| Posted by: Paranormal at January 7, 2008, 11:28 am | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
your looking too hard..
pay attention to the way they move the chips and there face when you go to move your chips.. ask them how much they have left... look for the neck to twitch.. look how they are breathing.. are they sneaking the chips in the middle or letting everyone know for sure they are betting/raising... its all different from everyone but after about a good solid hour at a table i usually have everyone pegged
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at January 7, 2008, 7:53 am | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
And thus starts the multi-level mind games with tells. I'd just say if you're playing with thinking players, hide your own tells, play your standard game and rely on betting patterns, and only when you really pick up a solid tell start basing your decisions on it.
I think that even the highest level pros give off tells, but they're just more subtle than those from someone who's never played before. Try watching HSP or something like that and you'll see that strength/weakness tell more often than you'd think.
Also, I think the more subconscious tells are more reliable, like looking at their chipstack when they plan to bet, or preparing to fold their hand out of turn etc.
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| Posted by: zachvac at January 7, 2008, 7:14 am | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
So I've read Caro's book on poker tells, figured after I read it I would be able to make most all-in decisions much easier by picking up a tell. Not so. The problem is that now most good players (and although I don't play with great players, they're definitely above average and have read some books) understand the concept that weak means strong and strong means weak.
Whenever I'm playing someone who's playing above their limit it's easy to pick up tells, but when people are practicing good BRM (which most are) and are playing with disposable money, I've found it almost impossible to pick up tells. No one I play uses the typical poker face, they just mix up what they do. But when I'm playing people who have read the same things about weak meaning strong and ice ersa, they may be faking weak to make me think strong when they're really weak or ice ersa. Or they could even think I'm thinking that so acting weak when they're strong.
Once in a while I'll see a true tremble of a hand when put... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: nick1611 at November 24, 2007, 1:10 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
ive found that when they are still stacking their chips from a pot they won last hand and they bet they almost always have a monster
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| Posted by: -cKe- at November 21, 2007, 11:17 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
Quote:
I'm still working on doing this but also keeping one step ahead keeps your head in the game instead of wandering.
i agree you should make up som kind if gameplan in every hand, but you have to adjsut that gameplan after how your opponents is playing, so i would rather study my opponents when they make a descision to try to figure out what they hold and what they are trying to accomplish, if you just focus on what u are going to do it is easy to miss tells that can be important for how you would play the hand
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| Posted by: zachvac at November 1, 2007, 7:51 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by EthanVK
Thats why I don't play with my chips. Some people like to play with their chips as a way to show off and intimidate the opposition. But for those who DO play with their chips, keep on playing because I WILL pick up on your chip tells and use it against you.
I do the same thing no matter what (at least I hope I do). It helps calm me down and think.
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| Posted by: EthanVK at November 1, 2007, 5:49 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
Thats why I don't play with my chips. Some people like to play with their chips as a way to show off and intimidate the opposition. But for those who DO play with their chips, keep on playing because I WILL pick up on your chip tells and use it against you.
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| Posted by: t1riel at November 1, 2007, 3:13 am | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Insomniac_1006
There appears to be no author listed for this article, http://www.cardschat.com/poker-tells-advantage.php,
in the Cards Chat Strategy Articles Section.
That would make the author CardsChat, correct?
Nick, any chance you could put the author of the article in there?
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| Posted by: Insomniac_1006 at October 31, 2007, 8:45 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by zachvac
keeping one step ahead keeps your head in the game instead of wandering.
Good tip, thanks
cheers
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| Posted by: zachvac at October 31, 2007, 8:07 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Insomniac_1006
It took me a while to get through the text block. But once I did, I found this helpful. I try to stay in the moment when I am playing and sometimes it is difficult for me to think ahead.
Thanks
And don't think I always follow my own advice . It's tough to do, but I'm convinced it's the best thing to do. I'll be on a draw and be seen counting the pot to see if I have odds, then of course everyone puts me on a draw and when I hit I make nothing. If I had calculated the pot size beforehand, I would know if I had sufficient odds to call and (although if you do this a lot people will catch on) you can sometimes count the pot to make everyone else think you're on a draw. Then when the suit doesn't hit yet you have the set, or when it does hit and you're able to bluff at it (careful that they don't have it, it's tough to bluff at a nut flush ), you get paid off. I'm still working on doing this but also keeping one step ahead keeps your he... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Insomniac_1006 at October 31, 2007, 7:36 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by zachvac
I like to shuffle my chips constantly when I'm playing a hand, helps me relax and think. I've read Caro's book along with articles such as this and playing in home games haven't been able to pick up a single tell.
The problem is most people realize this and do the same thing regardless. Everyone knows the motto "weak means strong", but then are they using reverse psychology on you? Reverse reverse psychology?
One of the easiest tells to pick up on is betting patterns, but that's not really a tell. The only real tell I've been able to pick up was the other day, where one person would pick up a $5 chip, think for a minute, then instead put in like 3 $1 chips.
Every time I saw it I put in a re-raise and every time she laid her hand down. It was obvious she was trying to bluff, but realized she didn't want to put in that much in case someone had a hand.
That's why IMO unless you are doing it to intentio... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zachvac at October 31, 2007, 6:40 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
I like to shuffle my chips constantly when I'm playing a hand, helps me relax and think. I've read Caro's book along with articles such as this and playing in home games haven't been able to pick up a single tell. The problem is most people realize this and do the same thing regardless. Everyone knows the motto "weak means strong", but then are they using reverse psychology on you? Reverse reverse psychology? One of the easiest tells to pick up on is betting patterns, but that's not really a tell. The only real tell I've been able to pick up was the other day, where one person would pick up a $5 chip, think for a minute, then instead put in like 3 $1 chips. Every time I saw it I put in a re-raise and every time she laid her hand down. It was obvious she was trying to bluff, but realized she didn't want to put in that much in case someone had a hand. That's why IMO unless you are doing it to intentionally deceive, you should make all decisions before you do anything, and most of the time decide... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: pigpen02 at October 31, 2007, 5:59 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
So, does pulling part of a Cardschat article out and putting it in the threads count as quality? There seems to be a lot of crap posts today.
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| Posted by: Insomniac_1006 at October 31, 2007, 5:30 am | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
There appears to be no author listed for this article, http://www.cardschat.com/poker-tells-advantage.php,
in the Cards Chat Strategy Articles Section.
That would make the author CardsChat, correct?
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| Posted by: t1riel at October 31, 2007, 4:35 am | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by 38special
Pulled from the tells article:
"Another question to ask yourself is “what are my opponents doing with their chips when the action is not on them?” Many players are constantly riffling their chips and the speed at which they’re riffling can tell you something about their hand. If your opponent’s chips are moving at a furious agitated pace it usually means that they’re nervous about the strength of their hand. But, if they are moving their chips in a slower, more relaxed manner, typically they feel more relaxed about their chances of dragging the pot."
i see it the other way, if i see a guy rifling the hell out of his chips, he's ready for action and has a killer hand that he cant wait to bet or raise with it. its like getting ready for a fight or something, your bouncing around getting your blood pumping and your adrenaline running cause the action is about to commence. if i see a guy just rifling his chips non-chalantly i ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Insomniac_1006 at October 30, 2007, 7:08 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by 38special
Pulled from the tells article:
"“what are my opponents doing with their chips when the action is not on them?” ."
i see it the other way, if i see a guy rifling the hell out of his chips, he's ready for action and has a killer hand that he cant wait to bet or raise with it. its like getting ready for a fight or something, your bouncing around getting your blood pumping and your adrenaline running cause the action is about to commence. if i see a guy just rifling his chips non-chalantly i assume he's just goin with the flow and has no intentions of getting involved, he's doing what he does when he's not even in a hand, however if he does hype up the action i am ery wary. any takes?
I will have to watch for this, in myself and others. Currently, playing with my chips tends to relax me.
also:
"One of the more rare but most reliable tells is “If there’s food in their mouth,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 38special at October 30, 2007, 6:46 pm | | Topic: Poker Tells Forum: Card Chat |
Pulled from the tells article:
"Another question to ask yourself is “what are my opponents doing with their chips when the action is not on them?” Many players are constantly riffling their chips and the speed at which they’re riffling can tell you something about their hand. If your opponent’s chips are moving at a furious agitated pace it usually means that they’re nervous about the strength of their hand. But, if they are moving their chips in a slower, more relaxed manner, typically they feel more relaxed about their chances of dragging the pot."
i see it the other way, if i see a guy rifling the hell out of his chips, he's ready for action and has a killer hand that he cant wait to bet or raise with it. its like getting ready for a fight or something, your bouncing around getting your blood pumping and your adrenaline running cause the action is about to commence. if i see a guy just rifling his chips non-chalantly i assume he's just goin with the flow and has no intenti... | | Read Entire Entry |
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