| Posted by: vinylweatherman at June 5, 2006, 7:16 am | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Microgaming are not worried about Robots, they supply one in Viper!!!!
As for hand speed, unusual streak, etc. I once played a run of Vegas Strip Microgaming Blackjack as an experiment in the effect of the Autoplay.
After 80,000 hands I ended up 800 stake units AHEAD. Turning $6000 into $30000 would have required $30 per hand with the exact same game outcomes, hardly unusual for a player prepared to deposit $5000 in one go to stake $30 or more per hand!
With the low house edge and high comps, the whole game had a player edge, but even if it didn't, Online casinos ARE capable of this sort of run, and it doesn't mean the player had tampered with the software, in the same way that LOSING 800 units in a freak run of BJ does not necessarily mean the casino is rigged.
360 games an hour is not unreasonable, but maybe if this lasts for hours with no break as well, all leads the casino to suspect a robot device. If it was the case that the comp rate exceeded the house edge, then a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spearmaster at June 4, 2006, 8:20 pm | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMaster
He did not beat the game on comps. He says he deposited on 6 and 7 March, when the Playtech casinos were dealing a blackjack switch game with about 0.7% house edge. Even before the change, BJS with optimal strategy and standard comp points rates gave the player an advantage of less than 0.1%. You would have to play several millions of hands to to benefit from it with certainty.
He said:
Quote: Originally Posted by camelcharly
The house edge of this game(Playtec rule) "was" only 0.02% at that time. But the rule has changed to LasVegas rule.
Under Las Vegas rules the house edge is 0.18%.
The comp ratio is 0.1%-0.15%,and player had advantage
I took him at his word.
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at June 4, 2006, 8:05 pm | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by spearmaster
Anyhow, many of us were wondering how you did so well - so thank you for revealing that you simply beat the game on comps - ery simple to understand, but ultimately why PT went to Las Vegas rules!
He did not beat the game on comps. He says he deposited on 6 and 7 March, when the Playtech casinos were dealing a blackjack switch game with about 0.7% house edge. Even before the change, BJS with optimal strategy and standard comp points rates gave the player an advantage of less than 0.1%. You would have to play several millions of hands to to benefit from it with certainty.
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| Posted by: spearmaster at June 4, 2006, 4:46 pm | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by camelcharly
Spearmaster san
Thank you again!!ARIGATOOOO!
I will treat you the Japanese Best Coffee when you come to Japan drink:
I look forward to it, CC-san!
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Ian Willams was the maneger of Acropolis Casino since the casino was member of Stanley Leisure.
Actually, Ian-san only just recently took over when Acropolis was sold to Leisure & Gaming Corp.
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Very similar case happened 1.5years ago.
(The casino finally paid the total amount to Yoshimura.
It took about 2month to make casino pay Yoshimura's money.)
Actually, that was me too. I talked to the senior manager at that time, and told him basically the same thing - that one could not tamper with the software client to gain an advantage. That manager agreed and released the funds - it's too bad he's not involved anymore because I had met him on a number of occasions and genuinely... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: thelawnet at June 4, 2006, 11:49 am | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by spearmaster
Without my help, you could perhaps have used Casinomeister's Pitch-A-Bitch, or in some cases, eCOGRA or Montana depending on the casino.
Ultimately, however, we are all here to help ensure a level playing field for all. Sometimes misunderstandings occur, sometimes there are differing iewpoints.
In a perfect world, none of these misunderstandings would happen - but they do - that's why there are courts in every country as well.
Actually gambling debts are often considered 'contrary to public policy' and not enforceable.
That is why regulation is a good thing - and also to avoid organisations like ECOGRA, which can never be as objective as say the British gambling commission would be, since they are a bunch of casinos regulating themselves in effect.
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Maybe they didn't say it ery nicely. The end result is still the money in your account.
A casino may close any acc... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: camelcharly at June 4, 2006, 8:58 am | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Spearmaster san
Thank you again!!ARIGATOOOO!
I will treat you the Japanese Best Coffee when you come to Japan drink:
Let it Ride san
Thank you! You are also invited to the coffee shop
Flavio4321 san
Quote: Originally Posted by Flavio4321
Can you tell me how many hands were you playing, and what is the speed at wich you played those hands. I mean when they say "billions of hands of BJ" are they saying that you alone play a billion hands of BJ?, or is it my english that is getting it wrong.
My top BJ speed is around 800 hands per hour at Microgaming software, I donīt remember my top speed at playtech.
by the way, nice win !!
Thank you Flavio san
I played BlackJackSwtch most of the time.
In BlackJackSwitch,players play 2hands at 1game
and I think I played 360games/1hour (720hands/1hour)
Even if I say exaggeratedly,I played not more than 20000games.
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| Posted by: nektar4d at June 4, 2006, 2:47 am | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by TheBloke
Acropolis is run by the Stanley Leisure group...
Acropolis is not Stanleys anymore:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...is-casino.html
where u will see that:
Quote: Originally Posted by jetset
From Casinomeister News 21 October 2005
STANLEY LEISURE'S ONLINE GAMBLING INTERESTS SOLD
21 October 2005
GBP 1.86 million in cash, and another conditional GBP 280 000 the price
Starting the week with a bang is the news that Leisure and Gaming plc has acquired Stanley Entertainment NV, the online casino business of Stanley Leisure plc, for GBP 1.86 million in cash and a potential deferred payment of a further GBP280,000.
The purchaser will benefit from bigger UK and European revenue streams and an extended customer base for its international business. The acquisition also complements the VIP Group business, which Leisure and Gaming acquired in June 2005... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TheBloke at June 4, 2006, 1:22 am | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by paul02085
Last i remember Acropolis was being "managed" by Golden Palace. Is that still the case or am i all wrong here?
I don't think that's ever been the case (are you thinking of Aspinalls?)
Acropolis is run by the Stanley Leisure group, who own many B+M casinos and bingo halls across the UK (and maybe the world, not sure)
So they're a big group, and therefore you would expect them to be completely reputable.
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| Posted by: dreamtheatre at June 3, 2006, 9:36 pm | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
From the way he writes i sense that chamelcharly is a ery clever person. He explains everything ery ratioanally and i am glad he took all his money.But i would not want him as a gambling opponent. I think spearmaster has done a ery good job here. But i also think that the casino was clearly trying to cheat chamel from his money and i believe this casino deserves no good words. It does not matter that chamel took his money. The casino tried to cheat but failed. Cheating while gambling and attempting to cheat are exactly the same things. And cheating must be severely punished.
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| Posted by: Flavio4321 at June 3, 2006, 7:49 pm | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by camelcharly
In our expert opinion, it is impossible that a human player can play, legally, as fast as you have done and to a perfect strategy 100% of the time, we have seen billions of hand of BJ. To this end we are confident that you are using robots or a similar device.
Can you tell me how many hands were you playing, and what is the speed at wich you played those hands. I mean when they say "billions of hands of BJ" are they saying that you alone play a billion hands of BJ?, or is it my english that is getting it wrong.
My top BJ speed is around 800 hands per hour at Microgaming software, I donīt remember my top speed at playtech.
by the way, nice win !!
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| Posted by: Let_It_Ride at June 3, 2006, 7:16 pm | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by camelcharly
They made my account closed.
If they believe I'm innocent,why do they close my account?
(It's OK.I don't want to play at that casino again. Just curious.)
I don't want anything more from Acropolis casino,
I'm not angry with this casino any more.
I just wanted to let online casino players know about this issue and
let them prevent from the cheat of the casino.
nice hit and good news they paid you, don't worry about them closing your account, why give them a chance to get it back. There are some good casinos out there, give them your business instead
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| Posted by: spearmaster at June 3, 2006, 1:33 pm | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by camelcharly
Without your help,the issue might not have been solved.
It will happen to any players won big at this casino
and if the player don't know whom to consult
his winnings are forfeited.
Without my help, you could perhaps have used Casinomeister's Pitch-A-Bitch, or in some cases, eCOGRA or Montana depending on the casino.
Ultimately, however, we are all here to help ensure a level playing field for all. Sometimes misunderstandings occur, sometimes there are differing iewpoints.
In a perfect world, none of these misunderstandings would happen - but they do - that's why there are courts in every country as well.
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I don't think the casino regret the inconvenience caused.
They do not say an apology to me.
They send me only this e-mail.
Hi
I have instructed the accounts team to pay all outstanding balances that are in your ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: camelcharly at June 3, 2006, 1:01 pm | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Thank you for everything !
I wish to express my gratitude.
The issue has not solved without your help!
But...
The probrem is exactly there.
Without your help,the issue might not have been solved.
It will happen to any players won big at this casino
and if the player don't know whom to consult
his winnings are forfeited.
and..
I don't think the casino regret the inconvenience caused.
They do not say an apology to me.
They send me only this e-mail.
Hi
I have instructed the accounts team to pay all outstanding balances that are in your account to your preferred payment method. Hopefully this will be done today.
Unfortunately, the decision to close the casino account has been upheld.
Thank you for your business.
Best regards,
Ian
They made my account closed.
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| Posted by: spearmaster at June 3, 2006, 10:50 am | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Welcome to Casinomeister, CC!
Your issue was resolved because I explained to the casino that robots do not give players any advantage in the first place, and secondly I believed that you did not use a robot in any case.
After a short discussion it was determined that nothing was wrong, hence your winnings were released.
As for Mr. Netella - his funds were apparently released on the same day but for some inexplicable reason Playtech support did not process the payment - I checked up on that earlier this week and the casino itself had to go and apply pressure to Playtech - the slow payment was not the casino's fault.
While I can't speak for the casino, I am sure they regret the inconvenience caused.
I hope I have the privilege of seeing you again on my next trip to Japan.
Best regards,
Spearmaster
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| Posted by: camelcharly at June 3, 2006, 10:19 am | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Several affiliaters replied to my mail.
Many Japanese webmasters and players believed me and got angry.
(Because I am a webmaster of onlinecasino BLOG and they know me well.)
They write about insincerity of Acropolis casino at BBS and their BLOGs
one player made banner to publish at BLOGs.
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/orz_ab...d/bd3e3a91.jpg
The casino said to me:
The Casino decision is final.
Fortunately my own $30,000 was paid.
BUT
If I'm not a webmaster of BLOG and no one believes me..
If there are no support of Mr ocf and Mr Spearmaster...
I think my winnings are not paid.
DO YOU STILL TRUST ACROPOLIS CASINO?
This is not only happen to me.
Mr.Nettela (also Japanese player and webmaster of casino blog) won $33,000
at AcropolisCasino and he also received a mail from Acropolis saying
We may at any time without prior notice to you terminate your us... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: camelcharly at June 3, 2006, 7:54 am | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
I scared and replied the mail.
cc wrote:
I played with my own hands.
I never used robots and similar devices.
Your software has never encountered the speed of play which I am playing?
OK come to Japan and I will play exactly same speed as I played in front of you.
Are you trying to decieve my money???
DO YOU STEAL MONEY IF PLAYERS WON LOT?
Pay ME NOW!
JUST CHECK MY ACCOUNT.
AGAIN,I HAVE NEVER USED ROBOTS.
I PLAYED WITH MY HANDS LIKE ALL PLAYERS DO.
Ian Williams(Acropolis casino) wrote:
The Casino decision is final.
In our expert opinion, it is impossible that a human player can play, legally, as fast as you have done and to a perfect strategy 100% of the time, we have seen billions of hand of BJ. To this end we are confident that you are using robots or a similar device.
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| Posted by: camelcharly at June 3, 2006, 6:54 am | | Topic: WARNING! non-payment of winnings at acropolis casino Forum: Casino Meister |
Hello.My name is cc.I'm a Japanese onlinecasino player and
webmaster of online casino BLOG.(not an affiliater.)
I deposit
$5000 6th March
$1000 7th March
without recieving any bonus to acropolis casino.
I played a lot,and won a lot!
My deposit was increased to $30,000!
and I made withdraw 19th March.
sent me an e-mail 21th March.
Dear cc,
Thank you for choosing Acropolis Casinos.
We are currently processing your withdrawal request. To complete this process, we must ask that you forward a notarized copy of your photo ID to:
Acropolis Casinos
*** Building, *** Floor
*** Road
Antigua
West Indies
Express mail is recommended, as regular post may take 2-3 weeks. Once the requested document is received, it will be added to a secure file and we will advise you accordingly on the matter.
We deeply regret any inconvenience caused, b... | | Read Entire Entry |
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