| Posted by: nektar4d at January 8, 2007, 11:00 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by cerdikola
With my experience with Playtechs I know there are some blacklists:
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If you have BIG problems in any PlayTech casino you will be blacklisted in most of them.
Thanks for the information cerdikola.
As the matter leaves the sierra star case and involves playtech generally, may I suggest you copy this information to the general playtech thread which is:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tech+nightmare
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| Posted by: cerdikola at January 7, 2007, 11:13 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
With my experience with Playtechs I know there are some blacklists:
Blacklist 1 - Casino Partners :
If they close your account in one of these casinos you will be blacklisted in:
Casino Tropez
Casino Del Rio
Vegas Red Casino
Europa Casino
Hammers Casino
Cameo Casino
Titan Poker
Bingo Day
Blacklist 2 - CPays:
If you have problems with any Cpays casino you will be blacklisted in most of them:
List a)
Carnival Casino
Monaco Gold Casino
Playgate Casino
ClubDice Casino
List b)
Joyland Casino
Amber Coast Casino
EuroGrand Casino
Blacklist 3 - Playtech Main List:
If you have BIG problems in any PlayTech casino you will be blacklisted in most of them.
PD: Casino Blasters have not a Blacklist
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| Posted by: unicorn40 at August 17, 2006, 1:09 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
I'm happy carramrod won and got paid.....I still won't play there personally..I think ( and i may be wrong) if a casino locks you out they should be able to give you a reason...a specific one....a chargeback.....cheating.....multiple accounts etc. I also think they should be able to prove it if the person says or thinks they did nothing wrong....JMO....I never went back to CGB after that and i never did get a reason for the lockout in the first place.
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| Posted by: henryVIII at August 17, 2006, 12:47 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
It would be nice if the "Sierra Star pays a winning customer within a week" wasnt newsworthy. How low must a casinos rep be when people feel this is news?
Not knocking you carramond ... just its a sad reflection on the whole online industry at the moment. Nowadays I would never play at a non-IBAS non-UK based casino ... just not worth the risks.
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| Posted by: carramrod at August 17, 2006, 11:49 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
This isn't really on topic with the original complaint, but I thought I'd mention it to help someone out anyways:
I almost didn't play at SierraStar Because of seeing this thread at the top of the list for a while, but when they sent me a decent-looking bonus, I thought I'd give the casino another shot. I ended up cashing out over 1000 GBP after my luck-filled session was finished, which I recieved within a week - no problems.
So moral of my story is, they aren't so bad after all. Sorry to the poster with the original complaint, though.
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| Posted by: unicorn40 at August 17, 2006, 2:59 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
I doubt this is about the $10.00 and is more about being locked out and not given a good reason for it ,when the person themselves know they haven't done anything wrong....Not that i know everything about this......but.....Before the Grand Prive casino's were rogued i went back after an absence from Casino Grand Bay and found myself locked out.I asked them why because i was pissed and knew i did nothing wrong.After a wait.....got an email that said it was opened again and i could play.....I never got a reason why except that they made a mistake...
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at August 16, 2006, 3:37 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
1. General Posting Rules:
1.1 - No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended. Please refrain from potty mouth language.
C'mon mrracetrack, you know better than going ape-shit here. This is not the appropriate way to handle things here.
You were flagged by Playtech ia this casino. Apparently you had two accounts closed (City Club and Baraka Casino) and this is what is causing the problem - not Sierra Star.
Now if you never had accounts at these two casinos, and only one at Playgate like you stated, then there is something wrong here - (with Playtech's system not this casino's) and we can look into this to see what's up.
If you did have accounts at these two casinos, then you have some apologizing to do.
And for a $10 bonus? C'mon, it's not like they allowed you to play there and confi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mrracetrack at August 8, 2006, 11:13 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
An affiliate rep from Bet Re (the company that handles the webmaster affiliate programs for GIANT VEGAS, ROYAL DICE & SIERRA STAR casinos) named "STEPH" has been communicating with an affiliate member about me... stating that I have been "slandering" Sierra Star casino in this thread... and insinuating that the reason I was locked out is due to "chargebacks"... and then implying that this thread was started by me because I "didn't get the $10 bonus" that new signups get...
Well "Steph"... not sure if you're male or female... but it actually makes no difference to me...
YOU ARE A CLUELESS IDIOT!
If anything... you are slandering ME... with your "TOTAL BULLSHIT" that you communicated with the affiliate you e-mailed about me.
You sure are trying to make Sierra Star... Playtech... and your company Bet Rev... look like the aggrieved party in this "issue" I had with Sierra Star.
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| Posted by: wootchris at August 4, 2006, 11:43 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ivosh
dear mrracetrack
I wish to point out the following –
As protection to all, Playtech monitor the conduct of all casinos on their platform and if any single casino locks a player out for an apparently legitimate reason, then that player is automatically barred from all Playtech casinos. This is standard practice in the industry and is not peculiar to Playtech.
That is why when you tried to sign up with us, you were automatically frozen out by Playtech. We did not even know you had tried to sign up with us;
Your initial queries went directly to Playtech and were not seen by us. This is why at that time, you did not receive any response from us. Our aplogies for Playtech not giving you a reason for your lock out.
The first we knew of this issue was when you emailed us directly. We responded IMMEDIATELY with the reason for your being locked out.
You acknowledged this response and thanked us for the reply.
If you feel you ha... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HKGambler at July 12, 2006, 6:10 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
From now on...
If you don't want anyboby's business for whatever reason so as to even blacklist him, have the courtesy to notify him (thru email) BEFOREHAND, backed up by a readable reason.
Doing this, you are not wasting the players' time & energy as to go thru all the hassles to finally get to be told they have no entrance to your outfit.
Doing this, you can save all of your repeated, mindless robotic replies to yourselves because no gamblers would ask why their accounts are frozen.
Doing this, the whole online gambling world, which already had enough troubles, would thank you because you are helping it with fewer complaints.
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| Posted by: unicorn40 at July 9, 2006, 8:37 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
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At the ery least, I would like to see the casino groups who use this automatic banning to be upfront with the player when they ask why.
They SHOULD be upfront.....They should be able to give you a specific reason why.I think if a certain casino put you on a list to cause this problem,you should be told IMO ,the reason and the casino.Not the responses he got.
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| Posted by: sdaddy at July 9, 2006, 6:21 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by The Watchdog
In case he has opened an account with an affiliated casino of Sierra where he chargebacked or pull some trick, then that will be a reason to ban him automatically.
I agree, but this has been a common practice at many Playtech sites for YEARS.
At the ery least, I would like to see the casino groups who use this automatic banning to be upfront with the player when they ask why.
Quote: Originally Posted by ivosh
As protection to all, Playtech monitor the conduct of all casinos on their platform and if any single casino locks a player out for an apparently legitimate reason, then that player is automatically barred from all Playtech casinos. This is standard practice in the industry and is not peculiar to Playtech.
Absolutely not true. I've played all the major software platforms extensively, and Playtech is the only one that shares a blacklist of so-called "bonus abusers."
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| Posted by: unicorn40 at July 9, 2006, 1:03 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Well i closed my account there just after this happened because i def. wouldn't trust this place with my money.They seem to lock people out way to easy with no real reason.....They would prob. do the same thing if you actually had the nerve to win some money.
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| Posted by: The Watchdog at July 9, 2006, 1:30 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
The answer from that guy is not good.
I know playtech ery well. Unless, they are part of a group of casinos where the customer has opened several accounts. there is no reason to ban him.
In case he has opened an account with an affiliated casino of Sierra where he chargebacked or pull some trick, then that will be a reason to ban him automatically.
I would like to know if there is a spokesman from Playtech to support this guy's post.
I honestly find the answer unprofessional and with no background to rely.
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| Posted by: Pearland at July 9, 2006, 12:43 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Not to feel bad, the same happened to me. Did not bother to even email them why they locked me out, wasn't interested in playing there depositing my money. Tried downloading to get the bonus. Oh well.
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| Posted by: ergopro at July 7, 2006, 1:36 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
I got that same diiba-daaba-yadda-yadda-blah-blah...but received those emails after I asked them to close my account...They just made it sound like I'm not welcome in that casino as a typical bonus abuser...Would like to point out that I wasn't locked out...But received those "bonus abuser" emails afterwards...
Strange place...
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| Posted by: mrracetrack at July 5, 2006, 6:11 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Hey ivosh...
The more I think about, and reread what you posted... the more annoyed I'm getting with it...
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Sierra Star response
dear mrracetrack
I wish to point out the following –
As protection to all, Playtech monitor the conduct of all casinos on their platform and if any single casino locks a player out for an apparently legitimate reason, then that player is automatically barred from all Playtech casinos. This is standard practice in the industry and is not peculiar to Playtech.
You really seem to be not only "pompous"... but clueless, too... did you actually READ any of what I posted?
You obviously assume that I am "guilty" of whatever Playtech has used as a reason to lock my account. Instead of perhaps offering me some insincere apology for the way I was treated... all you seem to want to show is how "innocent" Sierra Star was in this... by "passing the buck"... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mrracetrack at July 5, 2006, 5:15 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
ivosh posted this:
Quote: Originally Posted by ivosh
dear mrracetrack
I wish to point out the following –
As protection to all, Playtech monitor the conduct of all casinos on their platform and if any single casino locks a player out for an apparently legitimate reason, then that player is automatically barred from all Playtech casinos. This is standard practice in the industry and is not peculiar to Playtech.
BULLSHIT... I have an active account with Play Gate casino... (as of July 3rd... when I deleted it from my computer)
That is why when you tried to sign up with us, you were automatically frozen out by Playtech. We did not even know you had tried to sign up with us;
Your initial queries went directly to Playtech and were not seen by us. This is why at that time, you did not receive any response from us. Our aplogies for Playtech not giving you a reason for your lock out.
More Bullshit... How would an e-mail to support@s... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: unicorn40 at July 5, 2006, 4:55 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Geezzzzzz,talk about BS......I'm so glad i never made any deposits here....
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Ivosh's response must be one of the prime 'couldnt-care-less' replies I have ever seen.
Ain't that the truth!!!
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at July 5, 2006, 4:37 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Standard practice? Ya gotta be kidding. I remember that several years ago, some roguish RTG casinos tried to pull off a similar stunt by oiding winnings of players who took up a bonus by stating they were on a blacklist. The former operators of Windows casino was one of those. The interesting thing was that the players concerned were not blacklisted at many other RTG casinos.
Even if you now claim there is a blacklist, wouldnt it too much to ask the player to contact the casino he played at before. Incidentally, I dont think Mrracetrack was 'locked out' of the 'other' casino as he claims he is still in 'good standing' there. Furthermore, he signed up at your casino so you should take this up with playtech instead of merely stating it aint your business. The initial mails welcomed him to Sierra Star so it can only be assumed that the e-mails came from the casino and not playtech. Actually, the player is conducting business with your casino only. As far as he is concerned, he doesnt care a damn... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ivosh at July 5, 2006, 2:02 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
dear mrracetrack
I wish to point out the following –
As protection to all, Playtech monitor the conduct of all casinos on their platform and if any single casino locks a player out for an apparently legitimate reason, then that player is automatically barred from all Playtech casinos. This is standard practice in the industry and is not peculiar to Playtech.
That is why when you tried to sign up with us, you were automatically frozen out by Playtech. We did not even know you had tried to sign up with us;
Your initial queries went directly to Playtech and were not seen by us. This is why at that time, you did not receive any response from us. Our aplogies for Playtech not giving you a reason for your lock out.
The first we knew of this issue was when you emailed us directly. We responded IMMEDIATELY with the reason for your being locked out.
You acknowledged this response and thanked us for the reply.
If you feel you have been treated unfairly, please take up the issue... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mrracetrack at July 5, 2006, 1:21 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Paul1 posted:
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Sorry about your frustrating experience Mr. Racetrack. Some of these Playtechs are getting pretty scarey nowadays. My advice, stick to a couple of the good ones and pass on any gray areas.
I like Kiwi and I know they are reputable. But if you are not a member already, you might get tripped up by the same "system" that automatically booted you from Sierra.
Thank you for your suggestions, Paul.
But to be honest... I will not bother with any other Playtech casinos.
If I ever was lucky enough to win and cash out a few dollars... I could easily see another "problem"... due to my name being on whatever "list" they are using.
Playtech software has never been one of my favorites... and the fact that they obviously don't wish to have me as a player at their casinos... is just fine with me.
There are far better places to play at that have shown me that they apprecia... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: paul1 at July 4, 2006, 5:45 pm | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Sorry about your frustrating experience Mr. Racetrack. Some of these Playtechs are getting pretty scarey nowadays. My advice, stick to a couple of the good ones and pass on any gray areas.
I like Kiwi and I know they are reputable. But if you are not a member already, you might get tripped up by the same "system" that automatically booted you from Sierra.
Try Bet365. They use Playtech software. (which I think highly of) And I have never seen any complaints about Bet365 that I can remember. As far as I can tell Bet365 is ery ery reputable and they are rated A+ at Sportsbook Review. And they do not apparently work on the same system that booted you from Sierra. When you're dealing with Bet365, you're dealing with them and them alone.
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| Posted by: silkprint at July 4, 2006, 3:09 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Thanks for the heads up Mrrace. I won't even sign up there . I can't be bothered giving my money to casinos that treat their customers this way anymore . Been there and done and never even GOT a tshirt .
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| Posted by: mucullus at July 3, 2006, 11:00 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Sierra Star
I’m sorry but it appears that you have been flagged by playtech (our service provider) to be abusing the bonus system in other Casinos that are run by Playtech. Please note that this is our Service Providers decision and is not a decision made by the management of the Casino.
At least their reply is straightforward. I think most online casinos try to hide the fact that they are solely a marketing agency which outsources several functions one would consider to be fundamental to a casino, like customer service, risk management, payment processing, etc.
Disclosing such structures would probably take much of the glamour out of online casinos. On the other hand, hiding behind these practises can lead to frustration and misinformation on the player's side.
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at July 3, 2006, 8:19 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by mrracetrack
Posted by sdaddy:
I never won anything. Never cashed out at ANY Playtech casino...not even a dollar.
Well, the only other reason I can think of is that you took a bonus but although you lost both the deposit and bonus, you never went back to lose too much so it made 'sense' to them to think that you tried to take 'advantage' of the bonus given to you. The fact that you have lost is irrelevant to them as you never went back to become a loyal and consistent losing customer.
Chatmaster(chathead), if you are reading this, it's why so many players detest the term 'bonus abuse' as this ery term is abused by the rogue casinos.
Mrracetrack,
Yeah, the casino rep, Ivosh did isit this forum today and that explains why they gave you that answer right after your post although they might as well have it unanswered with that sort of a reply.
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| Posted by: mrracetrack at July 3, 2006, 7:40 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Posted by sdaddy:
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I'm almost certain that the reason you got locked out is that you're on the so-called Playtech blacklist. All it takes is to win with a bonus and you are permanently not welcome at a lot of Playtechs.
I never won anything. Never cashed out at ANY Playtech casino...not even a dollar.
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| Posted by: mrracetrack at July 3, 2006, 5:52 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Well... isn't this interesting...
Within an hour of me posting on here about this "issue"...
Sierra Star Casino decided to e-mail me a reason for locking my account...
This is, of course, AFTER they had told me:
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We are unable to further assist you, and we thank you for your initial interest in our casino.
Macgyver was correct...
It is for "what they claim" is bonus abuse...
This is the e-mail I got...
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Hi Bruce
I’m sorry but it appears that you have been flagged by playtech (our service provider) to be abusing the bonus system in other Casinos that are run by Playtech. Please note that this is our Service Providers decision and is not a decision made by the management of the Casino.
I’m sorry for any inconvenience caused.
Kind regards
Sandra
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| Posted by: sdaddy at July 3, 2006, 5:15 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by mrracetrack
Yes... I did get a deposit bonus with Play Gate. That is the ONLY Playtech I've played at in over two years. I lost both deposit and bonus.
3-4 years ago... I played at a few Playtech casinos. No problems that I know of... Just never really cared for them that much... that being why I only played at Play Gate in the past two years.
I don't consider myself a "bonus abuser"... I will take bonuses offered... abide by the T&C... and will deposit without bonuses occasionally.
Whatever the reason is for Sierra Star locking my account... I deserve to be told what that reason is.
I'm almost certain that the reason you got locked out is that you're on the so-called Playtech blacklist. All it takes is to win with a bonus and you are permanently not welcome at a lot of Playtechs.
I completely agree that you deserve a straight-up answer when this lock out happens. It's highly unprofessional to... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Freudian at July 3, 2006, 4:40 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
I actually think this is much better than taking the money, allowing the player to risk losing his deposit and if he wins forfeit the winnings+bonus. At least here you save some time and much grief.
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| Posted by: mrracetrack at July 3, 2006, 3:49 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Posted by Macgiver:
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Did you take a bonus at Playgate? I've had 4-6 different Playtech casinos do the same thing to me and I just associated it with my bonus hunting.
Yes... I did get a deposit bonus with Play Gate. That is the ONLY Playtech I've played at in over two years. I lost both deposit and bonus.
3-4 years ago... I played at a few Playtech casinos. No problems that I know of... Just never really cared for them that much... that being why I only played at Play Gate in the past two years.
I don't consider myself a "bonus abuser"... I will take bonuses offered... abide by the T&C... and will deposit without bonuses occasionally.
Whatever the reason is for Sierra Star locking my account... I deserve to be told what that reason is.
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| Posted by: Macgyver at July 3, 2006, 3:22 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
This is nothing new ...
Did you take a bonus at Playgate? I've had 4-6 different Playtech casinos do the same thing to me and I just associated it with my bonus hunting.
As far as I'm concerned (and this is as a bonus hunter), it's better than a person depositing and then finding out they couldn't get a bonus. Then, the player finds it takes 3-5 days just to get the deposit back?
Now, that would suck. I'm not saying you're a bonus hunter, mrracetrack, but there are plenty of other casinos out there who will happily take your money. At least that's how I look at it ...
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| Posted by: The Watchdog at July 3, 2006, 2:22 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
Thata was a lot of @#%#@#%
The typical emails which give you non sense answers and never help you with anything.
Thats the type of service I despite and makes me want to puke.. After puking it gives me the urge to punch my screen since I don't have that dumb son of #@#@ in front of me.
Sorry for that, but its true. Service like that is exactly why the industry has such a reputation.
What if he played in another casino??? If he has used his card for some other place why should it bother them???
All I can think of is that they are looking for innocent and new customers in the industry to rip them off...
I don't like that at all...
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| Posted by: mrracetrack at July 3, 2006, 2:01 am | | Topic: SIERRA STAR CASINO... STAY AWAY!! Forum: Casino Meister |
I've been trying out some new casinos recently... and thought I would give a new Playtech one... SIERRA STAR CASINO a try...
Posted on the SIERRA STAR homepage...
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Professional Customer Service
Our Customer Service personnel are one the most professional and competent customer service teams in the industry. Our managers are highly trained and we only employ customer service staff proficient in the gaming industry. Our personnel monitor all of Sierra Star's activities to ensure a superior gaming experience for all of our customers.
Satisfaction Guaranteed
We aim to exceed your gaming expectations and welcome any feedback you may have. Please feel free to contact our friendly 24/7 customer support team with any question or concern at anytime.
Gee... makes you think if you had any type of problem... they would respond and offer assistance right away...
Well... here's my story...
I downloaded and ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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