| Posted by: aodat2 at January 4, 2007, 9:54 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Since this "dingo" fella like to tell the public so much stuff, I might as well take this opportunity to show you guys an email from Entropay as well. Would be totally nice to see how he defends himself this time.
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Dear Aaron,
Thank you for your email and the faxed documents.
Please note that we have received word from PartyPoker that one of your accounts has been permanently closed with themselves due to financial fraud.
This is something that we take ery seriously and are therefore unable to reactivate any of your accounts that you have with ourselves.
You accounts xxxx and xxxx will all be closed and we shall inform bet365 accordingly of our findings.
Kind Regards,
Carrie
EntroPay Security Team
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By the way, 1 account was mine and the other is my mom's account. The linkk it together ia ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: aodat2 at January 4, 2007, 6:09 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Thanks for the feedback inylweatherman.
I've been working with Party these few days trying to resolve the problem and they would like my Police Report so as to prove that an Identity Theft has occurred and after that, the will have to pass it to their own legal department and etc to investigate further.
So, I guess my problem with Party is almost resolved. They have already agreed to have a look at my case and not only that, they will also be investigating on this case which is a good thing.
Now, the problem is only with Entropay and Bet365. Not even Party is involved in this matter anymore.
This is a portion from an email I received from PartyGaming recently. The part before this talks about my Party account(s) and also what I should do and etc to get it resolved with them so it's not really relevant in this case.
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As you may appereciate we are committed to a policy of secure client co... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 4, 2007, 3:37 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Entropay seems to be a prepaid VISA card. It is regulated by the UK FSA.
I would like to know what "dingo's" position is with Entropay, management, customer rep etc.
There are two further potential grounds for complaint open to aodat2. Firstly, "dingo" has demonstrated that he/she had access to aodat2's personal data held at Entropay. If "dingo" is NOT an employee of Entropay with appropriate clearance to access the data, then an offence under the UK Data Protection act has been committed. Complaints should be addressed to the Data Commissioner. Court action is not necessary. The complaint must be made by the person whose data has been misused. Secondly, as Entropay is supposed to be an ANONYMOUS means of online payment, a further breach has possibly been committed by informing Bet365 of any personal data relating to aodat2 that is unnecessary for the purpose of transacting the deposit to Bet365. If Bet365 were informed that Entropay were closing... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: aodat2 at January 1, 2007, 5:40 pm | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Just FYI, I registered the account over here when I was still studying in the USA. I finished studying at year 2004. I could easily prove this by showing you my passport and also my letter of admission and even the transcript of my University.
Any American can tell you that when you open up a checking account with most banks (I'm not sure if all do this), they will automatically issue you a Check Card (Debit Card). Again, at that point of time, online gambling in the US is still legal (in the grey area).
I came back in the middle of year 2004 to Malaysia so think about this. If you just came back to your country and do not have a job, would your bank issue you a credit card straight away? I don't think so! It took me more than 1 year before I could get my 1st Credit Card. I'm sure every country would have the same rules or almost the same rules and I'm sure banks would not be so crazy as to issue you a Credit Card right after you start work.
I have been using the name or... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 1, 2007, 3:12 pm | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
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To conclude it is not in our interests to close an account unless the account holder has abused the system or the account holder has done something which could be considered illegal or against banking regulations.
Does this mean that online gambling is LEGAL on aodat2's country of residence - I though the opposite.
Several countries have extended families that might use the same facility from the same household. What might look odd in the US or the UK may be common practice in other parts of the word. Simply having several active accounts from one household is not necessarily fraud provided the users can provide appropriate ID erification documents.
The chargebacks in 2005 are a different matter, this was wrong, and an explanation is needed from aodat2 as to why these were not related to him or another member of the family. Since aodat2 categorically states he had no credit cards till recently, a look at his credit reference files should throw light on the matt... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dingo at January 1, 2007, 12:36 pm | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by aodat2
Excuse me, Dingo.
If I were opening the account in bad faith, can you please explain to me why would I actually give you guys copies of my Credit Card and even the authorization letter?
Some persons will try to do their utmost to convince you they're legitimate...especially a tenacious one like yourself who has an understanding of wireless networks and who tries to make up excuses when confronted with contradicting information.
Quote: Originally Posted by aodat2
Next, I don't think I have an account with Entropay before this. If you think I do have it, then can you please match addresses or give me proof of this. I have never had an account with Entropay before this at all. By the way, I've not even seen the word Entropay till lately.
FYI, I have just spoken to all banks in Malaysia and yes, there are cards and even 1 loan account under my name which has my ID included with it. I've already alerted t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 1, 2007, 11:24 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
You had better be sure of the facts, as by telling Bet365 you have defamed him/her, causing loss of winnings.
Identity theft IS COMMON, and does look like fraud. If someone is using a stolen identity they will milk it for all it is worth, and they will not necessarily be subtle as they will want to gain as much as possible as quickly as possible.
Before claiming definite fraud, casinos and processors must make certain that it really is not someone else using the details. It seems too many casinos cry "fraud" at the drop of a hat and give the player no option to clear themselves. Now when a real case of fraud comes along you find the forum has great sympathy for the player as so often the "fraud" is just a casino looking to avoid paying a "clever" player who has played some promotion to the best of their abilities.
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| Posted by: aodat2 at January 1, 2007, 11:22 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by dingo
Let’s get some facts straight. I happen to be connected with EntroPay at the present time…Bet365 and EntroPay do not close accounts randomly.
It happens that aodat2 has recently created a number of accounts with EntroPay with conflicting details and tried registering multiple credit cards. Although aodat2 has tried giving us all sorts of excuses for this behaviour like for instance being the ictim of identity theft in the past or using a wireless connection all our evidence indicates that he has opened the accounts in bad faith.
It is hilarious for aodat2 to complain about the treatment he received when upon checking our records I find that we have someone who has opened an EntroPay Account using username ‘aodat2’ (and using the same name/address) back in 2005 on which we have received chargebacks!
All merchants have a zero tolerance level for fraud. aodat2 has all the credentials for a fraudster and all his deposits were... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dingo at January 1, 2007, 10:05 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Let’s get some facts straight. I happen to be connected with EntroPay at the present time…Bet365 and EntroPay do not close accounts randomly.
It happens that aodat2 has recently created a number of accounts with EntroPay with conflicting details and tried registering multiple credit cards. Although aodat2 has tried giving us all sorts of excuses for this behaviour like for instance being the ictim of identity theft in the past or using a wireless connection all our evidence indicates that he has opened the accounts in bad faith.
It is hilarious for aodat2 to complain about the treatment he received when upon checking our records I find that we have someone who has opened an EntroPay Account using username ‘aodat2’ (and using the same name/address) back in 2005 on which we have received chargebacks!
All merchants have a zero tolerance level for fraud. aodat2 has all the credentials for a fraudster and all his deposits were refunded in full to avoid being hit by him again.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: aodat2 at December 31, 2006, 2:20 pm | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by silcnlayc
This would be a breach of T&C's with Party Poker. Do you have multiple accounts with Entropay? Did you fund your multiple accounts at Party Poker with Entropay?
You are not being ery clear on why PP would choose to notify other endors on your accounting unless they feel something just doesn't feel right especially when they have nothing to gain (vs your withdrawal from Bet365). Feels as if the story is only half told?
Did they find more than 1 account in your name for funding?
Actually if you look a few threads back, you will see my reasoning for Party Poker and Entropay.
As for Entropay, I *did not* have more than 1 account with them. Only 1 account to my name. I do have additional information sent to me by Entropay which I have forwarded to Bryan. I will stop discussing this till I get word from Bryan about this.
I'm sorry but I do not want to make the situation worse by flaming or doing any... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: silcnlayc at December 31, 2006, 4:54 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
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Now after Party Poker told Entropay about the multiple accounts,
This would be a breach of T&C's with Party Poker. Do you have multiple accounts with Entropay? Did you fund your multiple accounts at Party Poker with Entropay?
You are not being ery clear on why PP would choose to notify other endors on your accounting unless they feel something just doesn't feel right especially when they have nothing to gain (vs your withdrawal from Bet365). Feels as if the story is only half told?
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Entropay was the ones who actually adviced them to close my account
Did they find more than 1 account in your name for funding?
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| Posted by: aodat2 at December 31, 2006, 3:25 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
Write to Party Poker (copy to Entropay & Bet365) threatening to sue for damages as their unexplained action has cost you winnings at Bet365 who are treating you adversely for the actions of Party Poker and Entropay.
The more solicitor like the letter, the better. If you can get a solicitor to draft it better still.
The aim is not to need to take them to court, but to call their bluff as court action will open their actions to scrutiny. If their grounds are flimsy, damages would be payable due to the "defamation" aspect with Bet365.
This tactic works more often than you might think, but you must appear as though you fully intend to follow through.
Casinos pull these stunts because they think themselves outside the court system, and most complainants will not go this far. Party Poker is listed on the London stock market, and would certainly be worried if you proposed action in an English court, and they may ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vinylweatherman at December 31, 2006, 3:14 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jerrylee
Interesting approach. What does a solicitor style letter look like?
It will be properly constructed, and use a few legal terms. It won't be over complicated and will be right to the point. It will be on decent quality notepaper, computer printed but signed by hand. The letter will probably have a company header with contact details.
There are many legal websites that give consumer advice. Some will have draft copies of the common legal letters, just fill in the gaps. I used such a site to try to claim for an endowment shortfall, which constructed a template formal letter of complaint to which I added my own specific details.
While it would be best to get a solicitor to draft it, a preliminary letter could look like it came from a "legal advisor" as a prelude to instructing a solicitor. You could write this yourself, but do NOT claim to be a solicitor as this would be against the rules of misrepresentation. If ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jerrylee at December 30, 2006, 8:57 pm | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
The more solicitor like the letter, the better. If you can get a solicitor to draft it better still.
Interesting approach. What does a solicitor style letter look like?
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at December 30, 2006, 8:08 pm | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Write to Party Poker (copy to Entropay & Bet365) threatening to sue for damages as their unexplained action has cost you winnings at Bet365 who are treating you adversely for the actions of Party Poker and Entropay.
The more solicitor like the letter, the better. If you can get a solicitor to draft it better still.
The aim is not to need to take them to court, but to call their bluff as court action will open their actions to scrutiny. If their grounds are flimsy, damages would be payable due to the "defamation" aspect with Bet365.
This tactic works more often than you might think, but you must appear as though you fully intend to follow through.
Casinos pull these stunts because they think themselves outside the court system, and most complainants will not go this far. Party Poker is listed on the London stock market, and would certainly be worried if you proposed action in an English court, and they may feel $5500 is enough to prompt you to follow through.
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| Posted by: aodat2 at December 30, 2006, 1:48 pm | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Thanks a lot jerrylee,
I would definitely love to register a Neteller account if it's possible for me to do so but unfortunately, Neteller is not available in Malaysia. I've checked it many times.
By the way, I could not even move the account or do anything with it even if I wanted to. My account is now suspended. They have already said that they will not reopen the account. Why? I don't know!
I really need help! Can someone with experience please help?
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| Posted by: aodat2 at December 30, 2006, 4:28 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
Well... that's the exact story. I don't know how to go on fighting already as they keep telling me that the decision is final and that my account will be suspended indefinitely.
Do you think I should PAB? Would anyone be able to help? Bet365 is a ery reputable group and I do believe that they are not such BIG crooks!
My problem with the payment processor is not their problem. Why steal my money? Why suspend my account? What did I do wrong? All I did was win a few thousand bucks with them and now they are not willing to pay me.
Seriously, $4750 is a ery HUGE amount of money for me. If anyone knows some way of getting help, I would definitely appericiate it a lot.
Thank you ery much for your comment.
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| Posted by: SKUNX at December 30, 2006, 3:15 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
I am surprised that BET365 would do that , I have had several cashouts from them and you might say I am ahead a couple of thousands and even then NOT one issue .
But there are NO grounds to close your account just because you had an issue with a payment processor!
I never got shut down anywere when I had problems with Neteller , keep fighting if all is like you say then they owe you $5750 PERIOD!
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| Posted by: aodat2 at December 30, 2006, 2:10 am | | Topic: Entropay and Bet365 stole $4750 Forum: Casino Meister |
As I said on my previous post, I had problems with Party Poker.
Now after Party Poker told Entropay about the multiple accounts, Entropay decided to actually close my account with them because they were not comfortable with the situation.
Previously, I have also used Entropay to fund my Bet365 account. I have funded it with $1000 and now I'm withdrawing $5750. After a few days of waiting, I got an email from Bet365 saying that my account was suspended with them because Entropay closed my account and that the decision to suspend my account was FINAL.
What did I do wrong with Bet365? Why did they take my winnings? The decision to close my Entropay account was not even mine to begin with. I didn't even do anything wrong with Entropay. I even went to the point where I sent them ALL information regarding my Credit Card and even sent them a picture ID and etc.
Now Bet365 is still saying that they do not want to pay me for the winnings on my account solely because En... | | Read Entire Entry |
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