods that you would use in places like a physics lab. What I mean by that is using percent errors, standard deviation, samples, and other calculations to decide if everything a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: aliengenius at October 30, 2007, 6:30 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinkikos
I'm not sure how the issue of online poker being rigged or not yields to an ontological argument. And the example you provided is highly empirical because it relies on disproof by counterexample. What I believe you're doing in that first paragraph is deliberately posting a lot of claptrap in order to test me and see if I'll catch on. Or perhaps to pat yourself on the back about how superior you folks from the U.K. are because you're sure I *shan't* catch on.
Yeah... I pretty sure you *shan't* catch on:
1. You don't seem to have a ery good grasp of geography, so we can't really assume you have that much going on in other areas, such as following an argument, either.
To wit:
2. "disproof by counterexample" is exactly the point: those who claim poker is rigged don't get to assume their position is correct until proven otherwise by the opposite side-- THEY have to provide the proof for their claim; same thing as me claiming... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MrSticker at October 30, 2007, 5:34 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinkikos
BTW, having Absolute come out and say "yes, we're rigged" is also indirect evidence. It's conceivable they're lying. Until someone I trust analyzes the source code of their software for me and/or the debug log of their server while it ran the software, I don't believe anyone arguing either way has a leg to stand on.
LMAO!!!! Yeah. That would be the perfect thing to lie about. "Let's tell everyone we were hacked! That will surely make us even MORE money!" Sure, that's the ticket.
This thread is the one of the "Romper-Room-iest". Where is your magic mirror, dude?
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| Posted by: reglardave at October 30, 2007, 5:22 pm | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
By God, I've been deluded all along, and to your everlasting credit, I have seen the light. Not only was I under the impression that online poker was not rigged, I had completely missed the fact that Buffalo,NY had relocated to the UK. As a token of my esteem, I offer this:
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| Posted by: Kinkikos at October 30, 2007, 10:24 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by aliengenius
This is just false. In any ontological argument the burden of proof is always on the "yes/pro" side. Those claiming "no" don't have to prove anything, or offer any proactive evidence for their side of the argument. For example: I claim that there are pink elephants the size of cats, if you don't think so, provide evidence that there isn't.
It's true that science is based on inductive (not deductive) logic. As such, evidence and arguments can only lend a "degree" of credibility to an argument: if we observe that the sun rises in the east everyday and sets in the west everyday for x amount of days/trials, we can "conclude" that the same thing will happen tomorrow. To that effect I offer you this in regard to poker sites not being rigged.
I'm not sure how the issue of online poker being rigged or not yields to an ontological argument. And the example you provided is highly empirical because i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Kinkikos at October 30, 2007, 10:12 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by rob5775
If you want I can link you to more than two dozen threads where this argument has played out in THIS FORUM ALONE!
And you never answered my question. WTF do you think is rigged?
My sarcasm in above blue did not reach you. Why would you make a post about not making any more "rigged" posts and then do one yourself? Lovely.
Spoken like a true fanatic. Whenever someone tries to take an independent third-party position, immediately accuse him of being a member of The Enemy. So you, being on the Poker Is Clean Fanatics side of things, deliberately misread my posts to be saying "poker is rigged."
But a careful reader will see that I'm not. What I've obviously said is that there are ery specific criteria that have to be met before anyone can claim knowledge that online poker is or is not rigged.
And a careful reader will see that your claim that I've started a "poker is rigged" threa... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: rob5775 at October 30, 2007, 6:19 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Thank you AG.... again. The link you posted was exactly what I was looking for. And your argument was just what I wanted to say but due to my intoxication... well, I couldn't. Try me during the daylight hours, pacific standard.
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| Posted by: aliengenius at October 30, 2007, 6:09 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinkikos
And the people who insist online poker is _not_ rigged have no more direct evidence to support their position than the people who say it is. They're talking out of their rear end too.
This is just false. In any ontological argument the burden of proof is always on the "yes/pro" side. Those claiming "no" don't have to prove anything, or offer any proactive evidence for their side of the argument. For example: I claim that there are pink elephants the size of cats, if you don't think so, provide evidence that there isn't.
It's true that science is based on inductive (not deductive) logic. As such, evidence and arguments can only lend a "degree" of credibility to an argument: if we observe that the sun rises in the east everyday and sets in the west everyday for x amount of days/trials, we can "conclude" that the same thing will happen tomorrow. To that effect I offer you this in regard to poker... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: rob5775 at October 30, 2007, 5:27 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
If you want I can link you to more than two dozen threads where this argument has played out in THIS FORUM ALONE!
And you never answered my question. WTF do you think is rigged?
My sarcasm in above blue did not reach you. Why would you make a post about not making any more "rigged" posts and then do one yourself? Lovely.
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| Posted by: Kinkikos at October 30, 2007, 5:03 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quoting:
LOL... are you serious? So beyond the fact that many have compared hundreds of thousands of hands and they match up with statistical percentages and ariance isn't good enough for you?
Reply:
Yes, I'm ery serious. That's INDIRECT evidence. Indirect evidence can only suggest that something is the case. Only direct evidence can be conclusive.
BTW, having Absolute come out and say "yes, we're rigged" is also indirect evidence. It's conceivable they're lying. Until someone I trust analyzes the source code of their software for me and/or the debug log of their server while it ran the software, I don't believe anyone arguing either way has a leg to stand on.
Keep in mind that accusations of cheating are the matter taken most seriously in poker over its history. In the distant past people died for making that allegation. I propose we go back to being serious about it.
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| Posted by: rob5775 at October 30, 2007, 3:24 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinkikos
So people who say online poker is rigged are talking out of their butt.
Right... so where's this thread going?
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinkikos
And still others, I suspect, are planted in fora such as this one by poker sites themselves in order to ridicule and discredit those who clue into possible poker site dishonesty.
Correct again... they pay me in beer.
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinkikos
And the people who insist online poker is _not_ rigged have no more direct evidence to support their position than the people who say it is. They're talking out of their rear end too.
LOL... are you serious? So beyond the fact that many have compared hundreds of thousands of hands and they match up with statistical percentages and ariance isn't good enough for you?
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinkikos
So how about we stop these stupid Romper Room thre... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: lilybo at October 30, 2007, 3:09 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
lol just 2nite after i beat so and so with my A?c fl 2 his k?c fl, he went on and on bout being rigged, i asked him was it rigged 4 me 2 win or him 2 lose was 22funny
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| Posted by: pigpen02 at October 30, 2007, 2:14 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinkikos
I'm posting this because I took an extended break from this forum without disabling email notification of replies. The only notifications I've been receiving over the past two months are in the "Where did you learn to play?" and "Absolute is rigged" threads, and the latter has degenerated into exactly the kind of childish is not/is too discussion I'm complaining about.
You need to re-read that thread. Absolute admits it.
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| Posted by: Kinkikos at October 30, 2007, 1:53 am | | Topic: Romper Room is not/is too threads Forum: Card Chat |
There are people who say online poker sites are rigged. Many have experienced bad beats, and many of those are thinking human beings or highly intuitive ones who believe they have solid reason to be suspicious. There are also stats-minded people who present indirect evidence that is generally considered solid to show that cheating and/or rigging has gone on. And everybody who has played online poker for any significant amount of hands knows that there _are_ fly-by-night operations that abscond with people's money and resist cashout attempts, so who's to say some of them don't also rig their software?
On the other hand, I haven't seen direct evidence of a poker site being rigged. Such direct evidence would be source code for the poker software as reviewed by a qualified expert, or possibly a debug dump from the server where the software is being run, again as reviewed by a qualified expert. NOTHING else counts as direct evidence. So people who say online poker is rigged are talking out of their ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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