| Posted by: rainermaria at September 8, 2006, 3:05 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Pino isn't even standing by his recently "revised" terms now.
He still owed me two payments of $300 each and offered me $300 immediately and the other $300 as either 100X rollover in the casino or 30% rakeback. Neither of those appealed to me so I decided to just take the $300 and count the other $300 as a loss (keep in mind I still haven't even received all of my original deposit back yet, nevermind bonus or winnings)
Then he cancelled that withdrawal and my account.
THANKS FUTUREBET! THANKS ONGAME!
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| Posted by: Reef at July 27, 2006, 11:20 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
I've had time to think about this whole deal. I am pretty disappointed in it, not because I busted, but because the terms were changed halfway through. 4x wagering on blackjack was originally agreed on. Then my last payment mysteriously turned into 100x wagering.
Did anyone else have their payments go from 4x wagering to 100x?
Shortly after I busted, Pino offered to have my last payment clear at a rate of 30% of rake. He was also disappointed that I did not play as much poker as others. With an $800 bankroll, only NL100 was reasonable, but also a waste of time for me as NL600 is my normal stake. I did not want to deposit more because Pino was "this close" to "walk(ing) away" from the site.
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| Posted by: freakin at July 27, 2006, 8:45 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Pino credited my 3rd installment sometime between my last post and last night.
It was credited as regular cash like he agreed to before. I assume it had the same 4x rollover he wanted before, but I gambled it up with some multihand blackjack and lost it of my own accord
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| Posted by: Reef at July 27, 2006, 9:04 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Update: Pino paid my last installment of about $300 in "free money" as opposed to adding it to my balance. Unfortunately, I did not know that this had a 100x wagering rate of clearance. Quite the increase in wagering from 4x as specified earlier. I was also giving / going to give more action on the poker tables. I busted that and more trying to clear the "free money".
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| Posted by: Reef at July 18, 2006, 11:22 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
I guess this is the most effective way to contact Pino. My last 2 or 3 emails in July have not been replied to. Please contact me regarding last installment, Pino.
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| Posted by: Jay at July 16, 2006, 1:23 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Pino did get in touch with me after my post, above, and after some discussion, he immediately processed my pending cashout and credited my last installment. Now it's just a question of winning a lot of money at blackjack
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| Posted by: freakin at July 14, 2006, 6:44 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
I was apparently late rolling over the first deposit so I guess I'm still one behind all of you guys. I still haven't gotten my 3rd deposit.... i also lost my 2nd deposit trying to complete the extra rollover these guys are making me do...
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| Posted by: Jay at July 14, 2006, 11:09 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by B00T
*bump*
Did anyone not get a payment for July? Supposedly the 5th installment out of 4?
I assume you mean 4th.
No I didn't. The cashout of my 3rd installment has also been blocked. Pino said he'd be in touch about it Real Soon Now. Two weeks now, so I was thinking about starting a brand new thread on the subject.
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| Posted by: winbig at May 19, 2006, 10:00 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by freakin
I'm not sure how it works out if you didn't receive a bonus, but I belive for players that did receive a bonus, it is playthrough on whatever your balance is, regardless of whether or not you made money
I can understand that, it's the part of it being a blanket 4x, even for those that didn't take a bonus.
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| Posted by: freakin at May 19, 2006, 9:54 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by winbig
Oh how f'n generous of him. Does this playthrough apply only to those that recieved bonuses, or are players risking their own money for a playthrough that shouldn't exist?
I'm not sure how it works out if you didn't receive a bonus, but I belive for players that did receive a bonus, it is playthrough on whatever your balance is, regardless of whether or not you made money
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| Posted by: winbig at May 19, 2006, 8:46 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by freakin
He's decided to repay the players the full amount they are owed in 4 equal installments over 4 months, and require 4x playthrough on the amount each month.
Oh how f'n generous of him. Does this playthrough apply only to those that recieved bonuses, or are players risking their own money for a playthrough that shouldn't exist?
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| Posted by: freakin at May 19, 2006, 8:43 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by rainermaria
hmmm....I also deposited money in purepoker with an account I signed up for on February 9th it looks like. I played a considerable amount of blackjack and poker then got the same site inactive issues. I left town for a couple months due to some family emergencies and actually forgot all about the site. When going through old Neteller records today I noticed the withdrawal and attempted to log into the account and was told my account was inactive and I should contact Pino.
I contacted him this afternoon but haven't heard back yet. I hope I get a resolution to this as well.
How can they just inactivate my account with all of my money in there?
The former owners ran off without paying their players. Pino apparently has a handful of other sites with Futurebet and they asked him to clear up the situation. He's decided to repay the players the full amount they are owed in 4 equal installments over 4 months, and require 4x ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: rainermaria at May 19, 2006, 1:33 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
hmmm....I also deposited money in purepoker with an account I signed up for on February 9th it looks like. I played a considerable amount of blackjack and poker then got the same site inactive issues. I left town for a couple months due to some family emergencies and actually forgot all about the site. When going through old Neteller records today I noticed the withdrawal and attempted to log into the account and was told my account was inactive and I should contact Pino.
I contacted him this afternoon but haven't heard back yet. I hope I get a resolution to this as well.
How can they just inactivate my account with all of my money in there?
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| Posted by: Jay at May 5, 2006, 10:58 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Just to follow up...
The second "installment" has been put into my PurePoker account. The withdrawal for my first installment cleared in under three hours. A lot better than most casinos I've dealt with
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| Posted by: RakePayer at May 1, 2006, 6:47 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Well....having started this thread, I'm happy to say that its finally winding to an end. I've never had the troubles with Pino that some people are describing. I merely asked him for a description of the T&C and received them in the hour. When something was unclear, I asked, and he sent me a larger explanation and a calculation example. Whenever I email Pino I get a reply within the day, and to me its clear the guy is trying to make the best of a Former-PurePoker-Owners-created mess.
I've received the first of my four installments two weeks ago, played them 4x (made a little profit ), cashed them out some days ago and received it tonight.
So I (at least) am ery happy with the arrangements Pino and Futurebet (and let's not forget the meister) have made for me.
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| Posted by: Jay at April 19, 2006, 11:09 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jeremiahsjohnso
I'm not sure those terms are what anyone signed up for, but they don't sound overly onerous or unreasonable.
Why can't such an offer just be put in simple writing and issued to the players? It would probably end most of the discussion here.
Shortly after I posted here, Pino emailed me with confirmation of what the cashout rules, schedule, and wagering requirements are.
As this thread proves, you can never tell when someone you're dealing with online will just disappear (hit by a truck, or whatever), so it's good to at least get one written confirmation . I do believe Pino will honor the agreement anyway... as long as he doesn't get hit by a truck
(by the way, a few years ago a co-worker made a comment like that about me, and two days later my car was totalled by a cement truck on the highway)
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| Posted by: jeremiahsjohnso at April 19, 2006, 2:56 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
This is correct. I was contacted about a month ago, by phone, and offered the "wager four times and we'll give you all the money over four months" offer described here. When I accepted, one fourth of the total money owed to me was unlocked in my account.
However, I've never received anything in writing, which makes me a little nervous. This is the only casino I've ever played at that makes repeated phonecalls but sends no emails or physical letters. What I don't have is a schedule of when the next payment would arrive (today is exactly one month from the first one), or any indication of whether I'm allowed to cash out the money before the four months are up, or what. It's all ery informal, and I don't really like "informal".
I'm not sure those terms are what anyone signed up for, but they don't sound overly onerous or unreasonable.
Why can't such an offer just be put in simple writing and issued to ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: paul02085 at April 19, 2006, 2:43 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I was told last Tuesday that the finishing touches were being put on this. You should hear something soon.
soon = alles ist Relati
Boy what a great solution.
"This agreement was only possible with help and co-operation of Futurebet Gaming Systems (the software provider). Futurebet has made a huge effort to get his issue resolved to everyones satisfaction."
Many thanks to Futurebet for their "huge effort", lol.
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| Posted by: Jay at April 18, 2006, 11:54 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by JackShack
All Players have been contacted (including JAY) or at the ery least attempted to be contacted.
If you have not been contacted send an email to Pino@Purepoker.com
Notice to PurePoker.com customers.Pino has stepped in to help out all Purepoker customers. If you have an outstanding balance and have not yet been contacted send an email to Pino@purepoker.com. All players that had signed up and deposited funds prior to February 7th, 2006 may withdrawal at anytime. Players that signed up between February 7th and 17th will be paid out over the next 4 months with few conditions. Players that signed up after February 17th can also withdraw anytime.This agreement was only possible with help and co-operation of Futurebet Gaming Systems (the software provider). Futurebet has made a huge effort to get his issue resolved to everyones satisfaction.
This is correct. I was contacted about a month ago, by phone, and offered the "wager fou... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jetset at April 18, 2006, 9:29 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Apparently "Pino" did not appreciate my remark above, judging by the rather abrasive email I received from him today. I stand by those comments, nevertheless.
Pino says that every player owed has been looked after and is happy with the arrangements that he has apparently made with them in private on the contents of their accounts at PurePoker.
Whilst I cannot comment on that as it is outside the scope of my information I guess the players themselves will have the last word on it.
In the meantime, here's my response to this operator which really sums up my personal iew of the PurePoker debacle:
I'm not entirely sure I like your tone in this email, Pino but I will nevertheless give you the courtesy of a response.
If you have met all the PurePoker obligations to the legitimately owed players (and time will soon enough tell if you have) then the matter is clearly resolved, although the delays and attempts to bargain players down from what was ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jetset at April 17, 2006, 4:32 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
So, Pino's still involved in this solution, but without knowing what the *few conditions* pertaining to the withdrawals (which presumably cover all monies in player accounts) it is difficult to assess the fairness of this offer, and the 4months of instalments will not appeal to everyone.
How do the aggrieved players feel?
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| Posted by: JackShack at April 17, 2006, 3:48 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
All Players have been contacted (including JAY) or at the ery least attempted to be contacted.
If you have not been contacted send an email to Pino@Purepoker.com
Notice to PurePoker.com customers.Pino has stepped in to help out all Purepoker customers. If you have an outstanding balance and have not yet been contacted send an email to Pino@purepoker.com. All players that had signed up and deposited funds prior to February 7th, 2006 may withdrawal at anytime. Players that signed up between February 7th and 17th will be paid out over the next 4 months with few conditions. Players that signed up after February 17th can also withdraw anytime.This agreement was only possible with help and co-operation of Futurebet Gaming Systems (the software provider). Futurebet has made a huge effort to get his issue resolved to everyones satisfaction.
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| Posted by: Jay at April 16, 2006, 11:32 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jsp377
Pretty sure CM has been outta town, first for the affiliates conference in Amsterdam, then on acation in Spain. Should be back next Tuesday? Then hopefully we'll hear something good.
Well, I guess it's too much to ask that FutureBet would actually send an EMAIL to their customers who got locked out for two months due only to the fault of the casino...
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| Posted by: jsp377 at April 16, 2006, 6:09 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Pretty sure CM has been outta town, first for the affiliates conference in Amsterdam, then on acation in Spain. Should be back next Tuesday? Then hopefully we'll hear something good.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at April 3, 2006, 1:21 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jsp377
Any movement on this?
I was told last Tuesday that the finishing touches were being put on this. You should hear something soon.
soon = alles ist Relati
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| Posted by: Edvard at March 31, 2006, 2:18 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
My account is still set to inactive, i have tried contacting the casino ia email but i get no answear. I tried the live-support and they said they would get back to me but so far nothing
At least some of you seem to get an offer...
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| Posted by: cbe2869 at March 31, 2006, 9:40 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
This is ridiculous. I don't even have any money involved here and I'm disgusted. Pokerroom/Ongame shouldn't let their reputation be sullied by the likes of FutureBet and the skins they license to. I'm sick of PurePoker, Revolutionary, and Bayou. So I guess I'm really sick of FutureBet! Hard to believe Daniel Negraneu would be associated with a skin (Full Contact) licensed through these folks. I guess the next Future Bet license for a poker room will be going to Dutch Boyd. Now that wouldn't be surprising.
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| Posted by: Jay at March 29, 2006, 12:55 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Of course FB *can* pay. But the first responsibility is on the site, not the software provider. I don't think anyone here believes that FB has run out of money.
That said, my account is currently unlocked and I have a (verbal only) agreement to get my money over time, with added playthrough on my part. Since I left the money in there in order to play it anyway, that doesn't bother me. Never heard a peep from FB, and have nothing in writing (letter or email), so I'm mostly on faith here.. (but better to wait for a letter with an unlocked account and some of my money than a locked account and no money )
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| Posted by: SnowMan26 at March 28, 2006, 4:16 pm | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
Thanks Jetset,
Just don't know why they can't pay players when a deal like this has a payment schedual.... right around the time people are having problems......
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"1. A deposit of $325,000.00USD on closing. (Dec 14th/05)
2. Initial deposit to be paid to FutureBet Systems Inc. on delivery of all "assets", ie., newest source code ( known as ersion 2.4) with translated games in the languages described in Exhibit A.
3. Installments of $30,000.00USD 30 days after the closing and $40,000.00USD 60 days after the closing.
4. The balance of $255,000.00USD to be paid upon effectiveness of the Buyers registration statement and concurrent funding with Cornell Capital due payable no later then March 31st 2006. "
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| Posted by: jetset at March 28, 2006, 10:49 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
I'm open to correction on this, but I seem to recall that this deal referred to a sale to CYOPS of the source code (rather like the deal that was done with IGS, enabling them to 'tweak' same as opposed to a licensee who doesn't have that level of *ownership*
I'm not sure that it applies to this case other than an interesting deal by Futurebet on what must be its major asset.
QUOTE: The Seller further warrants that it is not selling their business, operations, employees or any other right with regard to operating their own business.UNQUOTE
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| Posted by: SnowMan26 at March 28, 2006, 9:46 am | | Topic: PurePoker did a hit-and-run? Forum: Casino Meister |
The following link is to an agreement found using Google.... on the sale of Futurebet Systems Inc. to CYOP Systems International Inc. on the 14th of December 2005.
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/01/...8/Section7.asp
take from it what you will.... Don't know why this document is online just found it interesting when I came across it looking into futureBet. I don't even know if the link is to an agreement which actually went through....
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