| Posted by: switch0723 at December 24, 2007, 4:11 pm | | Topic: Is it OK to rerais a tight player allin with KK after he raises to 10x bb? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by zachvac
I treat AA like the best hand in poker every time (preflop obviously).
That is an outrageous way to treat AA .
You need to feinately push your kk here, if he was that tight, he would want to get alue from his aces so wouldnt raise so much, definately re raise and look to be 80% fa against mid pp
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| Posted by: Vrilissia at December 24, 2007, 2:25 pm | | Topic: Is it OK to rerais a tight player allin with KK after he raises to 10x bb? Forum: Card Chat |
I actually was faced with this same decision yesterday in a Micro Tourny on Stars .... but as I had been at the same table with this particular player for about 80 hands or so (we were moved 1 time I think) I just knew he had AA, I'd actually seen it before so relied on my read and folded, and yes he did have AA and won the pot with top pair.
Similar with a push near to the bubble ... folded QQ and sure enough (another) illain made a FH with his AA.
What amazes me is that now I can make some pretty good reads and I still play like c.rap
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| Posted by: zachvac at December 24, 2007, 3:40 am | | Topic: Is it OK to rerais a tight player allin with KK after he raises to 10x bb? Forum: Card Chat |
Tournaments are obviously different but in a cash game you should never lay down aces unless you have a really really really good read. Most players (not good ones, just most in general) would make that move with anything from TT to AA and possibly AK. I treat AA and KK like the best hand in poker every time (preflop obviously). I can get away from QQ preflop but until I play in a game with people who wouldn't push with jacks every time, I'm not folding KK preflop ever, let alone just a 10x BB raise preflop.
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| Posted by: vanquish at December 24, 2007, 2:11 am | | Topic: Is it OK to rerais a tight player allin with KK after he raises to 10x bb? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by KyleJRM
Agreed. The only way I wouldn't is if I'd played a lot of hands with a guy and seen that he only did it with AA. And only if I suspected they didn't know I know they did it.
There was a player on FT NL$10 awhile back who would supermultitable all day long and fold every hand unless they had AA or KK, then raise all-in. They didn't get called often, but every time they did they showed down one of those two hands. It was surprisingly profitable (even got me a few times when I had AK suited and hadn't learned my lesson yet).
Against someone like that, whom I had seen many times at the table and had a clear MO they would never ary from, I would have folded KK because that meant they either had the other two kings or AA, and the AA was much more likely.
That is the *only* time I would have ever folded it, and even then I would have thought hard and may not have had the discipline. Other than a picture-perfect read of AA, which you... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KyleJRM at December 24, 2007, 2:09 am | | Topic: Is it OK to rerais a tight player allin with KK after he raises to 10x bb? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by anquish
If you mean he opens preflop to 10x BB then yes in 99.999% of situations.
Agreed. The only way I wouldn't is if I'd played a lot of hands with a guy and seen that he only did it with AA. And only if I suspected they didn't know I know they did it.
There was a player on FT NL$10 awhile back who would supermultitable all day long and fold every hand unless they had AA or KK, then raise all-in. They didn't get called often, but every time they did they showed down one of those two hands. It was surprisingly profitable (even got me a few times when I had AK suited and hadn't learned my lesson yet).
Against someone like that, whom I had seen many times at the table and had a clear MO they would never ary from, I would have folded KK because that meant they either had the other two kings or AA, and the AA was much more likely.
That is the *only* time I would have ever folded it, and even then I would have thought ha... | | Read Entire Entry |
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