| Posted by: Casinomeister at July 10, 2006, 3:20 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by marcholmes
Guess who's back
Been on the nightmare shifts at this place I don't work at (in your opinion!)
Right, the 50 metres issue - CM you're gonna have to give me more details, I've done some hunting around and the nearest person I know of who works at my place lives about 5/6 miles away from me, that's 7545 metres plus by my reckoning.
The phone numbers - I now never give a real number to casinos. The reason being I have received calls from casino operators at 3am - not ery impressive. So I make em up - you can get BR to phone the numbers, I'll be surprised if any of them work.
The duplicate number? If you tell me what number it is I may be able to help shed some more light on it.
I'm not wasting a minute more of my time here.
Thread upgraded to "closed".
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| Posted by: marcholmes at July 10, 2006, 3:12 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Guess who's back
Been on the nightmare shifts at this place I don't work at (in your opinion!)
Right, the 50 metres issue - CM you're gonna have to give me more details, I've done some hunting around and the nearest person I know of who works at my place lives about 5/6 miles away from me, that's 7545 metres plus by my reckoning.
The phone numbers - I now never give a real number to casinos. The reason being I have received calls from casino operators at 3am - not ery impressive. So I make em up - you can get BR to phone the numbers, I'll be surprised if any of them work.
The duplicate number? If you tell me what number it is I may be able to help shed some more light on it.
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| Posted by: Random#rs at July 10, 2006, 8:08 am | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Well, I just read the whole thread, all 37 pages; It was like watching a good ole Columbo episode on TV. Very interesting and thoroughly executed by the Meister.
It just about covered all the key Evils screwing up Online gambling ... Bonuses, Multiple accounts, the SS Casino Cyber police, This ridiculous ID matter, and don't say its all legit or even necessary; I had Cirrus Casino hang me up over 3 months for $25 on an ID issue that borderlined on insane, Inane communication from CS. And oh yes 'the computer ID'. FYI there is a unique CPU ID for every Intel processor; (maybe AMD too I don't know) I can read mine with a simple utility, its like 17 digits and letters long.
I will not play at any Casino online until I've confirmed they're satisfied with my registration and ID before I wager a single dollar; and get it in writing! The OP here may have opened 7 Accounts, but is the Casino system in general designed to run with the cart before the horse? I mean to say do they allow the o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: valton at July 8, 2006, 6:22 am | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
My wife will probably kick my a-- for postng to this thread. I spent over an hour, yes an actual hour, just scanning through the thread. Thank G-D, for the Meister's Eisenhower shots of himself to stop and read. Better than the Hannibal Lechter look, lmao. Anyway, when I first read the thread I was ready to tell my wife never play in Bellerock again. I have seen less than adequate service from them in their call center recently and fewer bonus offers. In regard to bonuses, I don't care, but the missus loves them. We
gamble currently around 4 k per month, and avoid Bellrocke for the reasons stated. Although, we have been receiving buy 50 get 100 bonus from Jon (casino pr guy) for the past month. I guess they see we are playing their competitors, lmao. Look, bottom line it, obviously, these goof balls in the name of, Sherlock, err marcholmes, are trying to win ripping off the system. However, until about page 26, I was ready to think BR a--holes and money hungry. My point is simply this, CM, you got ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mitch at July 7, 2006, 11:48 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
It's my prerogative. I'm trying to get my 500 Euros worth.
Aren't fraud investigations great!
Admit it Meister you have had 500 euros worth in job satisfaction already.
Marcholmes eventual tale was getting too convoluted by the end.
I always say, look for the simple explanation (eg in this case probably the most common internet casino fraud -- multiple accounts) to begin with. It's amazing how often that turns out to be the right answer in the end.
Mitch
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| Posted by: soflat at July 7, 2006, 2:22 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by marcholmes
50 metres? LMAO - I doubt it ery much, I honestly suggest you give me the name of this person and I can tell you what I know about that person. 50 metres?
If you have the same phone number, why don't you just pick up the phone and ask for his/her name? You might have to try all six of your phone numbers though.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at July 4, 2006, 7:46 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by marcholmes
50 metres? LMAO - I doubt it ery much, I honestly suggest you give me the name of this person and I can tell you what I know about that person. 50 metres?
I have Casinomeister Spycam and can zoom up to within several hundred meters of your house. I've attached an example of what I'm looking at. (don't worry, this is not your house).
I'm checking the address that you supplied to all the casinos you signed up with, and coincidentally it's pretty close in proximity another address of one of your co-workers - the one who used your telephone number. Actually, since this person signed up before you did, you used theirs.
But then these addresses might be bogus for all I know. Since you were probably hoping for a Neteller cashin and not a delivered check. One odd thing is that you've signed up with five separate phone numbers in six accounts. How many phones do you have anyway?
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at July 4, 2006, 7:32 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Same phone no and 50metres up the road. Well, this gives the ID of the person "50 metres up the road", as they used the same phone number as you Markholmes". There is no need for BR to release this name, look up all the names of people 50 metres up the road and find one whose phone number is the same as you signed up with. If none are found, then maybe someone 50 metres up the road has used your phone number.
Much of this is online now, no need for paper phone directories.
If anyone involved here ever played on an account not registered in their name, or allowed someone else to play an account in their name, this is another breach of T & C, and is used to cover casinos in the event of "Identity Rental". This is an easy fraud to perpetrate, and rather hard to find out. If this was the suspected case, it would explain all the oddities in the processes BR were going through. Similar to police questioning a suspect, they try to ask a few "irrelevant" qu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TheBloke at July 4, 2006, 7:12 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Marc, give it up won't you? Clearly there isn't a hope in hell of you getting your winnings, and every day it appears the case against you gets stronger and stronger.
Take your deposits and be glad they weren't kept too. If you really are innocent then it will hurt, but that's life and shit happens. To be honest tho it just sounds like you're guilty as hell and flogging a dead horse for no good reason.
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| Posted by: marcholmes at July 4, 2006, 5:21 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
Okay, if you want me to take this up another notch I will.
As per our agreement, and yours with Bellerock, they are sharing with me any information that will help me solve this.
Your street address is about 50 meters from the address of one of your "co-workers". On one occassion, you have both used the same phone number when registering one of the casino accounts. Oops!
So how coincedental is this? You unknowingly use the same computer at "work". This person lives just meters from your place. And this person uses your phone number when he/she opens the account.
Why are you using the same phone number as your neighbor who is a fellow employee?
Is this computer really at work or is it at home?
50 metres? LMAO - I doubt it ery much, I honestly suggest you give me the name of this person and I can tell you what I know about that person. 50 metres?
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at July 4, 2006, 12:57 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Okay, if you want me to take this up another notch I will.
As per our agreement, and yours with Bellerock, they are sharing with me any information that will help me solve this.
Your street address is about 50 meters from the address of one of your "co-workers". On one occassion, you have both used the same phone number when registering one of the casino accounts. Oops!
So how coincedental is this? You unknowingly use the same computer at "work". This person lives just meters from your place. And this person uses your phone number when he/she opens the account.
Why are you using the same phone number as your neighbor who is a fellow employee?
Is this computer really at work or is it at home?
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| Posted by: marcholmes at July 4, 2006, 12:28 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
What a friggin' waste of time.
Absolutely! - I've lost over 7 bloody weeks on this.
As I said, if BR had of told me about computer ID's being a problem we wouldn't have had to go this far would we?
The reason we went this far is because they were not giving me enough information as to what the problem was.
I'm also sorry to say that your opinion of me having no place of work to reveal is incorrect.
Just because you did a survey and only one person said they played at work doesn't mean that I am lying - well it obviously does in your book. If I had of taken part in the survey you would've had two people ote for that option.
College Dorm? At my age?
We've concluded that I iolated the t+c's because I used a computer in a shared environment, yes? In which case my claim for winnings is invalidated? (Well I hope so cos you said this to me and I agreed) What point is there in going an... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at July 3, 2006, 5:31 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by marcholmes
Lets break it down
I would like to know why they have messed me around so much, asking for docs, then certified docs and then finally saying I am linked to other players once I have got over every hurdle placed in my way.
No real answer for me on this one yet.
My guess is that there were a couple of investigations going on at the time they were asking for more information from you. No one said it's a perfect system, but it's a ery thorough one.
Quote: Originally Posted by marcholmes
They have lied to me at every step and I want to know why.
as above.
I don't think this is true. They told you that they had decided not to pay you.
Quote: Originally Posted by marcholmes
What these links are.
Who are these other players
Why am I linked..
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| Posted by: marcholmes at July 3, 2006, 4:43 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
MarcHolmes uses a computer that has a number of other accounts on it. Whether or not it's at work is really beside the point. Either he has broken the casino's terms and conditions, or he has defrauded a casino. It's one or the other or both. Period.
Just a couple of points about this (YET AGAIN!!!!).
Once you pointed out to me that I had broken the T+C's by using a shared computer at work, I accepted it, this was days ago now but you keep bringing it up?
I honestly had no idea the problem was to do with computer ID's, how many times do I have to repeat this?
Can I also point out to you what I put in the PITCH A BITCH FORM ENTITLED WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? (What I wanted you to do)
>What do you want me to do?
I would like to know why they have messed me around so much, asking for docs, then certified docs and then finally saying I am linked to other players once I have got over every hurdle plac... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at July 3, 2006, 12:18 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by marcholmes
Are these 60+ accs all linked to me? If so I definitely need more info (all the names) cos that is absolutely ridiculous
No, 60 acounts aren't linked to you - but several definately are.
The whole "computer at work" scenerio still doesn't work for me. Most establishments monitor what their employees are doing on the Internet and these computers are maintained administrators who upgrade software etc. Wouldn't a tech guy wonder why so many employees are downloading casino software?
And Jackpot Factory is a separate company from Bellerock. If they divulge the names to their players to others they are wrong, but it has nothing to do with this situation.
MarcHolmes uses a computer that has a number of other accounts on it. Whether or not it's at work is really beside the point. Either he has broken the casino's terms and conditions, or he has defrauded a casino. It's one or the other or both. Period.
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| Posted by: wideboy at July 3, 2006, 11:20 am | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Hello,
Wideboy here, i'm glad some of you have been worrying about where i am, i appreciate your concern.
As i said in my last post, BR have agreed to pay back the 50GBP deposit, for the sake of 7GBP profit i couldnt really be bothered to spend any more time on the matter. So i accepted and its in my neteller now - so thanks belle rock for keeping to your word.
I havent seen chivers for a while, will give him a nudge back to this thread when i do see him next.
Wideboy
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| Posted by: Vesuvio at July 3, 2006, 9:03 am | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
As for the number of fraudulent accounts being linked. It looks like around 60+ accounts, but it's complex and web-like. It's probably a group of college students (usually is) who share info, identities, docs, etc., and try to make some quick cash scamming bonuses with fake accounts. Furby's issue was separate but still scammy.
So are we saying these are made-up people, or accounts opened in the name of other people without their consent?
I'd assume if it's either of those it could easily be confirmed, or disproved.
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| Posted by: marcholmes at July 3, 2006, 8:37 am | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
G'day, sorry for the lack of posts on this subject, I've been busy this weekend.
As I've asked before, why is it OK for BR not give a list of these linked accs to me (as jackpot factory appear to)?, I can assure you I would honestly identify any of those names I knew at my place of work. BR won't do this.
So everyone decides it's OK for the casino to withold that sort of info but it's not OK for me to withold similar info?
As for 'being seen' at work, there is no issue, these computers are for our free use and are disconnected from our network.
Once again, for my own privacy & cos of what I do, I do not want to give out my work details. When I registered my accs at BR I was asked to provide contact details, which I duly did and that is where I want to be contacted.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at July 3, 2006, 7:32 am | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by scrollock
bryan, you mentioned earlier in the thread that you compare this with other "fraud rings" you have come across in the past, i trust your instinct in these matters, but can i ask, if this is a fraud ring why arnt we talking 5,10, 20 or even more accounts being opened from the same computer or source, from what ive read it seems to be 2 accounts (maybe 3) that have matched up in each case and neither you or the casino have said ALL of these accounts are linked, just 2 or 3 in each separate case, something which you would expect from my arguments above.
this post is not exonerate these individuals, but likewise i think we should all keep an open mind before passing judgement.
I think I am being as fair as possible. If people want to use the resources that are available here, or to use my FREE service of mediating problems, then these individuals need to be upfront with their activities, and expect that I will push to get a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: scrollock at July 3, 2006, 6:42 am | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
only just got round to reading this whole thread, i wont give my opinion, but think it is worthwile me relating my own personal story.
a few years ago i moved back to the area i grew up in, my brother still lives there and one day i went to his place and he was playing a casino, he said i could play for him, i then went on and promptly lost him a £100, to which he replied "dont worry, it wasnt my money, it was casino bonus money"
from then on i got into casinos, but i needed to sort out 2 things first, a computer and an internet connection.
i was unemployed at that time (as was my brother) so he recommended to me the same bottom of the range computer as his.
next i had to sort out an ISP, in my area about 10 years ago a company called comcast came up with this good idea of connecting everyone who didnt have a phoneline for free, my area is quite impoverished (its one of the few places in the UK to be desiginated an EU poverty zone), so in my flat i h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: little_issue at July 1, 2006, 10:28 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
OK, so he tell CM where he works, what then, he phones up and speaks to HR and asks for a print off of everyone who works there. Then runs all the names past proc cyber and see if any of them match.[/i]
In most cases you can find out who works a certain place without using a phone, but even so, what would be wrong with the above if it would help clear the name of the accused player?
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I work in HR for a large organisation. I can confirm that there is no way we would answer any such questions about employees. There are such things as the data protection act that specifically forbid organisations disclosing this kind of information.
I can fully understand the original poster not wanting to give that information.
You can just imagine the scenario.....
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| Posted by: jpsartre at July 1, 2006, 8:05 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
It's quite normal for companies or institutions to have a list of employees and emails on their website. I'm not saying that every company does this but as an example I was able to find out the names of my parents co-workers quite easily. They work in a kindergarden and a school.
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| Posted by: GOCC at July 1, 2006, 6:13 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jpsartre
Are you HONESTLY saying that you would not mind an online casino phoning your workplace and identifying themselves as an online casino and telling them they COULD have 4,5,6 online casino gamblers working for them.
Why do you think this is what will happen? Here's a much more likely scenario: Bryan gets the place of work, looks up their website and check the list of employees.
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What are you on about.
OK then, my name is C Kay and I work for the NHS (Nation Health Service)
You tell me what Department I work in. I will bet you 500GBP you cant. Then I will give you my NHS email address so you can pay me to NETeller
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at July 1, 2006, 4:02 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by soflat
User 1 downloads software, registers, plays.
Later, User 2 sits down and sees an appealing icon to a casino. Curious, she clicks it and plays in Fun Mode. Casino sends her a bonus offer which she can't resist. She deposits and is trapped...
Nope these are all separate account numbers. Each player has a separate account.
Try and download MG software. If you've never downloaded the casino before, it'll ask to create a folder in the casino name and commence from there. If you try downloading again, it would either overwrite this or query you to create a new folder.
Quote: Originally Posted by TaggedYa
CM’s statement here is contrary to the plain language of the quoted terms. The player may have no way of knowing if he is the first to sign up from a particular shared environment or not. The first to do so is clearly entitled to the bonus. The casino is able to determine if a particular player... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Simmo! at July 1, 2006, 3:44 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by marcholmes
CM is not getting my work address from me.
I think you ought to provide it to CM. It's not like he's going to publish it and he is trying to help you after all. You can't expect a defence lawyer to protect you without him knowing all the information. It's a bit like asking a judge to find in your favour based on your word that your story is true.
Give him the details privately and they will stay private I'm sure.
Cheers
Simmo!
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| Posted by: soflat at July 1, 2006, 2:49 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jpsartre
And this happened 7 times? Come on.....
Why not?
I worked in an office shared by 4 people before where 3 of them played MS Golf on the same PC.
I've been on ships where one PC was shared by a couple dozen people and half of them played solitaire or pinball to kill time.
If one user got an amazing sign-up bonus (25 no deposit and deposit 50 get 200) wouldn't word get around? Isn't that the purpose of the amazing bonus offer?
Also, even though I am an honest player, I wouldn't want an online casino calling my employer asking for information regarding a fraud investigation.
I'm not saying these guys didn't commit fraud. Just that the evidence presented in the forum could equally apply to innocent players who could (and have) got caught up in such a mess.
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| Posted by: jpsartre at July 1, 2006, 2:30 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by soflat
Maybe they DID see the shortcut and that is how there ended up being multiple accounts?
User 1 downloads software, registers, plays.
Later, User 2 sits down and sees an appealing icon to a casino. Curious, she clicks it and plays in Fun Mode. Casino sends her a bonus offer which she can't resist. She deposits and is trapped.
Repeat multiple times.
Belle Rock did not check for multiple accounts until players tried to withdraw.
And this happened 7 times? Come on.....
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| Posted by: soflat at July 1, 2006, 2:27 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote:
So you expect everyone to believe that you have 7 casino accounts on this computer - it sits in some common area (which you have yet to describe). And some other employees sat down at this computer and so just happened not to see these accounts (shortcuts, folders, whatever)?? Is this what you are asking us to believe?
Maybe they DID see the shortcut and that is how there ended up being multiple accounts?
User 1 downloads software, registers, plays.
Later, User 2 sits down and sees an appealing icon to a casino. Curious, she clicks it and plays in Fun Mode. Casino sends her a bonus offer which she can't resist. She deposits and is trapped.
Repeat multiple times.
Belle Rock did not check for multiple accounts until players tried to withdraw.
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| Posted by: jpsartre at July 1, 2006, 2:15 pm | | Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister |
Are you HONESTLY saying that you would not mind an online casino phoning your workplace and identifying themselves as an online casino and telling them they COULD have 4,5,6 online casino gamblers working for them.
Why do you think this is what will happen? Here's a much more likely scenario: Bryan gets the place of work, looks up their website and check the list of employees.
Here's what I don't understand: Marcholmes has spend 7 weeks trying to get paid. He's posted in the forums, he's written more than 50 emails and PM's, he's scanned and emailed passport and utility-bills, he's gone to a solicitor to have these documents erified, he's been in contact with this solicitor several times trying to arrange a phone-call from Belle Rock. But he won't give Bryan his place of work? I can see only one reason for this. That Marcholmes knows that Bryan will be able to check and erify relatively easily that the players in question all magically work at the same place.
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