| Posted by: rowmare at June 14, 2006, 6:52 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Pinababy69
Hi Row, haven't seen you in a while. On a real quick perusal of your site, I see both All Jackpots and Wildjack on your main page. Just wondering if you plan to take them down? I know that sometimes these things can't happen immediately, and I'm really not trying to put anyone on the spot, but I have to ask. Given your comments above, it would seem that you do condemn the casino's actions.
My daughter gave birth to a little girl last week, the birth kept us up all night and the next day, and I don't recover ery quickly from a missed night of sleep! Between that and doing some garden renos for my elderly parents, I can safely say I'm not playing with a full deck here. Too tired to even look for all the cards.
I didn't even know this thread was going - never mind that I was quoted in it...
I did update my site earlier today - before finding this thread, I might add!
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 14, 2006, 12:47 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
I checked out quite a few websites today to see who is advertising JF, where the placement is, are reviews up to date...that type of thing. One thing I found slightly disturbing is that ALOT of sites are still advertising all the JF casinos as holding the Seal of Approval from eCOGRA. It's been eight days since eCOGRA's statement. At the ery least, shouldn't the reviews of these casinos be amended to correctly reflect their current standing with eCOGRA. How difficult is it to delete a couple of lines of text? Seems awfully misleading to me to send players there telling them that the casinos are eCOGRA approved when in fact they are not.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 12, 2006, 7:24 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
I'm not sure if the guy who runs this mobilemicrogaming.com works for Jackpot Factory, or is simply a webmaster who is an affiliate. I don't see any affiliate "links" on his site, but the domain doesn't trace to Spiral or Spinspark or Spinshare. Maybe someone else can have a look at it? Anyway, my point was really just to let people know about Spinshare.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 12, 2006, 7:15 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
I just happened to see a post in the Webmaster's section by a guy who wanted link exchanges with his site...mobilemicrogaming.com, which of course promotes who else but JF, Wildjack in particular. Well, it turns out that the affiliate program for this particular sector of the casinos is a company called Spinshare. Nifty combo of Brightshare and Spinspark.
Registrant:
Spinspark Ltd
1st Floor Exchange House,
54-58 Athol Street
Douglas, Isle Of Man IM1 1JD
GB
44 1624-625330
Domain Name: SPINSHARE.COM
I know there are some who would probably run to sign up as an affiliate and promote something new, but for those who want NOTHING to do with JF, this is just a heads up.
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| Posted by: henryVIII at June 9, 2006, 3:22 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Pinababy69
I was not referring to anyone here Henry, I was referring to Jackpot Factory "making light" of death, among many other of life's sad conditions.
Yes, quite apt, it kind of makes this even more pertinent in a way.
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| Posted by: Scooter7 at June 9, 2006, 1:19 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by bb1webs
I guess I am missing something Spear. *(its been a long couple of weeks. My grandfather passed away 2 days ago, and for the last 2 weeks I've been sitting up nights with him and then someone else took over for me in the mornings, but its still been a strain. so I admit I'm a bit off my usual.)
My condolences to you on your loss.
Please don't inform Boaz or JF. They'll write a story about it to entice you to play
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| Posted by: mitch at June 9, 2006, 11:42 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
A bit reluctant to post this as the concept is not in the best of taste.
But here we go.
What if someone suggested to bb1webs that he would feel much better indeed feel positively cheerful after his loss if only he would start playing slots at Allslots casino. How would bb1webs feel? Pretty outraged I expect.
This group has been doing this all over the web to heaven knows how many people.
How could any reasonable person at this group credibly claim they had somehow not appreciated this effect!
Mitch
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 9, 2006, 11:40 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Ivy29
That stuff from JF is there to generate hits from searches by hopefully gullible people. Period.
I absolutely agree Ivy. Unfortunately, to attain that objective, they have (in my mind) made light of or poked fun at some of the saddest human conditions. And that will never be right or acceptable, for any reason.
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| Posted by: Ivy29 at June 9, 2006, 11:36 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
I'd like to think people wouldn't believe this crap, but they are seeing maybe one of these pages during a search (like for making extra income online), so ???
People believe what they want to believe. My elderly mother-in-law finally got busted by my husband and he had to start reading her mail because she was buying books and magazine subscriptions that she and no one else in the family really wanted or needed, just because she got all that special mail from Reader's Digest and Publisher's Clearinghouse that she was going to win. She'd call up her boys and tell them to be at her house when they had the live drawing for Pub. Cl. because she really thought she was going to win.
That stuff from JF is there to generate hits from searches by hopefully gullible people. Period.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 9, 2006, 11:13 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by henryVIII
That is ery true though Im sure nobody was!?
I was not referring to anyone here Henry, I was referring to Jackpot Factory "making light" of death, among many other of life's sad conditions.
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| Posted by: spearmaster at June 9, 2006, 9:39 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by bb1webs
I guess I am missing something Spear. *(its been a long couple of weeks. My grandfather passed away 2 days ago, and for the last 2 weeks I've been sitting up nights with him and then someone else took over for me in the mornings, but its still been a strain. so I admit I'm a bit off my usual.)
Sorry to hear that; my condolences.
Quote:
Anyway, as I understand it, JF has created a bunch of SEO pages with silly text like ... play at allslots and win and you can dump your wife-beating husband, or we guarantee you will win and become rich by playing at allslots .
or stuff to that effect. Completely absurb text stuffed with keywords in an attempt to get some free traffic.
No one has any argument with reasonable attempts to gain more traffic. However, the issue here is that they deliberately and maliciously targeted ulnerable people, and went out of their way to try and trick people into believing th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bb1webs at June 9, 2006, 9:20 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
I guess I am missing something Spear. *(its been a long couple of weeks. My grandfather passed away 2 days ago, and for the last 2 weeks I've been sitting up nights with him and then someone else took over for me in the mornings, but its still been a strain. so I admit I'm a bit off my usual.)
thus the reason you or anybody hasn't seen me around much lately.
Anyway, as I understand it, JF has created a bunch of SEO pages with silly text like ... play at allslots and win and you can dump your wife-beating husband, or we guarantee you will win and become rich by playing at allslots .
or stuff to that effect. Completely absurb text stuffed with keywords in an attempt to get some free traffic.
and then when caught although they took responsibility for the situation: they took too long to take down the offending pages.
what else am I missing?
I mean I admit its sleazy stuff but why doesn't JF deserve the same benefit of doubt that has often ti... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jetset at June 9, 2006, 8:12 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
We also now have an indicator that JF may have been economical with the truth in its original reaction to this debacle, in which it claimed that the SEO work at the root of this evil was outsourced:
Quote from PinaBaby, substantiated by some cool sleuthing recently:
QUOTE:The company that owns the firm who did all this crap, is the same company who owns Jackpot Factory. End of story for me. UNQUOTE
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| Posted by: spearmaster at June 9, 2006, 6:18 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
... oh boy, my friend BB (long time no see!)
You better slow down and read again. That quote you made above was a post by someone making FUN of JF...
... and you know I wouldn't say this if I didn't mean it - but the proverbial garden path comes to mind. You are either being led wildly astray, or you have let your thinking be completely distracted by something else.
Please - for your own sake - study the evidence at hand.
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| Posted by: bb1webs at June 9, 2006, 2:28 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi again,
you know Pina I must have read the first 15 or 20 pages and then gave up because it was all or most was the same.
now after reading only a couple of pages (I think 30 and 31) ... well after reading that and iewing for instance ...
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To: Job Applicant
From: Boaz Sassoon ("Vidal" to his friends)
Subject: Writing Sample
Dear Sir
Further to your recent application, please complete the following assignment in no more than twenty minutes.
You are required to write a brief story, about a one legged cross eyed leprosy sufferer who likes to play at All Slots casino. The more morally abhorrent and offensive the better.
It's important that whilst at the beginning of the story the main character seemingly has nowhere to turn, the introduction of All Slots casino should turn the characters life around and make everything better in the world and happy and rosy!
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| Posted by: Scooter7 at June 9, 2006, 12:15 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by dominique
Ok, I haven't posted on this because I have not decided what to do yet.
Some random thoughts:
I have not had player complaints for this group, with the exeption of two that were my own fault because I had an outdated bonus listed on my site.
I have not had affiliate complaints for this group except about an accounting method - bundling - that many other programs share.
I have played there myself and found nothing to complain about.
The SEO work they contracted was totally assinine and the writer should be shot.
It was so stupid it would likely have harmed them more than done them good and y'all did them a big favor catching this.
I can't imagine anyone believing any of that BS about playing slots.
They did move quickly to get rid of that stuff.
It really was the worst, immoral, unethical and idiotic dribble I have ever seen.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 8, 2006, 10:42 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tories-31.html
Steve, start from the bottom of the page, and on the next page is where you'll see the ad for "creative writers". And then, if you're so inclined, carry on from there. It's Spiral Solutions by the way that owns all of it. That seemed to make a difference to Dominique, from what she posted in the other thread.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 8, 2006, 10:37 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by bb1webs
If it had been me ... I could see writing stuff like that just out of boredom, mistakenly thinking that nobody was ever going to read them anyway ... what lost in amongst all those other (somewhat more legit) pages.
Steve, have you read the other thread? They advertised for people to write this stuff, seriously. I'll find you the link, but it's on the last four or five pages of the thread. A company called Spinspark actually advertised for stay-at-home moms, etc. to send them "samples" to see what they could come up with.
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| Posted by: bb1webs at June 8, 2006, 10:31 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
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The company that owns the firm who did all this crap, is the same company who owns Jackpot Factory.
so you're saying they didn't outsource, but rather an employee did this? That still doesn't really surprise me that upper management didn't know what the employee was doing.
of course I don't know for certain, but I imagine the web design/upkeep is done by someone different than the person who manages the casino side of things and if that is true then for me ... its no big step to believe that ONCE AGAIN (because I've harped about this ery thing to Lloyd, and now its finally come back to really, really bite them in the ass) that poor (and obviously tardy) communication combined with lack of double-checking before opening mouth ... has put JF exactly in the position they find themselves.
but its just too hard for me to buy that the owner read (that crap) and said, "wow what a really good idea to target people who would likely have no money". ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dominique at June 8, 2006, 10:18 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Ok, I haven't posted on this because I have not decided what to do yet.
Some random thoughts:
I have not had player complaints for this group, with the exeption of two that were my own fault because I had an outdated bonus listed on my site.
I have not had affiliate complaints for this group except about an accounting method - bundling - that many other programs share.
I have played there myself and found nothing to complain about.
The SEO work they contracted was totally assinine and the writer should be shot.
It was so stupid it would likely have harmed them more than done them good and y'all did them a big favor catching this.
I can't imagine anyone believing any of that BS about playing slots.
They did move quickly to get rid of that stuff.
It really was the worst, immoral, unethical and idiotic dribble I have ever seen.
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| Posted by: derelict at June 8, 2006, 9:46 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMaster
But someone with gambling problems could believe that the reason he has been losing is that he has been playing the wrong kind of slots, and once he starts playing JF slots he is guaranteed to win. Someone with desperate financial problems might fall for the stories about people giving up their jobs and making a living by gambling. Many of the stories were aimed at ulnerable people who might be clutching at straws and not be able to make a rational decision.
I know what you're saying, but in reading the stories, I didn't get the impression that they were written with the intent of being taken seriously. It was pointed out that the text was previously the same color as the background so as not to be readable. I would guess that some search engines had means to detect this trick, so the text was made human readable to appear legitimate to spiders.
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| Posted by: TheBloke at June 8, 2006, 9:28 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMaster
But someone with gambling problems could believe that the reason he has been losing is that he has been playing the wrong kind of slots, and once he starts playing JF slots he is guaranteed to win. Someone with desperate financial problems might fall for the stories about people giving up their jobs and making a living by gambling. Many of the stories were aimed at ulnerable people who might be clutching at straws and not be able to make a rational decision.
Agreed. To put it more bluntly - most people are stupid. That's why they call a $5/min premium rate number when a letter arrives saying "You have won a $1m prize ... or a pebble"
Scammers, con-men, and advertising/marketing executives have made lots of money throughout history because of this.
Almost by definition, anyone reading these forums is not stupid. It's the rest of the world that we're trying to protect.
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at June 8, 2006, 9:09 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by derelict
Nobody was going to believe that playing slots would cause their deceased pets to come back to life.
But someone with gambling problems could believe that the reason he has been losing is that he has been playing the wrong kind of slots, and once he starts playing JF slots he is guaranteed to win. Someone with desperate financial problems might fall for the stories about people giving up their jobs and making a living by gambling. Many of the stories were aimed at ulnerable people who might be clutching at straws and not be able to make a rational decision.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 8, 2006, 8:25 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Steve, I give you full credit for going the distance to ensure that your player was looked after. Not all affiliates are so tenacious, or generous.
I don't doubt you when you say that you believe that upper management had no hand in this. But it's here where we disagree. Given what's come to light today, I will never be sold on the fact that this was the work of one overzealous employee. The company that owns the firm who did all this crap, is the same company who owns Jackpot Factory. End of story for me. But hey, I admire anyone whose convictions are as strong as mine, even if we don't agree. I also believe that some of that conviction of yours comes from confidence in Lloyd, and I really believe that the casino has put him out on the front lines for that ery reason. He has the respect and trust of the affiliate community, who better to deal with this issue publicly? And yet, he's probably the one person who really didn't know this shit was going on. Sort of ironic.
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| Posted by: bb1webs at June 8, 2006, 8:10 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi again,
first let me say that I totally respect your work in this niche Pina; and I respectfully choose to disagree on this matter; while overall I still have issues with the aff side that JF uses; because they choose to bundle their network.
second I have to say that I find the text so absurd that its tempting to say that anybody stupid enough to fall for that crap deserves what they get .... but in fact I can understand how it is possible that somebody so ery down on their luck/life that they might actually believe ... but realistically I think it is unlikely any reasonable thinking person is going to read such an insult to one's own intelligence and come away inspired by anything that I have read ...
that said; the best thing I can offer to show that I believe JF did not in fact know what was going on; is not by a current explanation of things, but rather by an explanation I had sent a player over a recent issue involving ... allslots (or all jackpots, I forget whic... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spearmaster at June 8, 2006, 4:57 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Goodlatte and co are not the least bit interested in protecting Americans - though obviously they would like everyone to think so, and they will take any ammunition they can get. Their only objective is to hang their hats on some issue they can call their own.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 8, 2006, 3:39 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by derelict
But from my perspective as a player, there are far worse things to be concerned about.
And how do you think Goodlatte and his anti-gaming lobbyists in Washington are going to iew this? As harmless? Targeting and making light of disadvantaged groups of people? If you believe this is no more important than a simple "bad strategy" marketing campaign, no amount of debate will ever convince you I guess.
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| Posted by: derelict at June 8, 2006, 3:36 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Pinababy69
BB1Webs, no offense, but why don't you read the last two or three pages of the main JF thread, stuff that's just been posted in the last hour. Then come back and tell me that JF had no knowledge of what was being done. Thanks.
I believe they knew exactly what they were doing, but still agree with the sentiment. Yes, it's undesirable, especially from a search engine/affiliate point of iew, but please, call it what it is. Tricky SEO.
Nobody was going to believe that playing slots would cause their deceased pets to come back to life. They were playing the optimization game and they did it well. Amazingly well. In fact, after I saw this thread I started noticing their results in some of my own searches. Is this bad? Absolutely. But from my perspective as a player, there are far worse things to be concerned about.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 8, 2006, 3:20 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by bb1webs
Frankly I'm surprised there has been so much controversy raised over this matter. Has anyone that is owed money not been paid? Was there evidence of a game(s) which are rigged? Has JF refused to aknowledge the situation?
the answer to all three questions is no. While I am no big fan of bundling (which is SOP for the aff program of JF), and from an affiliate's pov, a ery undesirable trait: my main concern has always been and will continue to be whether or not the player (the people who put their trust in my judgement) is 1. getting paid / fair games
2. getting decent customer service
If this is your sole criteria on judging whether a casino deserves to be promoted, then I'm banging my head against a wall here. The answer to your first two questions is no. The answer to the third is a resounding yes....they have totally failed to accept responsibility, instead choosing to blame this mess on outsourcing, and on one person.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 8, 2006, 3:02 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
BB1Webs, no offense, but why don't you read the last two or three pages of the main JF thread, stuff that's just been posted in the last hour. Then come back and tell me that JF had no knowledge of what was being done. Thanks.
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| Posted by: bb1webs at June 8, 2006, 2:40 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi,
perhaps I missed something but as I understand things, all JF did that has everyone upset is to have made a bad decision on who they hired for their SEO.
that could happen to anybody. And while I don't claim to know a lot about SEO, it seems to me that there surely couldn't be that much quality traffic derived from the sort of keywords/phrases which were targeted by the idiot who did the SEO.
JF has aknowledged the situation and made efforts to make things right. Whether they dragged their feet or not is in my opinion each individual's interpretation of the situation. One must remember that in these cases there are often more than one person involved in the decison making process and therefore time must be allowed for the process to make its rounds and then after the decision has been confirmed, time allowed for the changes to take place.
I know this won't sit well with some folks here, but in my opinion if this is the worst JF has ever done, they're still... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Pinababy69 at June 8, 2006, 8:24 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory/Affiliates and Players Forum: Casino Meister |
Just to clarify one other point. The Grand Prive banners went up AFTER I removed my 32Red material. Again, I had no control over that, they are not mine. More importantly, that is a separate issue and should not be allowed to cloud this one, which in case anyone has forgotten, is Jackpot Factory and their disgusting marketing tactics.
You've only strengthened my resolve, so thanks for that.
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