| Posted by: pangloss at May 12, 2007, 1:15 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lojo
Looking forward to this thread closed, and a fortune lounge rep coming back on board. Prolly not in my tenure as a dysfunctionalist.
I think I might just quit folks, most ya just don't get it.
I tried.
Have another beer.
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| Posted by: lojo at May 12, 2007, 1:07 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Looking forward to this thread closed, and a fortune lounge rep coming back on board. Prolly not in my tenure as a dysfunctionalist.
I think I might just quit folks, most ya just don't get it.
I tried.
seventeen, think it would have been differn==================
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| Posted by: lojo at May 12, 2007, 2:49 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
I guess I won't be starting another thread. I hit an impasse so I'll just wrap it up here.
Here's how it went: I asked for clarification of 30x playthrough of bonus as there is a caveat on the 200 and 400% where it doesn't actually credit to cash in increments: if you withdraw before 30x bonus you lose all but initial purchase.
Also after reading the new hedge term I asked for clarification and explained my betting styles on craps and roulette. A rep got back to me saying my craps style was fine - gave me a guest account and password, and asked me to log in, play a few a examples of roulette, then contact him and he'd get back.
Got three replies from other CSR and none of them addressed the roulette 'trial' directly. Attn: "Dude" had no affect, so to heck with it.
Just in case anyone wondered, my roulette play is: Heavy on 17, heavy on second 12, heavy on middle line, heavy on black. Max on all splits and neighbors of 17. Coverage 70%+ it's not an all or n... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: lojo at May 11, 2007, 7:08 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
The whole idea is a bit crazy. They've approved my craps strategy as 'pure', still waiting on a response to my roulette methods. (I use over 70% coverage)
I really don't see, in the long run, how any roulette play could be acceptable or unacceptable (except as part of a larger bonus strategy). If I bet black once aren't my odds the same as betting 17 thirtyfive times? If I put one dollar on a number, or 35 dollars on a color... wtf? it's the same thing over time isn't it? (unless of course I don't have at least 35x35 (or $1225) to play with.
A high risk bet is a high risk bet, and a grinding bet is a grinding bet. I guess they could be used together, but that seems to be clearly termed against ia 'even money' betting.
I'll probably start another thread for this after I get a response on my roulette query. But I haven't completely decided whether to take the 400% bonus or not. It doesn't convert to real cash in ten dollar increments: you have to wager the whole bonus 30x ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vinylweatherman at May 11, 2007, 8:48 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
It's still and FU clause because it is way too open for the casino to interpret.
It is better than nothing, but it still only defines two kinds of play patterns, and they are not clearly defined either.
Hedge betting is probably the clearest, being placing a bet on all, or damn near all, possible outcomes such that all ariance in a game is eliminated.
An illustration of this would be placing bets on both red and Black at French Roulette, and engaging autoplay for the number of spins required to clear the WR, and then withdrawing.
Equal betting is not clear. Again they could be referring to the above red/black strategy, but "Equal betting" can also be playing a large number of spins on a slot all with the same bet, or hands of Blackjack, table poker, VP, scratchcard. This is so wide a definition they could use this to oid paying ery large numbers of players they "don't like".
As to other irregular patterns, well, EVERYBODY plays an "irre... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: cyprean at May 11, 2007, 8:23 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by pangloss
Anyone can answer, even Fortune Lounge representatives:
What is "irregular play"?
What is "equal betting"?
What is "hedge betting"?
If the answers aren't immediately obvious then ..........well in truth we all know it is the same old bullshxt from these pirates.
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I would like to know as well. They surely seem to have the FU clause in use.
I believe that the safest way to avoid "equal betting", "irregular play" and "hedge betting" is to avoid their casino in the first place. I thought "regular play" was a bad thing as "over 4000 players played EXACTLY the same way" but now "irregular play" is on the FU clause as well.
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| Posted by: pangloss at May 11, 2007, 6:56 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lojo
24. Irregular playing patterns will be reviewed before withdrawals are processed. Equal, or hedge betting shall be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes. The Casino reserves the right to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred to meet play-through requirements.
Is this still a FU clause? Was it always there and I missed it? Got this from VegasPalms.
Anyone can answer, even Fortune Lounge representatives:
What is "irregular play"?
What is "equal betting"?
What is "hedge betting"?
If the answers aren't immediately obvious then ..........well in truth we all know it is the same old bullshxt from these pirates.
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| Posted by: lojo at May 11, 2007, 2:51 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
24. Irregular playing patterns will be reviewed before withdrawals are processed. Equal, or hedge betting shall be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes. The Casino reserves the right to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred to meet play-through requirements.
Is this still a FU clause? Was it always there and I missed it? Got this from VegasPalms.
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| Posted by: AudiManinBoro at May 9, 2007, 12:13 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
heh hey at least you were in a position to win at royal egas. Im a new member there, made a few deposits, received a few bonuses, lost out big time on every slot i played and can count on one hand the bonuses that came out after several deposits, it doesnt play anywhere near as good as some of my other Mg casinos but hey im probably just unlucky. first time ive heard of anyone complaining about locked out casinso though, from reputation alone, this casino group is sterling!
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| Posted by: Consty1 at May 7, 2007, 11:57 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I'm just finishing up with the response that I had from FL yesterday. I'm satisfied will all but four of the 23 complaints submitted here. I'm waiting for some clarifications at the moment.
Any news on the remaining disputes?
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| Posted by: Stanford at April 26, 2007, 4:54 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
We have to stick by our guns on this, and that is exactly what I am doing. About a quarter of the PABs submitted to me on this so far have been fraudulent. This is strictly forbidden by the terms and conditions and these players deserve nothing in my opinion except a kick in the ass and tossed out the door.
FL has reversed many of the knee-jerk decisions made earlier.
Well done on getting players paid. I don’t play anymore – yet. But it is gratifying, none the less.
I think Halfday mentioned you getting criticism. I have not noticed that. I can’t imagine why you would face any criticism
Halfday also indicated he was suspicious of the ones called “fraud”. I can understand that. A ery long time ago, I was teaching my daughter to play. She did a couple of deals at FL before losing interest. She was an adult living on her own in another city and I didn’t consider that a br... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at April 26, 2007, 2:58 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
You know what? I'm going to take back what I said. I'm not going to stick my neck out for these folks again.
I'd say proceed with caution - ask first and get it in writing.
WELL SAID.............what more can be accomplished by leaving thread open? It seems at least for now CM and its members(no clue about FL and no one will be forced to pet the dog unless they chose-rogueing FL can be determined in the future) have the situation in its proper perspective.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at April 26, 2007, 2:58 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
This person needs to either contact me or eCOGRA. If she is a legitimate player, she'll get paid. If she'd a fraudster, she won't.
We have to stick by our guns on this, and that is exactly what I am doing. About a quarter of the PABs submitted to me on this so far have been fraudulent. This is strictly forbidden by the terms and conditions and these players deserve nothing in my opinion except a kick in the ass and tossed out the door.
FL has reversed many of the knee-jerk decisions made earlier. So far a number of these players deemed bonus "abusers" have been paid their winnings (or payments are pending).
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| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at April 26, 2007, 2:44 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by halfday
CM,
You must be in a difficult position. I realize that we don't know all the ins and outs as you do.
I would assume that you are perplexed as to why you are recieving so much criticism on this thread.
You have much respect. I think the reason so much criticism is coming from here is our angle on this situation.
We (I suppose I should not talk for others)...... I see this as blatant theft. This person was in the middle of playing and had not even finished when the casino shut down thier account and kept their winnings AND deposit AND bonus. How can this be anything but rogue? Also, we cannot see the "proof" of player fraud. No doubt there was some fraud but they are not really concerned so much with that according to their own statements. What they ARE concerned with is intelligent play. Using your money wisely and actually trying to win. They have stated this with thier own words here and in private emails and in pr... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: halfday at April 26, 2007, 2:16 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by pangloss
http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/londonscasino.php
LondonsCasino rouged for calling players ignorant.
Well it gladens my heart to see the sensitivities of players afforded such a high priority that warrants the offending Casino being sent to the Rogue Pit.
Now what about our friends at Fortune Lounge?? Players aren't so worried about name calling - they are worried about about continuing, unrepentant naked theft from their collective wallets by self-confessed thieves.
LondonsCasino calles players ignorant - got sent to the Rogue Pit at the speed of light.
FL Casinos commit outright theft - takes over a week just to get them off the accredited list let alone getting them anywhere near the Rogue Pit.
What ital piece of information am I missing here? I am smelling rats - BIG ones!!!
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CM,
You must be in a difficult position. I realize t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at April 26, 2007, 12:56 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I will put my neck on the line as say yes - players should be able to play any game they like how they please as long as it falls within the terms and conditions.
You know what? I'm going to take back what I said. I'm not going to stick my neck out for these folks again.
Quote: Originally Posted by NextToYou
Can I currently as an affiliate recommend FL casinosī welcome bonuses and confidentially say that they (players) can play the welcome bonus any way the like (big bets or small bets and any game they like - roulette or baccarat or slots or any other which isnīt prohibited in T&C)?
I'd say proceed with caution - ask first and get it in writing.
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| Posted by: Vesuvio at April 26, 2007, 10:52 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
...this situation was/is complicated due to the massive fraud involved.
There's your big rat - player fraud.
While I understand a willingness to give one of the oldest and largest casino groups some benefit of the doubt, player fraud simply doesn't account for FL's actions.
Fraud, like bonus hunting, has always been around since casinos started offering bonuses. If a deal is good some people will always try to do it more than once. FL know and knew all of this - as I said before, pleading ignorance isn't an option for them.
What they decided to do was to take money from anyone who played their bonuses intelligently. Sure, they knew they'd also catch fraudsters in the net, but they were entirely aware that they'd be cheating a large number of players who met all of their terms and conditions out of winnings. Presumably they calculated that it would be profitable enough to outweigh the inevitable bad publi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at April 26, 2007, 9:48 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by pangloss
http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/londonscasino.php
LondonsCasino rouged for calling players ignorant.
Well it gladens my heart to see the sensitivities of players afforded such a high priority that warrants the offending Casino being sent to the Rogue Pit.
Now what about our friends at Fortune Lounge?? Players aren't so worried about name calling - they are worried about about continuing, unrepentant naked theft from their collective wallets by self-confessed thieves.
LondonsCasino calles players ignorant - got sent to the Rogue Pit at the speed of light.
FL Casinos commit outright theft - takes over a week just to get them off the accredited list let alone getting them anywhere near the Rogue Pit.
What ital piece of information am I missing here? I am smelling rats - BIG ones!!!
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When you start reading my posts - which includes comprehending them -... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: lojo at April 26, 2007, 9:31 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by pangloss
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What ital piece of information am I missing here? I am smelling rats - BIG ones!!!
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Well, Pangloss, if you are of the mind, as you are, that all casinos are rigged, it's just another day at the races, huh?
At least you can be glad that no Fortune Lounge Winner Screen shots have been showing up.
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| Posted by: pangloss at April 26, 2007, 9:24 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by halfday
They are locking accounts in the middle of play now it appears as you can see by reading HERE.
http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/londonscasino.php
LondonsCasino rouged for calling players ignorant.
Well it gladens my heart to see the sensitivities of players afforded such a high priority that warrants the offending Casino being sent to the Rogue Pit.
Now what about our friends at Fortune Lounge?? Players aren't so worried about name calling - they are worried about about continuing, unrepentant naked theft from their collective wallets by self-confessed thieves.
LondonsCasino calles players ignorant - got sent to the Rogue Pit at the speed of light.
FL Casinos commit outright theft - takes over a week just to get them off the accredited list let alone getting them anywhere near the Rogue Pit.
What ital piece of information am I missing here? I am smelling rats - BIG ones... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at April 26, 2007, 7:42 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NextToYou
Can I currently as an affiliate recommend FL casinosī welcome bonuses and confidentially say that they (players) can play the welcome bonus any way the like (big bets or small bets and any game they like - roulette or baccarat or slots or any other which isnīt prohibited in T&C)?
I ask this because I can see that FL casinos havenīt changed much at all their bonus T&Cīs after this episode (just a slight modifications in how much certain games count towards WR). So are they still confiscating honest players possible winnings from bonuses under "too intelligent playing style"-excuse or have they moved back to non-rogue behaviour?
I will put my neck on the line as say yes - players should be able to play any game they like how they please as long as it falls within the terms and conditions.*
If not, I (and eCOGRA for that matter) need to be aware of any faltering from the rules immediately.
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| Posted by: NextToYou at April 26, 2007, 2:37 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Can I currently as an affiliate recommend FL casinosī welcome bonuses and confidentially say that they (players) can play the welcome bonus any way the like (big bets or small bets and any game they like - roulette or baccarat or slots or any other which isnīt prohibited in T&C)?
I ask this because I can see that FL casinos havenīt changed much at all their bonus T&Cīs after this episode (just a slight modifications in how much certain games count towards WR). So are they still confiscating honest players possible winnings from bonuses under "too intelligent playing style"-excuse or have they moved back to non-rogue behaviour?
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at April 25, 2007, 9:33 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Stanford
...It really is insulting to the gambler. It seems casinos have decided that the games are like Pac Man. We are supposed to put our money in and just enjoy the graphics. Sorry, but that isn't gaming. We are supposed to take their money. They get a shot at ours. They get the percentages. We get to use our heads. That's gambling...
Excellent point. Casino managers and operators should never lose sight of this. Running a casino is an ENTERTAINMENT business, not a cash cow. And they are the ones who make the rules and control the percentages.
Quote: Originally Posted by Stanford
And while we are at, I know your standard. You say it right up front. A player takes up a bonus based on the rules at the time and if he plays accordingly, he gets paid. Why is that not eCOGRA's standard? Why do they even allow this "bonus abuse" excuse?...
ECOGRA and I are seeing things pretty much eye-to eye on this. I be... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at April 24, 2007, 7:04 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Stanford
In another thread we are discussing it is time to write Congress and it probably is. But why try to write congress if the top franchise of the top software provider can willy-nilly just not pay people their winnings? Why support an industry like that? There has to be standards.
Stanford.
And therein lies the paradox, on one hand UIGEA was deceitful,all about money,creates trust issues between citizens and its government,etc. and on the other hand the majority of online casinos are deceptive ia whatever the faux pas of the day(T&C'S,bonus abuse,simply not paying,all decisions of management are final,unfair software,etc.), all about money(with affiliates making money off player losses and assuming CM's acation substitute greedygirl is still associated w/ RX, she has to this day run FL ads on the RX site-agendas just like our government), and thus all kinds of trust issues w/ online casinos. I feel wronged by our goverment but ye... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at April 24, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Just finishing up the PABs and following up on these complaints submitted ia Casinomeister to Fortune Lounge. So far I have the following that concern this bonus "abuse" issue:
23 complaints total
4 resolved - players' accounts unlocked and paid
6 fraudsters
13 pending. That's not good since most of these were submitted before my departure on 30 March.
"Non fraud related players have been paid and fraudulent players have not." was what I was told last week when I returned. They have until tomorrow to let me know what is up with the remaining 13 players.
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| Posted by: Stanford at April 24, 2007, 3:26 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I guess you missed the posting where I mentioned "Non fraud related players have been paid and fraudulent players have not". This is a relatively dead thread, with only a handful of open cases. Many of the people posting here don't even have a case with this issue.
eCOGRA has been adamant in taking care of these player issues and getting the non fraud players paid. How is this shill-like? You might as well call me a shill as well.
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I guess you missed the posting where I mentioned "Non fraud related players have been paid and fraudulent players have not". This is a relatively dead thread, with only a handful of open cases. Many of the people posting here don't even have a case with this issue.
eCOGRA has been adamant in taking care of these player issues and getting the non fraud players paid. How is this shill-like? You might as well call... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Vesuvio at April 24, 2007, 11:40 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I guess you missed the posting where I mentioned "Non fraud related players have been paid and fraudulent players have not". This is a relatively dead thread, with only a handful of open cases. Many of the people posting here don't even have a case with this issue.
eCOGRA has been adamant in taking care of these player issues and getting the non fraud players paid.
Actually, I think eCOGRA have been positive here. If they would just come out openly to say that the "catch-all term" is unacceptable and then consistently ignore it when dealing with claims they might yet be a worthwhile organisation.
Fortune Lounge not paying players and leaving it to eCOGRA to sort out their mess, however, is unacceptable. As before, they should have one last chance to apologise and promise not to claim "bonus abuse" as an excuse for non-payment in future. If they don't, they should be rogued (on the basi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at April 24, 2007, 10:34 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
[/quote]So WTF is that supposed to mean? [/quote] .................................................. ................................................I expressed and stand by my post and you I assume the same, any further discussion would accomplish little so with all due respect there is nothing further to be gained imo.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at April 24, 2007, 10:16 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
Maybe a dead thread but a serious ongoing industry problem to players. I do not give a damn about the casinos and maybe worse most casinos do not give damn about the players which maybe you will agree is the nature of the beast. Your post sounds like most casino hosts (aka affiliates in the online industry) who only know how to talk out of both sides of their mouths. I apologize to someone I respect for the nature of my response.
I really don't know what you are getting at, perhaps you should refer to some of the posts made in this thread to understand where I am coming from.
I pointed out my standards concerning bonus play:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post150769
When it was clear that FL was making statements contrary to this, I removed them from Casinomeister's Accredited section.
Before I went on holiday, I posted this statement:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post1533... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at April 24, 2007, 9:54 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I guess you missed the posting where I mentioned "Non fraud related players have been paid and fraudulent players have not". This is a relatively dead thread, with only a handful of open cases. Many of the people posting here don't even have a case with this issue.
eCOGRA has been adamant in taking care of these player issues and getting the non fraud players paid. How is this shill-like? You might as well call me a shill as well.
Maybe a dead thread but a serious ongoing industry problem to players. I do not give a damn about the casinos and maybe worse most casinos do not give damn about the players which maybe you will agree is the nature of the beast. Your post sounds like most casino hosts (aka affiliates in the online industry) who only know how to talk out of both sides of their mouths. I apologize to someone I respect for the nature of my response.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at April 24, 2007, 8:16 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Stanford
It isn't player fraud. It is casino fraud.
Fortune Lounge was a bit low on cash. There has been a market constriction you know. They decided to take some from the players they invited in with a bonus. They need new players and offering bonuses are the way to do that. But then there are skilled players who can turn figure out advantagous ways to play them.
They simply need players and want to offer bonuses to get them but then, avoid paying some of the winners. And they want only stupid players - no smart ones.
eCOGRA is a shill. I hate to say it, but I believe it. They will back the casinos if they can. And it goes further than that. It really speaks to the lack of integrity of Microgaming as a franchise.
Do yourself a favor. Forget these rogues and switch to poker. If you want to play slots, wait and go to Vegas. Once upon a time there would have been a boycott over stuff like this. Once upon a time Fortune... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Stanford at April 24, 2007, 5:15 am | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by halfday
Somehow we keep getting turned around to massive player fraud.
Where?
They are admitting to locking accounts and confiscating winnings/deposits because of game play tactics in which the player tried to win.
This is totally rogue behavior in every aspect. I am shocked that there is any debate to this at all.
It isn't player fraud. It is casino fraud.
Fortune Lounge was a bit low on cash. There has been a market constriction you know. They decided to take some from the players they invited in with a bonus. They need new players and offering bonuses are the way to do that. But then there are skilled players who can turn figure out advantagous ways to play them.
They simply need players and want to offer bonuses to get them but then, avoid paying some of the winners. And they want only stupid players - no smart ones.
eCOGRA is a shill. I hate to say it, but I believe it. They will ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: halfday at April 20, 2007, 7:50 pm | | Topic: Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by fortunelounge
I do mean "bonus abusers". We do not, and have not had, issues with players who take us up on our offers, try out the different games in our casinos and withdraw. We have never had any issue with real, legitimate winners either.
This is a case where players purchase the minium required to receive the offer (no problem with this) wager the full amount on one hand of a low risk game and, if they win, proceed to play only French Roulette, betting on red or black / odds or evens to meet the wagering requirements and then to cash in and disappear. This is nothing else than bonus abuse, call it what you like.
Thank you for your ersion. We regard syndicates as players linked by certain identifiers who play from the same area and display the same patterns.
No inncocent players were affected. It will be totally insane of us to throw away good (potential) business. Moderately clued-up players do n... | | Read Entire Entry |
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