| Posted by: REOdeathwagon at January 13, 2007, 4:14 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by winbig
One example of this would be when I worked for an ISP down in Delaware. We would sell bandwidth to other offices in the building (via Ethernet), and they would obtain IP's from a DHCP server of ours. (they weren't static IP's.)
It would be ery common for them to play with the same IP address that a different computer had in the recent past, even if they were in a different office altogether.
If they tried to cash out, would they be banned also? Probably. Would it be the correct thing to do? Of course not. They need to start judging if a player has multiple accounts by their network card's hardware address, NOT their IP address. Every single Network card has a unique hardware ID. The only problem with this is, those hardware ID's can be spoofed.
Winbig, you would then be found out as the syndicate leader. LOL
REOdeathwagon
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 9, 2007, 11:33 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
If this group of players are acting fraudulently, they are either really stupid, or fiendishly clever.
I doubt that serious fraudsters would make it so easy to get caught. Far more likely is that this is a group of friends who became aware of a juicy offer and played it at face alue as one of them had no problems with getting paid. They DO admit to having common connections, but are they a fraud syndicate, or just a group of friends who referred one another as the casino encourages it's players to do.
As for fraud, have any of these players submitted false details, used a common source account number for what should be their OWN money (I don't mean same bank etc, I mean SAME ACCOUNT NUMBER AND NAME). Have they "cheated" (not sure how you cheat at random casino games, but this IS RTG ) ; have they broken any of the terms for the bonus they accepted, othe than spurious technical terms that the ordinary person could not be expected to have the necessary technical knowledge t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: winbig at January 9, 2007, 8:28 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
In this case, while a large number of players are sharing an IP address, this alone does not indicate fraud. ISP's often reallocate IP addresses, sometimes for each new internet session. It won't be too long before any given casino ends up with two or more players who either signed up, or played, from the same IP address as another. This current group would seem to be sharing a common point of connection to the internet, but this could be because they are playing at work on an office intranet with a common port to the outside internet. While casinos keep on pushing their players to refer their friends this is bound to happen. Referred friends, especially those who lack any real technical insight of the internet, will not consider the possible problems that may happen if they all take up the referral and sign up from, say, their place of work.
One example of this would be when I worked for an ISP down in Delaware. We would sell bandwidt... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: winbig at January 9, 2007, 8:22 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kyleb
I understand about the necessity of pseudonyms; I worked at a poker site and many people chose to use them. However, keeping the same manager's name despite turnover is irresponsible, especially when they use turnover as an excuse to delay payments (like Shark seems to have been doing as of late).
But on the other hand, what happens when someone asks a new CSR if "Oliver Curran" is working today and they reply with "Who's that?"
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 9, 2007, 6:53 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quite, I found out about there having been multiple Oliver Currans some while ago, and all seemed to be using the same E-mail address. This was a clear case of multiple management abuse, and all Crystalisle casinos are currently prohibited from downloading onto my computer, and any computer that I may have in the future.
In this case, while a large number of players are sharing an IP address, this alone does not indicate fraud. ISP's often reallocate IP addresses, sometimes for each new internet session. It won't be too long before any given casino ends up with two or more players who either signed up, or played, from the same IP address as another. This current group would seem to be sharing a common point of connection to the internet, but this could be because they are playing at work on an office intranet with a common port to the outside internet. While casinos keep on pushing their players to refer their friends this is bound to happen. Referred friends, especially those who lack any re... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dominique at January 9, 2007, 4:41 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
This does have a distinctively bad smell, with the same IPs.
Everyone has Pseudonyms online. All the posters here do. Many have the same ones on every message board they frequent. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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| Posted by: kyleb at January 9, 2007, 11:07 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
I understand about the necessity of pseudonyms; I worked at a poker site and many people chose to use them. However, keeping the same manager's name despite turnover is irresponsible, especially when they use turnover as an excuse to delay payments (like Shark seems to have been doing as of late).
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at January 9, 2007, 10:44 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kyleb
It's just interesting that there would be multiple Oliver Currans - why not get a new pseudonym?
I'm guessing this is just a business decision to maintain an image of stability. Let's say there is a high turnover in managers - or that managers are rotated in their positions - it would make sense to create a persona that remains the same yet having different people working under this pseudonym. Also in this industry, many people don't like using their real names - especially when companies operate in grey areas or specifically illegal realms (Sportsbooks that take US bets over the phone, etc.). Employees would be reluctant to be using their real names.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at January 9, 2007, 10:08 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kyleb
We should also make it a point to say that Oliver Curran is not his real name. It is indeed Warren Cloud.
I've seen plenty of links on the Internet that say Bryan had to remove his real name by threat of legal force; Bryan maintains it was due to "naughty words." We'll see if the mention of Oliver's real name stays.
This is complete total bullshit. There were a couple of posters about a year ago that pushed their luck to see how far they could go with me. They continued to make slanderous remarks toward the operator (being abused as a child, etc.) and I told them to take a hike. The thread was moved to a non-public area as well because it has no purpose except to slander. It would have stayed in public iew if only these members had shown some maturity and restraint.
It never ceases to amaze me how many members fail to actually read what I post. I have posted on a number of occasions that "Oliver Curran"... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: kyleb at January 9, 2007, 3:18 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
We should also make it a point to say that Oliver Curran is not his real name. It is indeed Warren Cloud.
I've seen plenty of links on the Internet that say Bryan had to remove his real name by threat of legal force; Bryan maintains it was due to "naughty words." We'll see if the mention of Oliver's real name stays.
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| Posted by: BBKPoker at January 9, 2007, 3:14 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
BTW, the money quote of that post by CM:
"Oliver Curran, the manager of Crystal Palace and High Rollers Lounge, is about as tactful and diplomatic as a inebriated semi-retarded chimpanzee at the Queen's Golden Jubilee Ball."
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| Posted by: BBKPoker at January 9, 2007, 3:13 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by oliver_curran
Hi Casinomeister,
I am ery pleased to read your comment regarding the fact that all of these players share the same IP address on your system as well.
This strengthens our iew that all these players represent a syndicate of promotion abusers who are playing online together - and the players themselves seem to admit it.
This is a clear iolation of the casino terms and we have no regrets whatsoever about the actions we have taken to block this syndicate.
Sincerely
Oliver Curran
Power Bet Casino
It's not exactly a syndicate of players when someone (myself) thinks you have a good bonus, were reasonably fast about paying and emails it to a couple of coworkers who enjoy online poker and casinos who they think would want to take a look at it. That's a referral. I would assume you'd be happy to have those. At least, all the poker sites I play at take it that way and some even reward me for i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: kyleb at January 9, 2007, 2:54 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Pinababy69
I'm sorry Kyle, but I do find alot of this odd. To start with, you were posting for your "friend", be that Rachel or DDDestroyer (Dave). Then, one or both of them had to create an account here at CM from your computer. Do they not have computers of their own? And if not, how did they sign up at the casino from different computers?
They have computers, obviously. I just didn't think that them coming to my house and signing up would be a problem.
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Kyle is a small business owner, hackkevin is in phone sales and BBKPoker has no occupation. Then Kyle says he does know BBKPoker as they work together, but doesn't know the others. Then BBKPoker comes on and says they do know leenperkins as she also works with them. Well, where do you guys work? If Kyle is the business owner, don't you know who works for you?
I own a consulting business on the side, and work full-time at a general office setting... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dc9999 at January 9, 2007, 2:20 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
TWO problems exist here from my antage point:
1- As pinababy69 and The Meister have pointed out, the whole situation does have an unusual "smell" to it. No argument there, however the players should be granted the opportunity to provide additional supporting information that would either disprove - or - inevitably confirm the suspicions that exist.
2- As I mentioned in another post pursuant to the American Grand dispute, I find it appalling that Mr. Curran chooses to selectively respond to SOME posts, while ignoring many others. Even if this case goes against the players involved (which I agree is a distinct possibility),lets not forget that Oliver and his cohorts do not have a ery good track record on effectively resolving customer disputes.
Still...I am all for dialogue, and perhaps the re-emergence of Mr. Curran will mark the beginning of a more consistent response pattern by the casinos he represents.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at January 9, 2007, 1:43 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
I'm sorry Kyle, but I do find alot of this odd. To start with, you were posting for your "friend", be that Rachel or DDDestroyer (Dave). Then, one or both of them had to create an account here at CM from your computer. Do they not have computers of their own? And if not, how did they sign up at the casino from different computers?
Four of the above six live in Washington, according to their profiles. One is from California, and one is from Sacramento and Roanoke.
Rachel, DDDestroyer and leenperkins all list their occupations as students. Kyle is a small business owner, hackkevin is in phone sales and BBKPoker has no occupation. Then Kyle says he does know BBKPoker as they work together, but doesn't know the others. Then BBKPoker comes on and says they do know leenperkins as she also works with them. Well, where do you guys work? If Kyle is the business owner, don't you know who works for you? Then we find out that your posts in this forum are all from the same IP. So my g... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mikepipe at January 9, 2007, 12:42 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
I dont know Mr. Curran, nor have i played at his casinos. But to me this sounds absolutely reasonable.
We cannot seriously discuss issues from players who share IPs at a casino. (if this is really the matter here!).
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| Posted by: oliver_curran at January 9, 2007, 12:03 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi Casinomeister,
I am ery pleased to read your comment regarding the fact that all of these players share the same IP address on your system as well.
This strengthens our iew that all these players represent a syndicate of promotion abusers who are playing online together - and the players themselves seem to admit it.
This is a clear iolation of the casino terms and we have no regrets whatsoever about the actions we have taken to block this syndicate.
Sincerely
Oliver Curran
Power Bet Casino
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| Posted by: BBKPoker at January 8, 2007, 10:13 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Leenperkins is in our office as well, Kyle, I showed her CM on my computer. Not sure who hackkevin is, but I'd assume he's an officemate too. You certainly have my welcome to pull up any old records of ips, emails, etc to check ips matching, I'm sure we can't possibly match what you are describing from several years back.
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| Posted by: kyleb at January 8, 2007, 9:43 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
In fact, the following members share IP addresses:
kyleb
BBKPoker
hackkevin
rachelrae
dddestroyer
leenperkins
I have already said that I know and have shared a computer (when showing them how to signup for CM) with Rachel and Dave (ddestroyer). I also know BBKPoker, as we work together.
I can't explain the other relations with the exception of knowing that they have outstanding Powerbet issues.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at January 8, 2007, 4:47 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Pinababy69
Just to clarify CM (and out of curiousity), do you mean that those five members all share the same IP here at the forum? Or at the casino?
They share the same IP addresses in the forum. Rachelrae and dddestroyer know each other and played at the casino ia the same IP - winnings denied for have ing multiple accounts. Leenperkins was also denied her winnings for having multiple accounts from the same casino.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything here - I'm just pointing this out.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at January 8, 2007, 1:51 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Yeah, I guess I meant Dave, but you still share his IP address, and he Rachel's.
In fact, the following members share IP addresses:
kyleb
BBKPoker
hackkevin
rachelrae
dddestroyer
leenperkins
And most of these members have an issue with Powerbet (amongst others). So what am I supposed to think?
This is reminiscent of a massive fraud ring from Washington state that I dealt with several years ago. I'm wondering if I dig up these records, perhaps some of the same IPs, names, emails addresses and other similarities will surface. I'm not accusing anyone of fraud here, but there are a number of things that don't jive.
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| Posted by: kyleb at January 8, 2007, 11:25 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
The problem is - is that Kyleb and Rachael Rae all have played from the same IP address, thus the casino is considering this a case of multiple accounts.
For what it's worth, I've never played at Powerbet (or any RTG besides Cool Cat). I suspect you mean Dave.
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| Posted by: BBKPoker at January 8, 2007, 8:59 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
I can understand why that might cause complications with cashouts, and how it could be construed as a case of multiple accounts, but it doesn't seem to be against the terms and conditions. Only signing up from the same ip/household is against their terms from what I am reading (correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see anything against logging in from the same ip being against their T&C). It seems similiar to me the way that poker sites are suspicious of accounts that have played from the same ip, but generally it's not a big deal with them if you login from the same ip as your friend's.
As such, it seems like they should be paying.
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| Posted by: kyleb at January 5, 2007, 10:47 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
My comment was directed at Oliver Curran and his team, not Casinomeister. It seems like he forwarded the PAB, which is about all he can do for now.
Been three days since the "vacation," Ollie - what's the deal?
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| Posted by: winbig at January 2, 2007, 12:38 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kyleb
Not true - he's not handling any more than the first complaint sent in on a non-accredited casino from a given user. I think this is the right play, for sure.
That being said, good to see nothing is getting done, as usual.
Give the guy a break. He's on acation. Wouldn't you want to enjoy one also? Not like he's here 24/7 to assist in PAB's.
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WARNING: Players be advised that you are relying on the discernment, empathy and responsiveness of the casino operator to consider your dispute. I will assist as time permits.
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| Posted by: kyleb at January 2, 2007, 10:55 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by winbig
Bryan isn't touching RTG's right now unless they're accredited, or Hastings gets their a$$ in gear (yea right) and starts processing complaints.
Not true - he's not handling any more than the first complaint sent in on a non-accredited casino from a given user. I think this is the right play, for sure.
That being said, good to see nothing is getting done, as usual.
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| Posted by: winbig at December 31, 2006, 7:44 am | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by rachelrae
Still nothing - PM'd + Emailed Bryan and Oliver to no avail. It's been three weeks since I've heard from anyone...
Bryan isn't touching RTG's right now unless they're accredited, or Hastings gets their a$$ in gear (yea right) and starts processing complaints.
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| Posted by: dc9999 at December 22, 2006, 4:02 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
RTG really has to step it up regarding the Hastings BV dispute forum that's been promised as the next iteration of Montana.
Point Two: It's truly mind boggling to read how many "rules" are allegedly broken by online gamblers who frequent "Oliver Curran" managed casinos so that their winnings can be withheld/confiscated.
I wonder if someone affiliated with these sites ever PROACTIVELY contacts a player while they're in the midst of a LOSING streak to remind them that in the event their luck turns and they request a cashout, they won't be paid because of the "rules iolations." PUHLEASE ...don't get me started!!
Bottom line: (and yes I am the proverbial broken record..) : If you ACCEPT the players deposits and CONTINUE TO LET THEM PLAY..YOU MUST PAY OUT ANY ACCRUED WINNINGS!!!!!!
C'mon "Oliver"...this sham has been going on for years, and it's made you and your cronies quite wealthy...
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at December 12, 2006, 2:27 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by rachelrae
Yes, is there any update whatsoever with this?
Your PAB only contained the URL for this thread. It doesn't help much when I need information on deposit amounts, dates, whatever. You aren't providing me with any additional information.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at December 12, 2006, 2:24 pm | | Topic: PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kyleb
Meister, Oliver Curran, anyone out there going to look into this?
They are seizing the money based on a single shared IP that was due to a wireless point of access by complete accident. This is good enough proof to seize $20,000?
Nice.
You never PABd
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