| Posted by: MrDaMan at November 18, 2007, 6:56 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Consistence is what I've been striving for. How do the pros consistently end up at or near the final table in those mega tournaments?
In every poker book I've read the writer insists that you are always learning something new, like chess you find yourself progressing through levels, up and down the scale, right when you think your at the top, something else presents itself and you go... WOW! why didn't I think of that before?!
It's different for everyone, poker is such an individualistic game and luck is such a huge factor that you really need to learn the skill of maximizing luck itself.
The statistics, the math, the probabilities show we each have roughly an equal amount of luck. The pros maximize their time at the tables when they are running good, and minimize their time at the tables when they are running bad.
Staying withing your bankroll management scheme, keeping your emotions under control, your sense of awareness heightened so that when you play TAG,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jeffred1111 at November 18, 2007, 6:22 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Maybe you play more of a tight-passive game all around and only get agressive when you have the nuts/near-nuts, thus you don't actually switch between two games/style, but become more or less of a calling station depending on tilt/being bored/exterior factors ? There's no shame in admitting this to yourself, I do play more like this than I'd like altough I'm working on it.
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| Posted by: belladonna05 at November 17, 2007, 8:44 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Blazing_Saddler
Something I have found helpful, is to write myself notes on a bit of paper.
Seeing something in black and white, makes it sink in to the brain
The start of my notes says something along these lines
Take your time !!!
Position Postion Position
You know you are beat, Fold !
Sounds a stupid thing to do, but it has worked for me, i have a page full of notes, telling me what I shouldn't do
Great basic advice but somehow I think they would look at me strange at the tables if I was cribbing notes lol.
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| Posted by: belladonna05 at November 17, 2007, 8:43 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Cheetah
Belladonna, it seems to me you should be spanked. PMS or not! Am I correct?
Wrong belladonna
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| Posted by: Boltneck at November 16, 2007, 9:41 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Well, for what it's worth here is my philosophy on the subject. It's a bit of a generalisation (which is never a good thing) but hopefully you will understand where I am coming from.
1) If I am 1st to act - If I believe that I have the strongest hand, why would I do anything but bet? I want to get money in the pot, and a don't want to give someone with a drawing hand the luxury of a free card. Okay, so what if I don't think I have the strongest hand? Well, I ask myself "if I check, and someone bets into me, will I call or will I fold? If the answer is that I will call, I may as well bet in the first place, rather than checking then calling the bet! Okay, I may get raised but at least that gives me a little more infrmation about my opponent.
2) If I am not first to act, and someone bets into me - if I believe that I have the strongest hand, why would I not raise? If I believe I don't have the strongest hand, but I have a good drawing hand, I ask myself if I have the pot odds to cal... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Blazing_Saddler at November 16, 2007, 9:05 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Something I have found helpful, is to write myself notes on a bit of paper.
Seeing something in black and white, makes it sink in to the brain
The start of my notes says something along these lines
Take your time !!!
Position Postion Position
You know you are beat, Fold !
Sounds a stupid thing to do, but it has worked for me, i have a page full of notes, telling me what I shouldn't do
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| Posted by: WVHillbilly at November 16, 2007, 12:26 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Playing multiple tables may work if the problem is truly boredom, but if the that's not the issue you'll just end up losing your bankroll twice as fast.
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| Posted by: YoungGunKid at November 15, 2007, 10:17 pm | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
there were some great pieces of advice in this thread,Im thoroughly impressed with the amount of quality responses.Nice job and play multiple tables or listen to music to keep from being bored at the table
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| Posted by: Cheetah at November 15, 2007, 2:34 pm | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by belladonna05
Exactly, and lay off pms week. Which is easier said then done for me.
Belladonna, it seems to me you should be spanked. PMS or not! Am I correct?
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| Posted by: belladonna05 at November 15, 2007, 9:14 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Cheetah
King, if I understand belladonna correctly, her problem is that she deviates from a TAG style and devolves into a calling station. If my understanding is correct, then I think she should NOT try to diversify her play, but do the opposite --- have a ery tight aggressive game that is consistant.
In addition, it occurred to me that boredom might be the reason for that. Being tight is a ery boring excercise. It is well known that watching paint dry is much more exciting.
If boredom is the reason for calling station tendencies, then I would do one of the following:Shorten my sessionsWatch TV while playingPlay more than one table
Exactly, and lay off pms week. Which is easier said then done for me.
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| Posted by: Cheetah at November 15, 2007, 4:33 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by KingNothing4
i think like said above u have to keep ur play arying, this keeps ppl from being able to read u, thats pretty key. it helps u bluff and suck in players as well. i dont think i usually play n e same hand the same way...most usually i play it a little different.
King, if I understand belladonna correctly, her problem is that she deviates from a TAG style and devolves into a calling station. If my understanding is correct, then I think she should NOT try to diversify her play, but do the opposite --- have a ery tight aggressive game that is consistant.
In addition, it occurred to me that boredom might be the reason for that. Being tight is a ery boring excercise. It is well known that watching paint dry is much more exciting.
If boredom is the reason for calling station tendencies, then I would do one of the following:Shorten my sessionsWatch TV while playingPlay more than one table
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| Posted by: KingNothing4 at November 15, 2007, 2:17 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
i think like said above u have to keep ur play arying, this keeps ppl from being able to read u, thats pretty key. it helps u bluff and suck in players as well. i dont think i usually play n e same hand the same way...most usually i play it a little different.
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| Posted by: Cheetah at November 14, 2007, 10:54 pm | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schatzdog
Quote: Originally Posted by belladonna05
Yes I love his theory of poker book and I always try to remember that advice, but sometimes its like I've lost my mind. I need to cut and paste that sentence about good poker and keep it on top of the cardroom and maybe lay off poker on pms week?
Please don't mention this ever again.
Why not? This is a alid consideration.
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| Posted by: Schatzdog at November 14, 2007, 9:54 pm | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
[quote=belladonna05;654961]Yes I love his theory of poker book and I always try to remember that advice, but sometimes its like I've lost my mind. I need to cut and paste that sentence about good poker and keep it on top of the cardroom and maybe lay off poker on pms week?
Please don't mention this ever again.
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| Posted by: belladonna05 at November 14, 2007, 8:48 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schatzdog
I'm going to make the assumption that you're a cash game player. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The best piece of advice I've got for this was from Sklansky who basically said, look at your play as one continuous poker session. When this concept sinks in you'll find your play will be a bit more consistent with what you're trying to achieve. You'll lose that impulse to "make something happen". You'll have a wider perspective of your play.
Also, you're going to have down sessions even when you play great poker. That's the game. Forget about your equity curve and concentrate on making good poker decisions at the table.
Hope this helps.
Yes I love his theory of poker book and I always try to remember that advice, but sometimes its like I've lost my mind. I need to cut and paste that sentence about good poker and keep it on top of the cardroom and maybe lay off poker on pms week?
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| Posted by: Cheetah at November 14, 2007, 7:27 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
belladonna05, try to automatically consider calling as the last option. It often is the least attractive.
If first to act, the first choice to consider should be bet, then fold, and then open-limp(or check).
If there is a bet already, calling is the strongest actions of all and should be done only with ery strong hands or when the odds are correct.
If you are callilng too much, you are probably not getting the right odds.
I am ecnlosing a small odds chart you can post on your monitor. I created it when I first started playing poker and it is still on my monitor. You can always consult it and make sure you are not making bad calls.
The Odds 1 column are the pot odds with one card to come. Say on the flop, the odds to hit your draw on the turn.
The Odds 2 column are the pot odds with two cards to come. Should be considered only if you or your opponent is all-in.
In NL you can of course call with smaller pot odds due to implied odds. Neverthel... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Schatzdog at November 14, 2007, 5:34 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by belladonna05
I feel I'm an average poker player with 2 personalites. I try to play tag, but on some days it seems I am a calling station. My question to you folks is how do you manage to stay consistent to your style of play. I was down 30 dollars this morning before I gave up and shut the room down lol.
I'm going to make the assumption that you're a cash game player. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The best piece of advice I've got for this was from Sklansky who basically said, look at your play as one continuous poker session. When this concept sinks in you'll find your play will be a bit more consistent with what you're trying to achieve. You'll lose that impulse to "make something happen". You'll have a wider perspective of your play.
Also, you're going to have down sessions even when you play great poker. That's the game. Forget about your equity curve and concentrate on making good poker decisions at the table.
Hope ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zachvac at November 13, 2007, 2:55 pm | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by KingCurtis
well as not only i will telll you but others surely will is that good succesfull players do not have a consistent style or game plan......switching gears and throwing off your opponent is key....if you stay consistent with the same bluffs...betting patterns....ect...you will be noticed and caught...
Agreed, but I don't think becoming a calling station is what that means. Sometimes it's good to call down and throw away money short term to let people know that you are capable of making that play, but becoming a calling station is not what you want to do.
I think the answer is basically practice. At least where I've been playing, low limits online (5/10c), mixing up my play irtually doesn't matter. No one actually observes that kind of thing. I do mix it up once in a while, but not to confuse other people, you can't confuse people who aren't observant enough to notice. Maybe it's hurting me for when I get my BR big enough to move up,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KingCurtis at November 13, 2007, 1:30 pm | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
well as not only i will telll you but others surely will is that good succesfull players do not have a consistent style or game plan......switching gears and throwing off your opponent is key....if you stay consistent with the same bluffs...betting patterns....ect...you will be noticed and caught...
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| Posted by: belladonna05 at November 13, 2007, 10:37 am | | Topic: How to stay consistent Forum: Card Chat |
I feel I'm an average poker player with 2 personalites. I try to play tag, but on some days it seems I am a calling station. My question to you folks is how do you manage to stay consistent to your style of play. I was down 30 dollars this morning before I gave up and shut the room down lol.
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