| Posted by: winbig at February 4, 2008, 7:04 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by bernynhel
That's it! We're busted!! C'mon WinBig, Petey, time to pack up n go home. WTG Thod! Now how am I sposed to make the payments on my lifetime supply of Oh So Special Deep Tissue Massages by Mistress Zephyr-Lin/50% Happy Finish Guaranteed???
you forgot the Ch34P \/14GR4!
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| Posted by: fatshaft at February 4, 2008, 3:32 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ak47poll
totally agree with everything you have said you have to be an idiot not to think they are fixed!! you can do anything with software EG with ideo pokers you can fix them never to pay a royal flush so goodness knows what these poker companies can do PS my girlfriend is a web designer and iternet marketing expert with a ery high IQ she played online poker after years of playing "real" cards 2 weeks later she said never again would she paly online poker Quote "the software is fixed"
Are we speaking in relative terms in relation to the "very high IQ" of your girlfriend?
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| Posted by: pokeraddict at February 4, 2008, 9:25 am | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
I tried to talk logically to this guy as I am not only a winning poker player but I'm not an affiliate, rep or anything related to these poker rooms. He won't be convinced because he has lost a ton of money and has to blame someone. You're basically just feeding the troll. When you stop feeding trolls they usually go away.
Anyone wondered why he won most annoying poster?
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| Posted by: Chatmaster at February 4, 2008, 8:50 am | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ThodorisK
All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.
I am a poker player, ex-casino employee and an affiliate. I do not promote poker as an affiliate, nor would you find my affiliate site's link anywhere in my signature, and am probably someone you would call a disgruntled ex-casino employee. But I have worked with online poker and also played it for many years. You speak from inexperience and have clearly been mislead to believe that people speaking up for poker must be people that can gain from their iews, financially. That is usually the stand point of someone that are so convinced of his own opinion that he cannot think neutrally abo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Chatmaster at February 4, 2008, 8:39 am | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ThodorisK
It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners.
Ok, lets just get this clear, you have absolutely no idea what you are saying. If you do the maths, what you are suggesting is a sure way for any poker room to close doors ery early. I can assure you that it is not the case. There are winners, infact there are players that makes a living playing online poker, a ery good living. They are brilliant players that have mastered all the aspects of online poker. Online poker is different to land based in many ways but mostly play strategy.
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| Posted by: bernynhel at February 4, 2008, 7:36 am | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ThodorisK
All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and.
That's it! We're busted!! C'mon WinBig, Petey, time to pack up n go home. WTG Thod! Now how am I sposed to make the payments on my lifetime supply of Oh So Special Deep Tissue Massages by Mistress Zephyr-Lin/50% Happy Finish Guaranteed???
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| Posted by: TDTAT at February 3, 2008, 12:10 am | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ThodorisK
It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners. Because in poker it is possible to have an edge even after a 5% rake is taken off from you.
If the cards were random, then some players, playing (in no limit tables) only the ery strong hands and fold everything else, would have a huge gross edge e.g. 20%. which less the 5% rake, leaves a net edge of e.g. 15%, and thus they would keep making profits. If there was no rake, they would make even greater profits. Thus the casinos would have to keep paying these winners. I guess this is what happened when online poker was first introduced, I guess it wasnt rigged and the cards were random. Casinos were paying much to some winners. So the managements decided to stop this profit leaking. So in the last years they manipulate the cards to force the advantage players to lose as ma... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TDTAT at February 2, 2008, 11:44 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ThodorisK
All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.
I understand your post, but I promote 99% online casinos,
so anyone playing online poker is losing to another
player, not the casino and therefore
I do not care if anyone plays online poker now... and would maybe
prefer they did not play poker
I used to play myself online and won on pokerstars,
I have no clue about other sites.. I hated Party..
If I thought it was really rigged as a whole I would say so..
I have noticed I am rather uninformed compared to many members
here though, so my posts really do not matter.
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| Posted by: winbig at February 2, 2008, 11:36 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ThodorisK
It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners. Because in poker it is possible to have an edge even after a 5% rake is taken off from you.
If the cards were random, then some players, playing (in no limit tables) only the ery strong hands and fold everything else, would have a huge gross edge e.g. 20%. which less the 5% rake, leaves a net edge of e.g. 15%, and thus they would keep making profits. If there was no rake, they would make even greater profits. Thus the casinos would have to keep paying these winners. I guess this is what happened when online poker was first introduced, I guess it wasnt rigged and the cards were random. Casinos were paying much to some winners. So the managements decided to stop this profit leaking. So in the last years they manipulate the cards to force the advantage players to lose as man... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ThodorisK at February 2, 2008, 11:29 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners. Because in poker it is possible to have an edge even after a 5% rake is taken off from you.
If the cards were random, then some players, playing (in no limit tables) only the ery strong hands and fold everything else, would have a huge gross edge e.g. 20%. which less the 5% rake, leaves a net edge of e.g. 15%, and thus they would keep making profits. If there was no rake, they would make even greater profits. Thus the casinos would have to keep paying these winners. I guess this is what happened when online poker was first introduced, I guess it wasnt rigged and the cards were random. Casinos were paying much to some winners. So the managements decided to stop this profit leaking. So in the last years they manipulate the cards to force the advantage players to lose as many extra times as necessary so that eventually they ma... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TDTAT at February 2, 2008, 1:34 am | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by winbig
yea....Gus loses quite a bit of the time on Full Tilt, but I never hear him yelling 'rigged'...what's up with that
The cards do not need to break even for Gus to win!! He is a monster
and he has given so many awful beats he can't say anything
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| Posted by: TDTAT at February 2, 2008, 1:28 am | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by winbig
Very....
The most I've had in front of me in my life is $10,000. I couldn't imagine having - let alone losing - almost $300K in one hand
I can tell you just watching it made my stomach turn...
the point is playing enough that it matters
to you ... then you know how you really play poker
those guys are pros because they do not consider the chips
money.. if they did they could not make those bets and could not
take the losses.. and remember Gus goes busted all the time
(never has trouble finding a backer)
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| Posted by: TDTAT at February 1, 2008, 7:55 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
I ran some poker rooms in Denver for a couple years (before they were busted.. SOCIAL CLUBS, lol)
before I found this beautiful thing called online
poker and then online casinos and then affiliation
I know some of the greats personally and when I walk into
Bobby's room a few people know me not because I play
good but because I am cute
You would be suprised with the amount of unbelievable
hands that come up frequently in live action. I can
not count the amount of unreal beats I have seen.
I would rarely have more than one table of live action
so it was not the Bellagio or even close. I have seen
it all and back to back and it does happen, and
sometimes frequenly.. I saw 2 ACTUAL bad beats..
quad over quads in less than an hour, and I know no one
was cheating because I hired the dealer and he was not
that smart!
I went on to find pokerstars.. I too thought
very bizarre things happened online but I was
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| Posted by: Chatmaster at February 1, 2008, 3:47 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by malleeboy
You have to remember, in live poker 12000 entries would take over 7 days (possibly 10) to complete. PokerStars can achieve that feat in around 5-6 hours. Now there are two reasons for that:
For a 30 year eteran you seem to ery convinced of your facts. I agree that the temptation must be there for the poker rooms, but the reality is that the online play is much faster than land based. There is no comparison in speed. 100's of tables playing at the same time at lighting fast speeds, table changes at the speed of thought. The reality is that online play simply moves that much faster.
Quote: Originally Posted by malleeboy
I have seen so many setups where three players are all holding pocket pairs - ensuring an all-in scenarios - this is rare in live play, Quads appearing in 4 hands within an hour - never seen that in all my 30 years of playing live, flushs to make you think these are as common as pairs and to top it ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Chatmaster at February 1, 2008, 3:11 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ak47poll
You are an idiot i worked for a company in ireland famous for its poker machines ETC which i cant name for obvious reasons we could fix the hands to what ever we wanted and you think the software on online poker cant be fixed LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OLOLOL
Mmmmmmm, You seem to think you are the only one that worked for these companies... How old are you, you sound ery young making such a groundless statement. Because the company where you worked rigged their machines everyone does? There is no clear cut evidence that poker rooms are rigged. Nor does it make any sense for them to do so. Infact the opposite is rather true, they know out of all the gambling experts amongst us, they will be caught if they do. The want to be fair to build that reputation of bing fair so they can rely on their followers to bring more honey, they love the rakes and the more players the more the rakes.
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| Posted by: winbig at January 31, 2008, 10:53 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lots0
Do you have any hard numbers to back up your statement? Or does it just "seem" to you like you see more Kings and Aces in the flops?
So ery true. There are few that admit they are lousy players, and almost every one of the people that think all rooms are rigged have stated they 'know how to play' or "they play an optimum strategy" or some such garbage.
I for one know I am lousy player and I make mistakes... lots of them, thats why you don't see me playing on Poker After Dark.
FWIW, Full Tilt is running tournaments for a seat on Poker After Dark....cheap too
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| Posted by: lots0 at January 31, 2008, 10:01 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
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Could someone please explain to me why there are so many aces and kings in the flops?
Do you have any hard numbers to back up your statement? Or does it just "seem" to you like you see more Kings and Aces in the flops?
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Those that think every online poker room is rigged are simply trying to find an excuse for why they consistently lose.
So ery true. There are few that admit they are lousy players, and almost every one of the people that think all rooms are rigged have stated they 'know how to play' or "they play an optimum strategy" or some such garbage.
I for one know I am lousy player and I make mistakes... lots of them, thats why you don't see me playing on Poker After Dark.
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| Posted by: winbig at January 31, 2008, 5:09 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ak47poll
You are an idiot i worked for a company in ireland famous for its poker machines ETC which i cant name for obvious reasons we could fix the hands to what ever we wanted and you think the software on online poker cant be fixed LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OLOLOL
....actually, no comment. Come back with you have solid proof.
It's been said time and time again, but still rings true: Those that think every online poker room is rigged are simply trying to find an excuse for why they consistently lose. If those people worked on trying to improve their game instead of spending countless hours trying to prove that the sites are rigged, these posts wouldn't exist.
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| Posted by: ak47poll at January 31, 2008, 2:52 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
You are an idiot i worked for a company in ireland famous for its poker machines ETC which i cant name for obvious reasons we could fix the hands to what ever we wanted and you think the software on online poker cant be fixed LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OLOLOL
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| Posted by: winbig at January 31, 2008, 2:47 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by malleeboy View Post
You have to remember, in live poker 12000 entries would take over 7 days (possibly 10) to complete. PokerStars can achieve that feat in around 5-6 hours. Now there are two reasons for that:
1. The games are faster online ( but not that fast (without help from rigged software) that 11,999 players are eliminated in 6 hours), and
There's one slight flaw in your logic. You seem to forget that live tournaments don't have a 15-20 second time clock for you to act. This definitely accounts for quite a bit of the speed in which a big tournament plays out.
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| Posted by: ak47poll at January 31, 2008, 2:47 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
totally agree with everything you have said you have to be an idiot not to think they are fixed!! you can do anything with software EG with ideo pokers you can fix them never to pay a royal flush so goodness knows what these poker companies can do PS my girlfriend is a web designer and iternet marketing expert with a ery high IQ she played online poker after years of playing "real" cards 2 weeks later she said never again would she paly online poker Quote "the software is fixed"
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| Posted by: ak47poll at January 31, 2008, 2:23 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Could someone please explain to me why there are so many aces and kings in the flops?! I wrote to 2 online poker companies and they couldnt explain why there were so many aces or kings in their flops!!
I watched 1000 flops and 687 times there was either a king or ace or both in the flops
I dealt 1000 flops with a deck of cards and 346 times there was an ace or king or both
It seems to me they fix the flops because everyone holds aces or kings!!!!!!!!!
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| Posted by: lots0 at January 25, 2008, 4:56 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
malleeboy, I love the way you avoid the logical argument. I guess you avoid the logical argument because you don't have any facts or evidence to support your claims.
I'll try again though... If 90% of poker rooms are cheating why aren't they getting caught and outed by the independent professionals or the professional players that monitor and play at them?
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The FBI and CIA are certainly not! Richard Nixon wasn't and he was running America.
Your tinfoil hat is showing...
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| Posted by: fatshaft at January 25, 2008, 11:31 am | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by malleeboy
Does this mean they don't? Just because someone has not put the money into cataloging and mapping hands from poker sites does not mean squeeky clean. The FBI and CIA are certainly not! Richard Nixon wasn't and he was running America.
Have you read what anyone else has written here? Many players, and nearly all regular high olume internet players us PT to track play, it's why Absolute were rumbled. With the millions of hands that these players have on record, not a single one has ever found anything wrong with any of the current online poker rooms as far as the RNG goes. If you can provide evidence outside of "I was rivered by a one outer" then not only will you be the first, but you'll also achieve instant fame as the man who "cracked the internet poker conspiracy". Your fame will be instant, so get to it I urge you.
Quote: Originally Posted by malleeboy
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| Posted by: malleeboy at January 25, 2008, 9:52 am | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by fatshaft
Well no it isn't, becasue Casinomeister was around and set-up in the days of online casinos (Someone correct me if I'm wrong).
At that time there were no online poker rooms, and nor were there any poker sections within the whole of the Casinomeister site.
It is only latterly that poker has come more into this site, but you will note, that despite the sterling work that the 'Meister does in outing and rogueing shady casino operations, in poker it is incredibly rare, with AP being one of the ery few. Even then there hasn't been a single case found ever of a site in someway rigging its software.
As you would say, that does I think prove a point?
Does this mean they don't? Just because someone has not put the money into cataloging and mapping hands from poker sites does not mean squeeky clean. The FBI and CIA are certainly not! Richard Nixon wasn't and he was running America. You have a lot of trouble understandi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: lots0 at January 24, 2008, 7:50 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
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Now I want you to do a test for me. This will prove to you that the sites manipulate the games. I want you to play at Pokerstars. Can you do that for me? Just play the freerolls.OK
How could anyone possibly tell anything playing free rolls? The play in free rolls is so erratic.
There are people (some that frequent this board) that are true professionals when it comes to analyzing play and software.
All the professionals will all tell you that there is NO WAY to tell if a software program is cheating unless you run tens if not hundreds of thousands of hands. So trying to analyze games by iewing two windows at the same time as you play is going to be about as accurate as a blind man in a pissing contest.
There are independent auditors that you can hire to check the alidly and randomness of the games.
So if 90% of all poker rooms are rigged, why haven't a single one of these professional independent auditors spoken up about it?
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| Posted by: fatshaft at January 24, 2008, 5:12 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by malleeboy
May I turn the argument back on you and say where is you evidence that there is no manipulation by the software? Just because sites operate gives no comfort to reputable enterprise! That is why we see so many of these sites operating offshore or Costa Rica. I think this forum and the need for casinomeister is enough evidence to prove my point. Besides I know what and how software is manipulted. Do you.?
Until you can have an open mind, I'm afraid beating a dead horse will achieve nothing
Well no it isn't, becasue Casinomeister was around and set-up in the days of online casinos (Someone correct me if I'm wrong).
At that time there were no online poker rooms, and nor were there any poker sections within the whole of the Casinomeister site.
It is only latterly that poker has come more into this site, but you will note, that despite the sterling work that the 'Meister does in outing and rogueing shady casino op... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: malleeboy at January 23, 2008, 2:21 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by GaryWatson
The evidence is in the fact that they do not need to. It makes no sense to alter the play as it is. Rake may be a higher % of their bankroll to some people at lower stakes but the higher up you go, it tends to max out every hand anyway. Again if you play Hi/Low, the rake will likely max out every hand. Why try to manipulate a winning formula. It doesnt benefit anyone
Gary, have you ever heard of the saying......."you cannot see the forest for the trees"? You are so blinded that you just cannot see the obvious! Again I stress to you, if all is above board as you say why do we have casinomeister?????
Now I want you to do a test for me. This will prove to you that the sites manipulate the games. I want you to play at Pokerstars. Can you do that for me? Just play the freerolls.OK
Now I want you to play Stud. I want you to pay particular notice to the cards you receive. Then after you are finished, I want you to play... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: GaryWatson at January 23, 2008, 1:47 pm | | Topic: I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by malleeboy
May I turn the argument back on you and say where is you evidence that there is no manipulation by the software?
The evidence is in the fact that they do not need to. It makes no sense to alter the play as it is. Rake may be a higher % of their bankroll to some people at lower stakes but the higher up you go, it tends to max out every hand anyway. Again if you play Hi/Low, the rake will likely max out every hand. Why try to manipulate a winning formula. It doesnt benefit anyone
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