| Posted by: aliengenius at January 9, 2008, 6:37 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by SlowcalaPro
Another key thing to realize is that Im not single, Im married. And since my wife has an excellent career, things like health insurance are taken care of on her end.
Young players who are single or dont have the support I have will have a harder tme of it. Im just spoiled and lucky to be married to a great girl.
^^^this is the way to go, ! I did just got a real j.o.b. however , part time dealing blackjack.
Anyway, like most things you need money to make money, and spending portions of your bankroll for life expenses can keep you from moving up to stakes that would support full time play.
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| Posted by: adventurebound at January 9, 2008, 6:14 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
I was married to a Catholic girl once.....ONCE! Unfortunately for me she's the reason I've became a transplant from Arizona to the midwest. Hard to find a hottie locally because around this area the beef ain't the only thing corn fed! Used to go to a Lutheren church, probably the biggest church in the area but there sure wasn't any supply of hotties there, just a couple (extremely well) cornfed ones. My Jeep can only handle a 500 pound payload........
Do yourself a favor in advance partner...Never take your's for granted, treat her well, Seriously!....Sounds like you have a geat one!
Does she has any sisters named Kathy?
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| Posted by: SlowcalaPro at January 9, 2008, 5:43 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
LMAO
I worked 60 hrs a week to put my wife through college for 6 years. She has a job she loves and is basically her own boss. Ive found the best place to find great girls like this are at church (seriously). If you can stay awake, churches, especially baptist churches are chock full of hot, young women. I have no idea why. Maybe God likes hotties. You have to put a little more effort into them, as opposed to catholic girls , but Ive found its worth it in the long run. Like I said, now Im just a spoiled kept man.
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| Posted by: adventurebound at January 9, 2008, 6:34 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by SlowcalaPro
Another key thing to realize is that Im not single, Im married. And since my wife has an excellent career, things like health insurance are taken care of on her end.
Young players who are single or dont have the support I have will have a harder tme of it. Im just spoiled and lucky to be married to a great girl.
Where can I find one of these girls????????? I ain't even gonna try for Kathy Liebert, too much competition around here for her!
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| Posted by: SlowcalaPro at January 8, 2008, 2:24 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Not true Quads. There are a great many people playing poker that either are incapable of reaching, or dont have the desire to reach, the level of play required to constantly profit from poker. Theyre easy to find. Theyre the ones screaming about how poker is all luck and/ or how online poker is rigged.
The simple fact is that some people are smarter than others. There will always be someone better than the next guy. The poker Brat said it best. If it wasnt for luck, the smartest players would always win. Its possible to never make a mistake and still lose, but its the players that make the fewest mistakes that profit in the long run. Like I said, not everyone is capable of playing at that level, so there will always be people to take money from.
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| Posted by: quads at January 8, 2008, 1:53 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by SlowcalaPro
Turning a profit on poker is simple once you learn how to deal with people and their different playing styles.
Guess it's just a matter of time before there will no more losers to take money from. Once we all learn this simple prophecy.
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| Posted by: SlowcalaPro at January 7, 2008, 9:34 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
I dont have a problem with anybody thats willing to put their money in front of me and give me the chance to take it. Whether youre a fish, shark, donkey, dead money, whatever. It doesnt matter to me. Turning a profit on poker is simple once you learn how to deal with people and their different playing styles. I read too many blogs and forum posts from players worried about starting hands and what cards they are willing to play and not play. They should be more worried about deciphering what cards their opponents are willing to play.
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| Posted by: sportsfreak_39 at January 7, 2008, 9:12 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by SlowcalaPro
Im actually in Florida and play mostly on at the Hard Rock in Tampa, Ft. Lauderdale, and in our numorous race track rooms.
Thing I find about hard rock is most fish end up going there so you find a lot of sharks in these games
the racetrack rooms are the best in Florida because people go there to wind down and just throw their money away
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| Posted by: Tygran at January 7, 2008, 7:22 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by rmcnally
I imagine it would be extraordinarily difficult to become a professional poker player, because one bad session of tilt can leave you completely broke. Poker would be such an unstable job, you should be sure you can win at high limits on a regular basis, and you should also have your emotions under control!
Part of playing poker correctly at any level is making sure this doesn't happen.
You never ever play with your entire bankroll at one time (or even a significant chunk of it) so that this doesn't happen.
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| Posted by: SlowcalaPro at January 7, 2008, 5:14 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Another key thing to realize is that Im not single, Im married. And since my wife has an excellent career, things like health insurance are taken care of on her end.
Young players who are single or dont have the support I have will have a harder tme of it. Im just spoiled and lucky to be married to a great girl.
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| Posted by: SlowcalaPro at January 7, 2008, 5:07 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
In 2005, I quit working due to an OTJ injury. Six months later, I was cleared to return, but never did. I had been playing poker since 2001, and had accumulated a ery small bankroll of about $5k. This all came from playing single table SNGs and $1/$2 NL. None of it was online. My wife finished her degree and started working about 3 months before I got hurt. She made more than twice what I was making at the time, so I decided to go back to school and just give poker a shot. Since I lived so close to a couple rooms where I had been making a profit, it was easy for me to find the time to do it, while still keeping my professional certification and going to school. The point is, I had surplus money and a backup plan when I started. Had I failed, I go back to work and move on.
In the six months of '05 I played full time, I made just over 18K. This is about 3K more than I would have made working. I play 4 days a week, between 6 and 12 hours a day. In '06, I made just under 33K. In '07, I made 44K, but th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jeffred1111 at January 7, 2008, 12:43 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
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If you're even remotely a winning player, then $100 a day is absolutely nothing at NL400.
Take a measly winrate of 2 BB/100, play 300 hands per hour, 5 hours a day:
4 x $4 x 15 = $240 / 5-hour day. That's just about the minimum you can expect in the long run.
Where did I say they were winning 100$ a day ? I said they were winning more than that and they still quit. It's just too hard for most of the population to keep motivation up when you play 30 hours a week, at least online, since there's no social interaction and no fixed salary or hours.
Also, Grundy, poker is probably the worse way to make a middle level income, at least in the United States, since the insurances/advantages of a real job on comparable salary more than makes up for the fact that you're winning at an "easy job". In Canada, we still have social programs and healthcare, so that makes up for it somewhat. Moving to a place where a lower level of income is suitable for yo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Grundy at January 6, 2008, 7:32 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Eugenius:
I'm not sure if a one-time tire purchase=equals "an aspect of your life" as mentioned in my blog post. But I am glad you didn't break the bank for the treads.
jeffred1111:
I agree for going-pro to work you need a reserve to fall back on in the event of a long streak of bad luck, just like people with normal career should have savings in case they loose their job.
Sure the nature of the game makes it more financially hazardous then some other professions, but if you have good money management, you should be okay.
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| Posted by: Chris_TC at January 6, 2008, 2:42 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by jeffred1111
PS: I know what I'm talking about. I have two friends who were living off NL400 for a while and now one of them only plays part time (working odd jobs the rest of the week) while the other has gone back to school. They were making more than 100$ a day and they are good.
If you're even remotely a winning player, then $100 a day is absolutely nothing at NL400.
Take a measly winrate of 2 BB/100, play 300 hands per hour, 5 hours a day:
4 x $4 x 15 = $240 / 5-hour day. That's just about the minimum you can expect in the long run.
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| Posted by: quads at January 6, 2008, 1:22 pm | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Poker Player Net Worths Are Rarely What you Think They Are
A pretty popular message board topic is to speculate as to the net worth of the most famous poker players in the world, both online and "live."
While it can be fun to try and guess as to what each player is worth, there are several key details that most people overlook.
First off, some people will look at a player's total tournament cashes and automatically assume that someone is a multi-millionaire just because they have $3 million dollars in lifetime cashes.
Though they may ery well be millionaires, oftentimes they are not. First off, staking is much more prevalent than you think in live tournament poker. At any major tournament, you can have as many as 50% of the "name pros" being staked for the tournament. So right off the bat you need to question how much of their $3 million in total cashes they actually got to keep. I mean, you probably didn't know that Annette ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jeffred1111 at January 6, 2008, 4:36 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
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Well, I do consider making $100 a day good enough to be a pro, but only if you can live comfortably on that. When I was single, I could no problem.
The closet I ever got was consistently winning enough to pay for my rent every month, with a little extra. It still wasn't enough to play for all the food and entertainment expenses, so I can't say I was "pro"-level.
Actually I just wrote a blog post this week about my definition of "poker pro." You can check it out here if you want.
The thing is not that 100$ a day is not enough: a lot of people are living off 500$ a week, some of them with children and they are not dumpster diving for food/clothes. But poker is a biatch when it comes to steady income: if you make 1bb/100 hands playing limit, it doesn't mean that every time you play 100 hands, you win 1bb, it means that on average, you make that much.
With that in mind, 100$ a day is not enough for reserves: a lot of pros have ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Eugenius at January 6, 2008, 4:32 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Grundy
Well, I do consider making $100 a day good enough to be a pro, but only if you can live comfortably on that. When I was single, I could no problem.
The closet I ever got was consistently winning enough to pay for my rent every month, with a little extra. It still wasn't enough to play for all the food and entertainment expenses, so I can't say I was "pro"-level.
Actually I just wrote a blog post this week about my definition of "poker pro." You can check it out here if you want.
Hehe, well, by that definition (from your blog), I guess I could fancy myself "semi-pro" since I bought myself new tires for my truck with poker last month
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| Posted by: Grundy at January 6, 2008, 4:20 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Well, I do consider making $100 a day good enough to be a pro, but only if you can live comfortably on that. When I was single, I could no problem.
The closet I ever got was consistently winning enough to pay for my rent every month, with a little extra. It still wasn't enough to pay for all the food and entertainment expenses, so I can't say I was "pro"-level.
Actually I just wrote a blog post this week about my definition of "poker pro." You can check it out here if you want.
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| Posted by: rmcnally at January 6, 2008, 3:16 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
I can relate, Eugenius. I want to play poker professionally one day, since I love the game, and find it extremely appealing to do something i love for a living. The only problem, of course, would be whether or not I could support myself on poker alone. I'll just stick to poker for fun, for now, though.
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| Posted by: Eugenius at January 6, 2008, 2:56 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
All good points and advice.
It's more of a dream right now... but some of those days when I have a really good run make me start thinking about it.
I'm not planning on quitting my day job any time soon. I do a good deal of freelance work... so if I'm doing poker well, I could start taking less contracts... if poker is going sour, take more contracts...
Playing poker is a lot more fun than writing code, though... So the lure of doing something fun for a living is rather strong.
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| Posted by: rmcnally at January 6, 2008, 2:42 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
I imagine it would be extraordinarily difficult to become a professional poker player, because one bad session of tilt can leave you completely broke. Poker would be such an unstable job, you should be sure you can win at high limits on a regular basis, and you should also have your emotions under control!
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| Posted by: killerrat at January 6, 2008, 2:31 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Well I am not a pro, but can answer some of your questions. Untill you can hit the high limit ring games on a regular basis, keep working your regular job.
Always good to have a back up plan.
Must be flexable-like sizing down when things are going bad.
Ring games for the best EV. Mtts (200+)for something to do. Just because you might MTT on a daily basis doesnt mean you are experienced. Ring games is where it is at. Plus get into a "rake" program. This will help out your bank roll at the end of the month.
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| Posted by: N.D. at January 6, 2008, 2:10 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
It's good to have a dream though. I don't think I'll ever be a pro. But it is a nice dream to have and unlike movie star or rock star poker pro doesn't have an expiration date.
I know I need a few things though. Things like; toilet paper made entirely out of four leaf clovers(that's the kind Jamie Gold uses he's not really a pro but I'd settle for incredibly lucky any day of the week), a diet consisting of Lucky Charms and barbecued leprechaun(replaced with unicorn on high holy days such as Doyle Brunson's B-Day), and a favorite starting hand(man I gotta get me one of those).
Hey if I'm gonna dream, I might as well dream big and outlandishly.
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| Posted by: jeffred1111 at January 6, 2008, 1:55 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
100 per day is not enough to go pro. Seriously, living off 500$ per week while grinding out without any benefits is the epitome of sucky life (unless you plan on playing every day, then good luck shaking off the depression/boredom). What if you need money for the rent and you're on a downswong ? You'll be living day to day with 100 and never making any profit to put towards savings.
With a steady job, you can go by with 100$/day, because the money will always be there if you put in the hours. Your boss will never hold your paycheck because you are on the bad side of ariance and you'll have a social life/real job to be proud of. I'd need around 250-300 per day on average to go pro playing poker (and this will neve rhappen and I'll never go pro). Too much disadvantages.
PS: I know what I'm talking about. I have two friends who were living off NL400 for a while and now one of them only plays part time (working odd jobs the rest of the week) while the other has gone back to school. They w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Eugenius at January 6, 2008, 1:38 am | | Topic: Anyone here play poker as their primary source of income? Forum: Card Chat |
Which, I guess, is the definition of a pro poker player.
So, anybody here consider yourself a "pro"?
When/how did you decide that you were good enough to make it playing poker?
Did you quit your day job? (assuming you had a day job).
Do you play mostly online or at casinos?
Going pro is my ultimate goal, but I know my game isn't good enough yet. While I have a positive return on my online play and have placed in a few small casino SNG's, my earnings are in the hundreds per month, not thousands.
The goal I set for myself is that if I can average +$100 a day, then I might give the whole "poker as a job" thing a try. I just lack the consistency that I'd like to develop.
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