| Posted by: ratmantoo at January 24, 2008, 12:16 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
LOL....yeah table coaches rule! NOT!
I love it when some one starts handing out advise at a table, but never argue or discuss any hands in the chat window, only a g1, nh etc. The best was AQ against AK with an AKQ flop...and I caught the Q on the river. My comment was "sheesh what a suckout!" and illain reply was "Suckout? no ways ...good call!!"....almost fell of my chair laughing!
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| Posted by: scruffy mojo at January 24, 2008, 6:28 am | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
i don't direct my comment at them personally, i'll type bs, lucky nh or i guess you knew it was coming lol. people type such nasty things that are totally uncalled for, its a part of poker, move on..i've seen some of the worst allin calls and hit runner, runner, suckouts i still can't believe..i guess i don't like it done to me, so i don't do it to others...
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| Posted by: burton_boy at January 24, 2008, 5:44 am | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
I was reading Super System 2 the other day and in the Mike Caro U. section he dictates to never dicuss strategy around weak opponents, as many of them may not have realized there was anything worth dicussing. Basically they might not know calling all in with a gut shot is a bad play and if thats the way they are thinking you are bound to get your money back sooner or later. I even go as far as to turn my chat off if things start to get out of hand.
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at January 23, 2008, 9:54 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by aliengenius
Let me just argue for a moment against the two most common reason's given for not berating bad play at the table:
1. "It will clue the fish in, and they will start to play better."
No, no it wont. Getting better at poker isn't something that is going to occur because of any comments you make about a particular hand. Getting better at poker takes time and dedication, and isn't going to be accomplished by listening to the "expert" lecture at the table (as noted, they usually are not as expert as they think).
True, but they might tighten up a bit.
Quote: Originally Posted by aliengenius
2. "The fish will leave."
Online, so what?-- there are thousands of horrible players, and another one will just take that one's place shortly.
Also true, .... BUT IT WON'T BE THE MOTHER F*CKER WHO DONKED OFF YOUR STACK!!! STALK THAT MOFO AND GET YOUR MONEY BACK.
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| Posted by: juiceeQ at January 23, 2008, 9:45 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by theugoogilizer
I do notor bad call then say something to that person if still have chips i will say to try and spark a conversation to see how many peopple at the table think it was a good call then i can see if are majority good or really bad
I don't mean to sound rude, but please use some punctuation in your posts. After reading that ^^, I said, "Say what?" Periods at the end of sentences help the reader to follow your thought process better.
AG, you do bring up a good counter-point. But on the other hand, who really likes a "table coach"?
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| Posted by: aliengenius at January 23, 2008, 9:39 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
Let me just argue for a moment against the two most common reason's given for not berating bad play at the table:
1. "It will clue the fish in, and they will start to play better."
No, no it wont. Getting better at poker isn't something that is going to occur because of any comments you make about a particular hand. Getting better at poker takes time and dedication, and isn't going to be accomplished by listening to the "expert" lecture at the table (as noted, they usually are not as expert as they think).
2. "The fish will leave."
Online, so what?-- there are thousands of horrible players, and another one will just take that one's place shortly.
.....there, just wanted to stir the pot a little !
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| Posted by: NoWuckingFurries at January 23, 2008, 5:59 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
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you cant blame them if someone take 15 seconds EVERY hand on a preflop decision.
Yes I can, usually they are immature/kids, and they often do it when the person involved is quite clearly having connection problems. Also people are entitled to take their time to make a decision if they want to, if those impatient pillocks don't like it maybe they should go and play the latest FPS instead. The site will automatically fold their cards for them if they take too long, so you don't need some moron typing zzzzzzzz
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| Posted by: daxter70 at January 22, 2008, 10:42 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by The Shrog
This post has been extremely helpful. In watching a lot of the guarantee final tables on Tilt while I'm playing my own game, I see these suckouts but a lot of the time, there's no banter or argument. I never thought of it as a positive thing when my opponent calls with a gutshot or middle pair when I'm holding aces. Doing the math, why not want them calling when they're far behind? Thanks again for the post.
that math dont work for me cuz they always hit their 2nd to my overpair cuz they aint got the sense to get out of the hand preflop with 67 os to a 5x raise, and flop comes 863 and im holding QQ and the push my reraise of their flop bet and catch the 7 on the river....
happened 3 times in a row over the weekend on PS in triple shootout qualifiers at 1st and 2nd table with 67 taking me out all three times....
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| Posted by: The Shrog at January 22, 2008, 10:35 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
This post has been extremely helpful. In watching a lot of the guarantee final tables on Tilt while I'm playing my own game, I see these suckouts but a lot of the time, there's no banter or argument. I never thought of it as a positive thing when my opponent calls with a gutshot or middle pair when I'm holding aces. Doing the math, why not want them calling when they're far behind? Thanks again for the post.
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| Posted by: jaymfc at January 22, 2008, 8:29 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by beardyian
I have got close - but then think 'dont tap the tank and wake the fish'
If you're going to get mad do it by taking all their money in return
are you getting prettier or am I drinking to much
I fight my urge to talk trash , esp. at bodog where I can really cuss them and they can't cuss back I stopped because I don't want to lose my cool or let any hand change my attitude. I just smile to myself mark it down and wait for my chance . sometimes you get it , sometimes you don't.
it don't matter if you tap on the tank in a ring game because he just doubled up on you and is about to swim away any minute now anyway .
Quote: Originally Posted by 4aces07
you cant blame them if someone take 15 seconds EVERY hand on a preflop decision.
joke right ? I know its not but can't you see how sad that is ? a quarter of a minute every hand OMG !! can you imagine that in a live poker game .
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| Posted by: KingCurtis at January 22, 2008, 3:39 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by juiceeQ
It's not worth it (why lower yourself). And besides, why would you want them to learn from their mistakes? It's those dumb mistakes they make that are profitable for you in the long run.
exactly!
I use to yell at them when i first started playing online.....untill a friend of mine who was teaching me online poker...was watching me without me knowing...told me basically what Juicee said..."Why scare the fish away, let them keep biting and over time you'll catch them"
although most fish will be fish
and will never learn....lets hope it stays that way
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| Posted by: adventurebound at January 22, 2008, 3:31 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by bLoOm4747
"The louder the mouth of the illian, the harder it is for them to fold loosing hands"
that was def a good line...thanks for all the responses cuz u r all right...i used to say things to them but i will def stop...its def not worth it to lower myself...but i dunno if i can tell them nice hand or good 1 lol
I don't say nice hand etc. to them when they actually did play one right, I just sty quiet. When they push real hard on a hand I know I'm tossing anyway I may pause, type in "Hmmmm" or "just 1 time" then fold. That pumps up their bravado all the more which in turn just makes them that much easier to take out.
Had one last night at a MTT, shows up at my table with 5x the stack of everyone and anounces "The Champ is here" . People were talking back to him and he managed to knock out 3 people. Within a half hour 3/4's of his stack were in my pile and the rest in the only other guy who... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NoWuckingFurries at January 22, 2008, 3:30 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
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I've also notice that at least 1/2 of the trashtalkers are actually the donk in the hand. Especially the ones that raise every other hand then are outraged when their bluff is called down by a low pair or something .
Actually that's ery true, it's remarkable how many of these self-proclaimed "experts" are knocked out quite quickly, and everyone is usually pleased to see the back of them
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| Posted by: NoWuckingFurries at January 22, 2008, 3:25 pm | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
Nobody likes to be told what to do, a lot of people play poker purely for fun, and someone that lectures other people on how to play is likely to be perceived as a sore loser. I always smile when some sanctimonious pratt starts telling people in a freeroll what they should have done. I usually point out that it's a freeroll, and they just need to chill - which I suppose in effect makes me just as bad as them!
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| Posted by: Prysm at January 22, 2008, 3:37 am | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
I used to get upset at bad players and have said some things to warrent a one month ban on my chat privleges. I have grown wiser. You want people to play those gut shots, 2 outers, and chase. If you can get all their/your chips in the middle in these situations, you've already won. As the number of these situations grows large with correct play, so shall your expected gains be. This is a lot better than playing someone who KNOWS what they're doing.
So to recap:
*You want these situations to occur.
*You will win the majority of the time.
*You will lose some times. Make sure the sting doesn't cause you to play incorrectly. Just because you lose doesn't mean you played a hand wrong. And if a loss causes you that much grief that you want to curse someone out, you're not in the correct mind frame. Learn2Say, "Wow, Nice Hand. GG."
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| Posted by: adventurebound at January 22, 2008, 3:15 am | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
Like Juicee said, "why lower yourself"
Ignore them, wait for the nuts, slowplay and then let 'em try to bluff you then go for the jugular ein with a icious checkraise...More often than not they'll think they have you on tilt and call. (or better yet reraise as a feeble attempt to scare you away). The louder the mouth of the illian, the harder it is for them to fold loosing hands
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| Posted by: bLoOm4747 at January 22, 2008, 2:55 am | | Topic: Do u trash talk 2 donkeys after they make a horrible call 2 suckout? GUTSHOT ALL IN! Forum: Card Chat |
i know every1 says they have...but i have taken some really bad beats... and i dunno if the players know the cards r coming or they r just so bad that they dont know when to fold. i have gotten beat by gutshot straight draws all in when i have aces or kings 100s of times. i consider all in flush draws a bad call as well. and bottom pair all ins and hitting the river to catch trips.
my question is do u say something after that happens or is it not even worth it because they wont learn anyway? do they understand that they made a bad call or do they think that it was a good call because they won the hand by sucking out?
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