| Posted by: MrSticker at January 11, 2008, 10:27 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
(Tongue in cheek) Maybe we are all doing it wrong. Maybe Jerry Yang's win goes to show that none of us have been praying loud enough at the poker table. Maybe we should all start doing that. Could you imagine all 10 people at a poker table all praying loudly at the same time during an all-in showdown? "Please God Almighty, NO Aces! Give my Kings your strength, oh Lord!" "Please God above, I need a Jack or a Ten!!" "One more Club, one more Club. Please Lord, one more Club!!"
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| Posted by: mrsnake3695 at January 11, 2008, 10:15 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by HelenRNurse
My iew is that their prayers are fine if that's what they believe. The producers of the show are the ones to blame for showing it. They should have kept the cameras on the people or the cards & not shown the families of the participants. I thoroughly agree with someone who said it was far better than showing donkeykong jump around like a monkey or having a db like Gold win it.
I think this hits the nail on the head. The producers of the show keep showing the antics of a few loud mouths like Kahn and umberto and others at the expense of good poker for the sake of ratings. More and more people will start acting like idiots to get TV time while a quiet solid poker player will be ignored no mater how well they are playing/doing. The whole way the broadcast is focused is sickening to me.
As for Yang, I found his praying the way he was bothersome. I didn't know exactly why until now. He was not just praying for something good for h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: reglardave at January 11, 2008, 9:37 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
I think, hopefully wothout intending to, that posters in this thread are arguing at cross purposes. I don't care a fig for how "religious" people iew any of this. I'm a PK, grew up in churches, and wanna hear my take? Tuff, you're gonna anyway. ORGANIZED RELIGION, WHATEVER DENOMINATION, IS BUNK! Those who proclaim their piety the loudest are the biggest hypocrites of all. Churches are 1.) social gatherings (good thing) and 2.) crutches for people too wishy washy and weak minded to form and foster their own beliefs and convictions. Why should we mind that J Yang and Lee Watkinsons mom pray to God for the nuts? You think God cares? Unless he had a props bet on either one or the other, I'd be ery surprised.
So religions are anti-gambling, eh? I feel sure that some of you at least are Catholic. Your parish never has Bingo night? For that matter, seems to me the whole idea of praying and paying you or your loved ones out of Purgatory is nothing but a shell game or a crapshoot.
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| Posted by: JRaD at January 11, 2008, 9:37 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
First off Jerry Yang is an idiot, just felt like saying that... secondly, I believe and respect in religion and anyone that has their own I think that's awesome but keep it to yourself, I mean Jesus did say to go out speak his word but honestly if you are to a certain age you are going to have the message in your head about whats going on and whatever religion you choose is pretty much laid out for you by your family either way. I think that Jerry Yang is an idiot for the mere spite that I have never seen him place in anything or do anything other then that, don't get me wrong I haven't had that much money before so... 1-0 Jerry Yang on me, but it doesn't mean that he's not an idiot...
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| Posted by: Snowman1964 at January 11, 2008, 9:33 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
At this years WSOP I want to see Phil Hemuth pray to the Jedi knights...or maybe Jamie Gold could have a quick request: may the farce be with him.
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| Posted by: SubT33 at January 11, 2008, 9:22 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
This is fair enough, well-put, and should have been in the OP instead of the freaking freakers, ninnys, and sarcastic mother in law stuff imo.
Yeah, I was kind of heated when I first posted, sorry if it came of too strong. And thanks for challenging me to clarify my thoughts.
ps - I love saying "freaking freakers"
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| Posted by: Snowman1964 at January 11, 2008, 8:53 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
On a slight tangent...
Q. How do you seperate the men from the boys at a bishops convention?
A. With a crowbar.
Might be in trouble for this one.
Snowman
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| Posted by: juiceeQ at January 11, 2008, 8:21 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Tygran
Matthew 6:6 "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."
/for the record, I have nothing against Christianity but I have plenty against most of it's "participants"
That's a ery good point, regarding your scripture quote. As for that last statement, you're basing your opinion on the actions of a few (comparatively speaking) zealots who give other Christians a bad name. I am not at all "religious" in the fact that I don't go to church every Sunday. I do find that the hypocrisy that ensues is a bit disgusting.
As for poker/gambling being a sin, someone please show me where this is written. (No really, I have no idea if it is or isn't. I somehow doubt it though.)
Quote: Originally Posted by beardyian
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| Posted by: HelenRNurse at January 11, 2008, 6:07 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
My iew is that their prayers are fine if that's what they believe. The producers of the show are the ones to blame for showing it. They should have kept the cameras on the people or the cards & not shown the families of the participants. I thoroughly agree with someone who said it was far better than showing donkeykong jump around like a monkey or having a db like Gold win it.
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| Posted by: Likminutz at January 11, 2008, 5:32 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
If you haven't seen the final table its hard to understand why people (including myself) would be either pissed off, offended, confused or embarrased as to what Jerry Yang (mostly) and Lee Watkinson's wife were put on tape saying.
It was not like they said a little humble prayer and asked for gods help. They were up jumping around repeating quite audibly how jesus the lord savior would please show them they were believers and had purpose blah blah blah blah....
For me it was just annoying/embarrassing because I wanted to see some good card playing and as a poker fan I enjoy it if my friends or family can watch it and understand the complexities and entertainment of the game as well, even if they dislike poker.
Having people act widely jumping up and down, screaming for jesus and the lord's help only makes the beliefs stronger in those who think poker just gambling and takes all luck.
anyway god can't change those cards so its pretty pointless for anyone to yell out fo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dj11 at January 11, 2008, 3:48 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Clearly, we are upset because we all know there are POKER GODS (plural) not one overseeing, all powerful poker GOD.
We all grovel at the feet of Flora the Floozy of Flushes as she does battle with Trish, the Temptress of Trips, whilst Barry, the Barron of Boats chuckles quietly at their antics waiting his turn ................ muahahahahaha
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| Posted by: Paranormal at January 11, 2008, 3:36 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
i have no problem with religion but i have to admit the praying while in a hand thing was kind of discusting to watch.... i just thought to myseld is this guy for real? hes a donkey who caught cards at the right time big deal god had nothing to do with it
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| Posted by: Tygran at January 11, 2008, 2:15 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by juiceeQ
I actually haven't even seen the final table of the WSOP yet (), but I don't get why people get so offended just because someone prays in public. What, is his faith something he should be ashamed of? What difference does it make if he chooses to say a prayer aloud? Big deal.
Here's my reply to that...
Matthew 6:6 "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."
What this guy did was loud, obnoxious because of the context and quite possibly extremely hypocritical given most Christians iews on poker.
/for the record, I have nothing against Christianity but I have plenty against most of it's "participants"
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| Posted by: shinedown.45 at January 11, 2008, 1:35 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
"He that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him" (Proverbs 28:22).
"He who oppresses the poor to get gain for himself, and he who gives to the rich will surely come to want" (Proverbs 22:16).
Proverbs 21:20 says, "There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise; but a foolish man spendeth it up."
23. Are we seeking financial blessing instead of seeking God and His will? (Wanting God's benefits, but not God's ways.) Matthew 15:8: "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me."
This is all I'll c/p here.
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| Posted by: beardyian at January 11, 2008, 1:14 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
I am anti-religion - thought id state this at the start, if you have faith thats fine by me its the people that tell everyone else they are wrong is what gets me
Quote: Originally Posted by SubT33
This is true and he should be given credit for this. 10% of over 8 million? Very nice contribution. Way more than most people would ever dream of giving.
Although dont forget the church has millions/billions in its coffers already (several million paid out in lawsuits a couple of years ago ) not to mention all the land it owns - and yet it still pleads poverty
Quote: Originally Posted by SubT33
Now I figure that a fair majority of those watching the main event are not ery religious, because gambling is outlawed by most religions.
But long gone are the days where religious law is the law, sure they still have a oice but i always end up back at things like the Spanish Inquisition when it comes to Religious law
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at January 11, 2008, 1:00 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by SubT33
This is actually tricky. It took me some time to figure out why exactly this bothered me so much. It's not the typical reason. It's not "we live in a secular world where church and state should be divided, and that's how it is and I want every rule followed to the T or else I will have nothing to hold onto and I might wake up and realize how empty my life really is." It's not that at all. You see, I am a ery religious/spiritual person myself. I've gone through many stages and one of those stages was being ery open and forthcoming with my spirituality. From that experience I began to realize how ery closed off some people are to spirituality and how negatively they react to it. Now I figure that a fair majority of those watching the main event are not ery religious, because gambling is outlawed by most religions. I then figure that out of these non-religious type there is a fair amount of people who react strongly when they hear it in a public ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: SubT33 at January 11, 2008, 12:41 pm | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
Finally, welcome to, what is it now, 7 months ago?
Yeah, I'm a little late, it's just that most people around me don't really care about poker enough to listen to me ent. I just found you guys so I thought I'd post anyway.
Quote: Originally Posted by reglardave
I thonl Jerru Uang is truly a man with strong beliefs. He certainly pledged a ery fair % of his winnings to worthy causes.
This is true and he should be given credit for this. 10% of over 8 million? Very nice contribution. Way more than most people would ever dream of giving.
Quote: Originally Posted by juiceeQ
I actually haven't even seen the final table of the WSOP yet (), but I don't get why people get so offended just because someone prays in public. What, is his faith something he should be ashamed of? What difference does it make if he chooses to say a prayer aloud? Big deal.
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at January 11, 2008, 10:58 am | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
OP, did you really think any good was going to come of this thread?
It's arguable that Christianity in itself is somewhat of a gamble in several ways, creating quite the amusing paradox if it forbids gambling.
Anyway, who would you rather win, a pleasant, well-mannered, humble guy with morals (albeit judged on the basis of a few hours of highlights and interviews) who just happens to be slightly religiously overzealous, or a complete douchebag like Jamie Gold (who is a douchebag whatever basis you judge him on tbh)?
Finally, welcome to, what is it now, 7 months ago?
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| Posted by: reglardave at January 11, 2008, 7:23 am | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
I thonl Jerru Uang is truly a man with strong beliefs. He certainly pledged a ery fair % of his winnings to worthy causes. As did Tuan Lam. Personally, I applaud them both. I found this years Final Table refreshing , if somewhat lackluster once Khan went out.
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| Posted by: nevadanick at January 11, 2008, 6:46 am | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Haven't seen it, so really hard to make a steadfast comment. If it was just a prayer, as juiceeQ implies, then it's likely not much different than asking the poker Gods for a little help before the river. Poker God or Heavenly God, who's to say...?
Sounds like it was more similar to Humberto praying to his sharks. In that case, expect more theatrics of ANY kind in the future from more and more players. It's the only way some of these folks can get any attention. Much like the squeeky wheel getting the grease, the most outrageous poker-joker gets the photo opps (and likely the overpriced endorsement packages).
Also wondering what would happen if I walked into their church during the silent prayer, rattled some dice and threw them against the pulpit shouting aloud "ROLL DEM BONES !!!...Daddy needs new SHOES !!!"
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| Posted by: MrSticker at January 11, 2008, 6:46 am | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by juiceeQ
I actually haven't even seen the final table of the WSOP yet (), but I don't get why people get so offended just because someone prays in public. What, is his faith something he should be ashamed of? What difference does it make if he chooses to say a prayer aloud? Big deal.
It appears to me that most people don't get offended by the praying itself. I think it is because it is commonly believed that "gambling is a sin" and Yang shouldn't be playing poker if he is as religious as he makes himself out to be. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that is the gist.
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| Posted by: juiceeQ at January 11, 2008, 6:15 am | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
I actually haven't even seen the final table of the WSOP yet (), but I don't get why people get so offended just because someone prays in public. What, is his faith something he should be ashamed of? What difference does it make if he chooses to say a prayer aloud? Big deal.
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| Posted by: MrSticker at January 11, 2008, 6:05 am | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by SubT33
Who the hell is this guy and when did the best damn poker tournament in history turn into sunday f-ing service. Don't get me wrong, if you're religious I have all the respect for you, but at the poker table?
When Watkinson was all-in against Yang, and what looked like watkinson's mother-in-law starting praying "lord, show Lee your power, make him a believer" (what by improving his king high? Do you have any idea how complex the circulatory system is?) And then Yang as if he feared this mother-in-law would out-pray him came over the top with "Lord Jesus Christ, I have a purpose, let it be seen today?" Are you fricking kidding me?
Again, I'm all for religion and support those who practice, but I absolutely detest when it comes out in a public place such as this. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. These people border on the ridiculous as the
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| Posted by: SubT33 at January 11, 2008, 3:56 am | | Topic: Yang: WSOP Chump... I mean Champ Forum: Card Chat |
Who the hell is this guy and when did the best damn poker tournament in history turn into sunday f-ing service. Don't get me wrong, if you're religious I have all the respect for you, but at the poker table?
When Watkinson was all-in against Yang, and what looked like watkinson's mother-in-law starting praying "lord, show Lee your power, make him a believer" (what by improving his king high? Do you have any idea how complex the circulatory system is?) And then Yang as if he feared this mother-in-law would out-pray him came over the top with "Lord Jesus Christ, I have a purpose, let it be seen today?" Are you fricking kidding me?
Again, I'm all for religion and support those who practice, but I absolutely detest when it comes out in a public place such as this. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. These people border on the ridiculous as the
hypocrisy is so thick I want to gag. All major religions forbid gambling, and these ninnys are at the main event reciti... | | Read Entire Entry |
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