| Posted by: dweezel at November 13, 2007, 2:34 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
[quote=aliengenius;653699]Where would you rather bust out?
Thinking about it I guess the correct answer here is
D) never....I want to win it all.
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| Posted by: dweezel at November 13, 2007, 2:29 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Busting out early gets me all out of joint. It's like why did I even sit down and waste a piece of my bankroll on this.
Being the bubble boy is disappointing and usually happens when I get it all-in with the best hand and get unlucky. But I got to go deep and hopefully I learned a few things.
What really makes me mad is when I bust out about half way through. I'm building a nice stack,catching some cards and all of a sudden BAM I do something stupid and "poof" I'm on the rail.... Thats the worst.
Probably because I know I made a bad move or moves and the reason I'm on the rail is because of what I did and I can't blame the dreaded "Random number generator"
Oh, and the RNG never saves me when I make a bad move.
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| Posted by: Steveg1976 at November 13, 2007, 1:50 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Given a choice I would rather be first out and save the hours of time spent with nothing to show for it.
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| Posted by: Wonka22 at November 13, 2007, 1:47 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
I hate bubbling out. But, I also hate sitting on my hands for 15 minutes while those 10 people go out......it's a double edged sword i'll tell ya
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| Posted by: chiefer77 at November 12, 2007, 8:41 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
well, i hate to bubble just as much as everyone else. but i'm the type of person that wants to gain something from every experience, no matter how insignificant. since bubble play is a big part of the game, i feel that there is more to be learned. so the next time i am faced with the same bubble situation, i can look back and see what mistakes i made.
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| Posted by: aliengenius at November 12, 2007, 8:40 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
i don't really understand why people are agreeing with this - what's stopping you from gaining experience having been the first person out by simply starting another tourney?
edit: oted bastard ob
Well, the dilemma is of course an artificial one. I was assuming a little "charity" here with the choice. But, if you want more parameters: say you only were able to play one tournament that day/weekend; or if you want to make it even more philosophical, how about the famous "evil demon" who gives you the choice if first out s. bubble for your next x number tournaments (no fair arguing that you would just play them all back to back to get through them, or I'll make x = the rest of your life ).
Something like this:
Quote: Originally Posted by combuboom
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| Posted by: combuboom at November 12, 2007, 7:56 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
i don't really understand why people are agreeing with this - what's stopping you from gaining experience having been the first person out by simply starting another tourney?
edit: oted bastard ob
well i guess nothing's necessarily stopping you, but i suppose some people might not want to play another tourney after going first out due to tilt and/or ****-this reasons. or they'd play another and go out early as well. if you bubble, it means you were committed to playing for at least x amount of time, x being pretty long if it's a MTT. still, i don't think that little experience is generally worth all that time + the cost of the buy-in
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| Posted by: vanquish at November 12, 2007, 7:56 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Being first out would make me feel much better than bubbling in that I know that I won't jam 400 BBs early in the tournament unless I know I'm making the right play, and if I get knocked out it means I got badbeeted, whereas bubbling would mean that I didn't build a big enough stack to be much of a force anyway (plus it hurtz )
Voted first out.
Also experience gained within however much more time you spend playing if you bubble rather than being first out is almost negligible even if you don't play another tournament (it's like, what, 300 hands? - though live play might change this slightly.
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| Posted by: Figuresforher at November 12, 2007, 7:49 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
i don't really understand why people are agreeing with this - what's stopping you from gaining experience having been the first person out by simply starting another tourney?
edit: oted bastard ob
Well i agree with what your saying, however, with my tournament exeperience if i go out first its usually on some guy that had to run and my ten hand gets busted by a 74o. Therefore in my scenario if i go out first, i basically learned nothing besides people like to go all-in early tourny.
Maybe on higher levels of poker you can gain more from an early exit.
-mos
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| Posted by: DaFrench1 at November 12, 2007, 7:34 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Personally, I feel worse about going out early than on the bubble. Going out early affects my pride, while bubbling says to me I didn't make it but I coulda been a contender.
I did one of those free-rolls on stars the other day that only gives 27 spots to a round 2 game and finished 29th. That was real sore and took about 5 and a half hours!
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| Posted by: cjroc at November 12, 2007, 7:28 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
I oted BASTARD. Because any finish that's not in the money is lame imo.
I also oted bastard because it's usually the first word out of my mouth when someone eliminates me on the bubble or knocks me out first.
BASTARD! You F*cking Bastard!
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| Posted by: Egon Towst at November 12, 2007, 7:15 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
what's stopping you from gaining experience having been the first person out by simply starting another tourney?
I concur.
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| Posted by: Monoxide at November 12, 2007, 6:33 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
first one out of course, less time lost for the same amount of money lost.
bubble is like, look I just wasted 4 hours!
just IMO
This is online of course. God id be pissed if I went out first on a live tourney given my extremely low live poker playing id feel like a donk.
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| Posted by: Genso Hikki at November 12, 2007, 4:19 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
I oted bubble. It's just painful knowing that you were so close and frustrating knowing all the time you spent was for nothing (money wise).
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| Posted by: Small Town Playboy at November 12, 2007, 3:39 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
was playing last night in live tourney and got knockedot on the bubble. was really annoyed. got all my money in with A10 and was up against 66 so basically 50/50. flop comes down A3A i was happy but not exstatic cause a 6 would still knock me out and course a 6 comes on the river. was annoyed but gained lot of repect from people playing and watchin so i would rather go out on the bubble than first out cause no one thinks that guy is a good player
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| Posted by: K_Kahne_Fan at November 12, 2007, 3:24 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
I picked bubble, but it really depends on the tourney...
Live - Bubble, you can get reads on the other players for the next time you play. Depending on the tourney, you drove/flew to where the tourney is and you may not be able to register for another one for a couple of hours, days, months...
Online - 1st, you can usually hop into another tourney within minutes, at least a minimum of a day. If it's a big tourney, maybe a week.
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| Posted by: quads at November 12, 2007, 3:00 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
This question of where would you choose to bust out, first hand or bubble is a rather dumb one.
If, I had a choice I certainly don’t want to spend 4 to 8 or more hours online, and maybe days in a large live game, wasting my time and money in a tournament, only to get busted on the bubble.
As far as looking at that scenario has a learning tool. Maybe a rookie might appreciate that, but for me, please give me a fn break
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| Posted by: KingCurtis at November 12, 2007, 2:47 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
just the feeling of busting out on the bubble is way worse than busting out early...other than the fact of gaining some experience....it just fells horibble knowing that you played 3 hours and gained no money....
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| Posted by: Chris_TC at November 12, 2007, 12:25 pm | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
If I have Kings and my opponent kicks me out of the tournament with Queens, I won't mind ery much if this happens in one of the first hands. I'll just start the next tournament and that's that. I didn't lose a lot of time.
However, if I've played a great game the entire tournament and the above thing happens on the bubble it'll p!ss me off pretty badly. I just lost hours and hours of good play to a suckout -> what a waste.
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at November 12, 2007, 11:30 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by chiefer77
i'd rather bubble, the experience and knowledge gained makes the 2.5 hours worth the while. knowledge is power.
i don't really understand why people are agreeing with this - what's stopping you from gaining experience having been the first person out by simply starting another tourney?
edit: oted bastard ob
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| Posted by: wsorbust at November 12, 2007, 9:25 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
I oted bastard. Both choices involve losing. Losing is no fun. They're both quite possibly equally painful.
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| Posted by: combuboom at November 12, 2007, 9:10 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by chiefer77
i'd rather bubble, the experience and knowledge gained makes the 2.5 hours worth the while. knowledge is power.
this is actually really good reasoning and all but **** i hate bubbling, so i picked first out
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| Posted by: aliengenius at November 12, 2007, 6:09 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by dj11
If it be, then so be it! I used to think that duration was some sort of measure of something. I don't think that way so much anymore. If I make it to the bubble, as I did at least once this weekend, and blow it, it is so much more painful than a first out, which I also did this weekend.
I feel your pain.
Quote: Originally Posted by OzExorcist
I think bubbling is by far the better result - trouble is, it's the more painful one too.
There's not really a lot to analyse if you go out first. But if I bubble, I invariably end up going through the "Did I really play my best?" / "If only that" routine.
Educational, just not a lot of fun
Yeah, but the pain, oh it hurts...
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| Posted by: Figuresforher at November 12, 2007, 6:05 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
I have bubbled in 2 or 3 freerolls the past few nights and i also have been first 200 out.
As much as i have learned in bubbling, i think i much rather take my 2 hours that i lost and spend them on some sort of work. Or productive family time.
However, i am not questioning the knowledge is power nor the fact that bubbling makes you hungrier and teaches a aluable lesson.
My ote: first out
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| Posted by: OzExorcist at November 12, 2007, 6:03 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
I think bubbling is by far the better result - trouble is, it's the more painful one too.
There's not really a lot to analyse if you go out first. But if I bubble, I invariably end up going through the "Did I really play my best?" / "If only that" routine.
Educational, just not a lot of fun
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| Posted by: dj11 at November 12, 2007, 6:01 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
If it be, then so be it! I used to think that duration was some sort of measure of something. I don't think that way so much anymore. If I make it to the bubble, as I did at least once this weekend, and blow it, it is so much more painful than a first out, which I also did this weekend.
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| Posted by: aliengenius at November 12, 2007, 6:00 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by chiefer77
i'd rather bubble, the experience and knowledge gained makes the 2.5 hours worth the while. knowledge is power.
^^ this is another point I was just going to add. Usually you can learn some kind of lesson, often a ery good one if you bubble.
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| Posted by: chiefer77 at November 12, 2007, 5:58 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
i'd rather bubble, the experience and knowledge gained makes the 2.5 hours worth the while. knowledge is power.
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| Posted by: royalburrito24 at November 12, 2007, 5:52 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
first out-
1) mainly its because of a bad beat, i do not go all in ahead with my opponent having many outs
2) nothing i hate more than playing a tournament for 2.5 hours and then bubbling on a bad decision/mediocre hand/ bad beat
much rather be first out
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| Posted by: aliengenius at November 12, 2007, 5:50 am | | Topic: first out vs. bubble Forum: Card Chat |
Where would you rather bust out?
Bubble: maybe you played well, and just got unlucky, so you can be happy there (?), maybe you get points in any series/leader-boards you are in, if a big live event you get experience that will help you next time and "bang for your buck".
First out: you feel like the biggest donkey in the tournament, but you can use the time you "saved" to either play a different game or do something else.
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