| Posted by: Chatmaster at July 18, 2006, 9:40 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Trezz
This is not an eCOGRA thread but a dying JF thread but since you quoted me....I am not at any time going to cause a repeat of the WOL discussion which I feel is a plain childish all out attack towards eCOGRA. There is NO way I will remove my links of eCOGRA of my site as they still are an excellent organization with a fantastic track record as far as player issues are concerned and standards set towards the internal structure and organization of casinos. A few people are entertaining the conspiracy theories about eCOGRA I am not. If I was listed on their site as a reputable portal I would be proud of it. I am not however and envy those that are but I am not of the jealous kind so it will just stay envy.
Removing their links of your site just tells me you believe the crap so many let out erbally about them without thinking about it first in an objective manner. Shame really...
As far as the 888 issue are concerned I think it more a case of eCOGRA not understanding the ful... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Trezz at July 18, 2006, 7:44 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Chatmaster
what is eCOGRA going to do about 888's spamming? I know eCOGRA rarely deal with these issues in a public manner, that is part of the reason they are affective, but I feel the 888 issue is ridiculous especially if you compare the efficiency that the JF issue was dealt with, compared to the 888 issue.
Granted CM has rogued 888, but, considering the fact eCogra jumped all over JF and let 888 fly under the radar again, should raise a red flag. However it hasn't.
It's like saying Casino Bar is rigged but the management can be trusted!
I'm surprised that this thread is still going.
Not that I've ever condoned JF for their action. In fact unlike some webmasters who are here giving praise to eCogra for taking the hard line on JF, I've actually removed them from my sites. Why haven't you? (you know who you are).
The biggest offenders are the ones who are listed under reputable portals at eCogra. Now that is fun... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vinylweatherman at July 16, 2006, 2:12 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
I think they have a problem with the word "temporary".
CS completely down for 48 to 72 hours at a stretch EVERY Damn weekend is wearing a bit thin. To find that ALL alternative points of contact are now involved, not just E-mail as before, and ery frequently, really sucks!
Have they outsourced CS to Casino Rewards!
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| Posted by: Mousey at July 15, 2006, 12:56 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
This casino group seems to be experiencing 'technical difficulties' a lot recently. Goodie, have you tried PMing their rep here at the forum? Scroll down till you see 'Jackpot Factory'.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showgroups.php
Good luck.
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| Posted by: goodie2shoes at July 15, 2006, 4:48 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Hello today I have been trying to email Wild Jacks about a problem and no reply then I even try to call them and they have a message saying that due to technical difficulties they are unable to answer the phone. In my opinion this is shameful everything is working fine to make a deposit but anything else they arent there especially on a Friday night when Im sure thats when most people gamble. Im so done with this place.
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| Posted by: tennis_balls at July 10, 2006, 11:57 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by winbig
I'm really surprised they didn't go as far as to say that playing at allslot$ would enlarge your peni$ size
actually, it did in my case after I hit the 4 deuces.
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| Posted by: luckymeki at July 10, 2006, 11:54 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Google is certainly one of those that does what it wants to do. LOL!
Thanks Meister for saying that.
I'd like to know a step by step - because I think it's interesting. But I realize most places won't do that.
I wish them luck - as long as they are taking the steps to correct the problem I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
Wager Witch
Luckymeki
Meki
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| Posted by: winbig at July 10, 2006, 10:37 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Geeze, finally had time to read this thread....eyes are bleeding now...lol
I'm really surprised they didn't go as far as to say that playing at allslot$ would enlarge your peni$ size
On another note, sorry to say, but all these links are still showing up at google. The pages aren't there, but yet you can still get to google's cached ersion, as well as to the casino itself and recieve a 404.
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| Posted by: luckymeki at July 4, 2006, 11:47 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Has anyone heard yet?
I'd like to know what is going on - and what part of the process it is in.
Like I said - JPF had a brilliant past now all bashed to heck. Giving the benefit of the doubt - I'd like to see them crawl out of this pit of darkness and come out of it clean...
But I'd like to hear about it - instead of being left to wonder if there is a truth of wrong doing involved... if there is not.
LuckyMeki
WagerWitch
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| Posted by: Ellepuss at July 4, 2006, 2:48 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi everyone, I was impressed with Allslots back in Oct last year when I won $11000 jackpot. The payout, by check, was quick and no problems. Since then, nowt. I've played there off and on over the last 6 months or so and each time I've played, the payouts/wins have been getting smaller and smaller no matter what I bet, low or high, no nice surprises here. The sleazy 'testimonials' will lose a lot of 'nice' gamblers, I think, like us at CM, who does a great job, keeping us up to date with what's happening. I've noticed over the past few months, its getting harder and harder to win at quite a few onlines, noticeably Allslots, Spin Palace, Intercasino etc. Lucky Emperor has been a fave too, but it's also not as good as it was. I know you can't win all the time, but we can't lose all the time either! Maybe its a sign of the times and the backlash of US government policy?Roxy has proved to me to be pretty good, bonus-wise and customer support recently, so they will get my $$ unless things change.
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| Posted by: spearmaster at July 2, 2006, 3:53 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by goodie2shoes
Hi
Ive been following this subject since it started and after reading many boards I was wondering if some of the boards get paid for promoting the factory. The reason I ask this is because there are some boards that have not even mentioned anything about what has gone on at the Factory and in my opinion if the people that were running those boards have not mentioned anything to there members and are advertising that the factory is a great group they aren't really being truthful to there members.
Many boards are affiliates which make a percentage of player's losses - so in theory they might not be interested in what's going on - but also, many of them may not even be aware of this issue unless someone told them.
I think you can safely assume that this is a more popular board and that you find much more diverse opinions here.
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| Posted by: goodie2shoes at July 2, 2006, 10:55 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi
Ive been following this subject since it started and after reading many boards I was wondering if some of the boards get paid for promoting the factory. The reason I ask this is because there are some boards that have not even mentioned anything about what has gone on at the Factory and in my opinion if the people that were running those boards have not mentioned anything to there members and are advertising that the factory is a great group they aren't really being truthful to there members.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at June 20, 2006, 10:10 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
eCOGRA PROGRESS REPORT ON JACKPOT FACTORY INCIDENT
20 June 2006
A full investigation is now under way, with an independent external audit team appointed by eCOGRA.
The investigation will take place at the main base for Jackpot Factory operations, and all parties responsible for the JF marketing and approval system, including outsourced activities and management will be interviewed, and the appropriate systems examined in detail.
The intention is to fully and objectively test JF`s explanation of events, examine ongoing measures to remove the offensive material from the Internet and make recommendations to ensure that there is no recurrence.
Jackpot Factory management has been cooperative in this endeavour, giving an undertaking that they will render all assistance necessary to enable the investigative team to complete their work, and reiterating their determination to remove the material in question from the Internet. They have made a financial... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Chatmaster at June 20, 2006, 9:44 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
OK, from my point of iew JF is on track to fix this issue that is the issue this thread is actually about! I feel eCOGRA has proven to be effective as far as this issue was concerned. My choice of words in previous post about eCOGRA came out all wrong. Please refer to Statement From eCOGRA Regarding Jackpot Factory
My point however is,... what is eCOGRA going to do about 888's spamming? I know eCOGRA rarely deal with these issues in a public manner, that is part of the reason they are affective, but I feel the 888 issue is ridiculous especially if you compare the efficiency that the JF issue was dealt with, compared to the 888 issue.
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| Posted by: Let_It_Ride at June 19, 2006, 6:49 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jackpot Factory
Those of you who have had contact with the JF Group, know our reputation and know that we take our casino operation seriously...
In the past, we have ALWAYS held true to our word...
And in response to the comments about the speed in which we worked to resolve the situation, I would like to reiterate that we worked as fast as possible...
I understand it might take some time for people out there to trust us again...
yeah right I nearly fell for it, but it's just words, the reality when dealing with these people is ery ery different, as I found out in the last 4 days when trying to find out why I had not been paid.
(see arrgh - another casino withholding winnings thread)
Let me share my experiences with you all and show what little the staff at this casino think of us the players/customers
Friday, agent S promises me that I will be paid within 48 hours, maybe she said this i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jackpot Factory at June 19, 2006, 2:54 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Chatmaster
Furthermore, just a note as far as Loyd is concerned. He has handled the situation on the CAP forum in a ery mature and trusted manner. I feel a congratulations are in order to the Brightshare/Jackpotfactory team as you are truly privilaged to have such a great team member.
Thanks Chatmaster,
We realize the uphill battle regarding the search engines and are considering all our iable options. Regarding Lloyd, you could not have said it better. We work ery closely and he is a ery integral part of the BrightShare/Jackpot Factory team.
Best regards,
David
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| Posted by: Chatmaster at June 19, 2006, 2:11 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by tlady
Yes, at this time I feel it would be ery bad for the Jackpot factory, if there were any documented cases of unerable people being taken advantage by them. I have to wonder why, there is no word from ecogra. It would seem they have had ample time to investigate this situation. I would also like to know more information about Spiral and it's connection to the Jackpot Factory. It would appear to me there is more then what mets the eye here so to speak.
I can assure you that Spiral offers a domain registration service to many microgaming casinos and there is no worry about anything fishy going on with them.
I have to agree. eCOGRA must be quite as it finally dawned on them that they actually can't act on the JF issue if they let 888 of the hook!
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| Posted by: vtlady at June 19, 2006, 1:15 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Yes, at this time I feel it would be ery bad for the Jackpot factory, if there were any documented cases of unerable people being taken advantage by them. I have to wonder why, there is no word from ecogra. It would seem they have had ample time to investigate this situation. I would also like to know more information about Spiral and it's connection to the Jackpot Factory. It would appear to me there is more then what mets the eye here so to speak.
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| Posted by: casinocrush at June 19, 2006, 11:21 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
I'm ery pleased to see JF come along and accept responsibility - better late than never. Thanks JF, and also thanks for those that have posted replies since understanding the current position of them.
I'm thinking a lot about some of the replies which seem to be 'after blood' (names of people etc etc who arranged for this). Whilst this may (or may not be) important to the public, I thought the big priority for everyone seemed to be getting the bad stuff down and off the internet.
I don't doubt that there will be investigations about who/how/why this happened will occur, but I think the priority surely is to ensure the pages are down (and/or replaced with some sort of explanation).
I'm not sure how fair it is to "make" JF make a public announcement as without understanding the full who/how/why this may unnecessarily make 'bad spin' for something that they have taken responsibility for, and are slowly but surely correcting.
Whilst I'm sure no-one can f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Chatmaster at June 19, 2006, 9:20 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
First let me start by congratulating JF for taking RESPONSIBILITY! My hat are of to them for taking such a bold step! You have earned my respect back in that regard.
For putting measures in place to deal with these issues, I would really like to know what those issues are in more detail to know how secure and trusted future relationships with you will be. I also suggest that you make public more details as to what exactly happened here! I smell outsourcing of SEO happened and were completely unaware from a management point of iew what happened here? I also smell an individual with way to much freedom taking you for a ride? Surely other casinos must be made aware of the dangers involved when outsourcing SEO or editorials?
888 certainly know what the are doing and also showed that they don't care! There might be other casinos however that will step in the same stinky stuff with open eyes, that can learn from this lesson.
Further more. By taking down your pages. Certainly y... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: fatbastard at June 19, 2006, 8:52 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
The problem here is that the links could remain in the SE's for a ery long time. Even though one can request pages to be removed, the reality is that they may never be...
Requesting page removals with google and yahoo is not as simple as it sounds.
So if you anyone is going to make the presence of these links in the search engines a criteria to ban the JF casinos, you will ban them for something which is not in their control.
(Not defending them - just stating fact).
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| Posted by: Scooter7 at June 19, 2006, 2:02 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by dominique
To blacklist or not to blacklist - I am still waiting for some more information, but my finger is on the trigger and blacklist content is written and waiting to be published.
The statement made by JF is a good start, but far more information is required before Dominique's decision can be made one way or the other.
I really want to know:
1. Who commissioned the SEO activity?
2. Who checked and approved the content?
3. What checks and balances are being put into place to avoid a repeat performance?
4. Can JF contact the search engine companies and have the listings removed, thus eliminating the 'lingering' effect?
5. Is JF willing to put a full explanation on their main website so everyone, not just forum readers know that a grievous error was made, and then (hopefully) corrected?
When I dealt casino games I once made a $10,000 mistake on a dice table. It's amazing how calm and forgiv... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dominique at June 19, 2006, 1:39 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
It might be worth seeing if the company can contact the major search engines and admit to this, and ask that they refresh the cached pages in order to get rid of this content more quickly.
Unfortunately, the engines do not act directly on any complaint or petition.
They do record these, and they take them in consideration when working on their algorhythms. But individual queries are not dealt with as such.
Also, it takes some time for the engines to pick up on this type content, and it takes just as long for them to drop it.
Some sites like Casinomeister and also GoneGambling and mine see reactions that are quite fast beause the engines know the content naturally changes continually and come around ery often. Other places wait a lot longer.
There is no way any individual can influence this, or everyone would be trying to do so all the time.
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| Posted by: jetset at June 18, 2006, 4:33 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
QUOTE: You are STILL potentially gaining traffic from unfortunate situations. If I search for depression or cancer or suicide or any of these things I STILL get links to allslots, alljackpots and wherever else. Sure, the stories are gone but the links still take you to your casinos and endless guff about how great slots are. UNQUOTE
Good point from Elscrabinda - one of the priorities here is to ensure that ALL of this nonsense is removed.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at June 18, 2006, 1:04 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
This "transparency" must include players who do NOT read casinomeister. For the normal player, is is clearly "business as usual" as though nothing had happened. The only clue is the removal of the eCogra seal.
I believe that David's reply should be reworded and placed on a PROMINENT link of apology on both the home page AND the casino Viper lobby. While this will cause further damage, it will get it all over and done with. Currently, players are finding out about this second hand, and may form the impression that JF were doing their best to do "just enough" to placate the most ociferous critics, rather than address this issue head on.
It might be worth seeing if the company can contact the major search engines and admit to this, and ask that they refresh the cached pages in order to get rid of this content more quickly.
The .co.uk ersions are not as "clean" as the main .com sites, this needs looking into also.
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| Posted by: elscrabinda at June 18, 2006, 12:25 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
You are STILL potentially gaining traffic from unfortunate situations. If I search for depression or cancer or suicide or any of these things I STILL get links to allslots, alljackpots and wherever else. Sure, the stories are gone but the links still take you to your casinos and endless guff about how great slots are.
How about breaking the links or replacing them with a holding page detailing the incident and explaining the generous donation that is surely forthcoming from you (otherwise any pretence of giving a monkeys about problem gambling is obviously just for show and I'm sure thats not the case).
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| Posted by: luckymeki at June 18, 2006, 11:19 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
David -
For one, I am glad that you are taking erbal and written responsibility - at least within Casinomeister Forums.
I'm delighted that you're taking the steps to investigate and remove the items from the search engines.
I'm not satisfied with the length of time it has taken to bury them - or to make them less isible - but I also understand web/seo/issues.
I am disappointed that you have not agreed to make a donation to Gambler's Anon. At least not publicly. This alone would bring your alue as a company up in my eyes, as it would be an attempt to help anyone who may have fallen prey to the actions that you have publicly admitted to having responsibility for.
I understand "crap" happens.
I also am one of the most understanding people on the planet.
I am also a gambler.
You as a company want "my" trust - and others like me, who keep on the up and up.
I think that a few of the suggestio... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jetset at June 18, 2006, 10:20 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jackpot Factory
There was a blatant mess up, for which we take full responsibility, and we have done and will continue to do everything in our power to rectify this extremely serious situation.
I give you my word that we are conducting a thorough investigation as to how these marketing practices slipped under our radar, why no managers were aware of them, and finally – and perhaps most importantly – if they were aware of these practices, why no action was taken to stop them.
And in response to the comments about the speed in which we worked to resolve the situation, I would like to reiterate that we worked as fast as possible to remove all the content and offensive materials from our sites. While this might not satisfy everyone, it is the truth.
I think your recovery will be entirely dependent on the transparency and commitment with which you move in getting rid of the trash that you have inflicted on the Internet here, although... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jackpot Factory at June 18, 2006, 8:25 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi everyone,
This is David Brickman, Jackpot Factory Spokesperson.
I would like to set the record straight regarding the JF search engine fiasco. Before I begin, I want to make it clear that we are in the wrong. I know that many people have been waiting for us to comment on this issue, and I’d like to thank you all for your patience.
This issue tarnishes our longstanding good reputation. There was a blatant mess up, for which we take full responsibility, and we have done and will continue to do everything in our power to rectify this extremely serious situation.
Those of you who have had contact with the JF Group, know our reputation and know that we take our casino operation seriously and that we have always taken a proactive stance towards responsible gaming issues. That said, this incident leaves an indisputable blemish on our record and we apologize to the entire gaming community.
In the past, we have ALWAYS held true to our word – whether dealing... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jetset at June 17, 2006, 5:13 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
QUOTE: But this situation is not about Lloyd. It’s about Spiral and Jackpot Factory, which just so happens to have Lloyd and Brightshare under its umbrella.
To be honest, I’m saddened by what’s happened. JF has always been great when it comes to looking after the players. But this isn’t about support or payments. This is about being caught out using some truly deplorable and offensive marketing tactics.UNQUOTE
Right on, GG!
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| Posted by: greedygirl at June 16, 2006, 12:33 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
I’m posting this at both Casinomeister and CAP, just to set the record straight.
I want to be perfectly clear: What has occurred with JF has NOTHING to do with Lloyd and I think we all agree, Lloyd has done an exemplary job in how he’s handled this situation. Further, I think it’s fair to say that Lloyd has moved mountains in turning things around for Brightshare and without question, JF/Spiral should thank their lucky stars that they hired Lloyd.
But this situation is not about Lloyd. It’s about Spiral and Jackpot Factory, which just so happens to have Lloyd and Brightshare under its umbrella.
To be honest, I’m saddened by what’s happened. JF has always been great when it comes to looking after the players. But this isn’t about support or payments. This is about being caught out using some truly deplorable and offensive marketing tactics.
While some may think that some of us are “out for blood,” I can only speak for myself in saying this is simply not the cas... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Chatmaster at June 16, 2006, 5:45 am | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi dominique
Thanks for the kind words. My last intention was to create a internal forum debate. I love CAP and it is most definately the market leader in affiliate forums for our industry. The amount of support I saw for JF though made me think there is a high probability of me getting flamed.
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| Posted by: dominique at June 15, 2006, 10:00 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Chatmaster
Well I just made a post there to pressent my opinion about the issue. I will probably get flamed. But it is clear they haven't read the latest few posts here.
Chatmaster, I moderate over there.
There will be no flaming, we don't even allow flaming.
Any flames are put into the freeforall section, and if they still don't go out, they are removed to the attic.
You are most welcome to speak your mind, and, personally, I welcome it.
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| Posted by: derelict at June 15, 2006, 5:08 pm | | Topic: Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jetset
It seems that at least one poster over at WOL does not think this issue merits further attention....how many others share this iew?
I don't have a problem with additional review, but I do have a problem with the ongoing misrepresentation of the issue. Here are some quite alid criticisms:
- Problem gamblers were targeted with search engine manipulation.
- Middle to upper management likely was aware of or turned a blind eye to unethical seo practices.
- Problem gamblers may have believed the textual fodder.
- Jackpot Factory properties ranked artificially high in searches where they didn't belong.
- The group was slow to take action when the problems were presented.
Here are some invalid ones:
- There was a campaign to mislead players into thinking that gambling would improve their lives.
- Management knows everything going on in the organization, and therefo... | | Read Entire Entry |
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