| Posted by: lojo at October 25, 2007, 12:18 am | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Good points, all. And i sure wasn't suggesting that everyone put on a deputy meister badge. But i will do my part as long as I'm here. And in that same breath I want to recognize Pina and ChuChu and others for the work they've done.
There is no reason that Meister Members can't help out new posters - ask about T&C, inform about this website and all of the info available. I don't mean that a new poster with a complaint should have to run a gauntlet or count coup, just be informed before involving the PaB process.
I've suggested PaB often, and will be more careful in the future.
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| Posted by: Nifty29 at October 24, 2007, 11:17 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Geez that sucks Bryan
After being around the traps for a while, you get to see the signs of someone partaking in literary masturbation - and this guy stood out like a blind carpenters' thumb.
If it looks like a turd, and smells like a turd........
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at October 24, 2007, 10:04 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by noluckever67
maybe thats being too hasty huh!! why not make it that a small donation to pab might be made beforehand not a lot just enough so that if someone wastes your time then you have some recompense? prob a daft idea but worth a shot
No haste. I'm working on three week's worth at the moment. Apparently there is something wrong when users cannot follow instructions. Either the instructions are not clear enough or too difficult to follow.
I'm rethinking the PAB section - it won't go away, it's only suspended at the moment. I have never accepted a dime from members to do this. Some would send me things from my wish list, but I prefer people to donate whatever they may get out of it to the Donate Now page:
http://www.casinomeister.com/donate.php
This gets little to no traffic, by the way.
Quote: Originally Posted by phynqster
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at October 24, 2007, 10:04 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
It would help if casinos themselves would put their houses in order. Many are happy to try almost anything to screw over the hapless player, and CR do not exactly have a clear concience.
Had this been about 32Red, I expect the OP would have had a harder time convincing the forum his case had merits. He even admitted to using a third party "robot", and he must be a "pro" to even know of a Microgaming ersion - The only one I have ever heard of was one for 888.com that played it's Blackjack for the then SUB - before they made it 200x playthrough.
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| Posted by: phynqster at October 24, 2007, 9:17 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Thumbs up to you Bryan!! Sometimes it sucks just doing the right thing, but that is what makes you different from the others. You have made the choice that you are above that petty shit. Think about all of the individuals you have helped through the years, don't let one ass screw you up.
I was thinking that you should post the PAB complaints in a section and len let forum members ask questions and comment before you become too involved. I am sure in most cases the forum can weed out the junk quickley.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at October 24, 2007, 7:11 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
The problem is that most of the players who either post complaints or PAB fail to read the instructions - and they are clear as can be.
Many don't read casino terms and conditions, and then they post/PAB disregarding the rules here just as well. It's pretty frustrating.
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| Posted by: lojo at October 24, 2007, 5:36 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Or maybe if someone is a newbie here, they could be made to post a bond that would be forfeit if they are fraudster.
I wish the members would be more inquisitive and open minded assuming nothing... maybe some of these guys would shake out before Bryan had to bother with their bullsh*t.
And I still think they should have to read the rogue player section... that mixed with some kind of consequences in addition to baniishment might help. How about publishing IP and real names in a section? Something, anything, just please don't let these turds disable one of the most important powers of this sight!
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| Posted by: noluckever67 at October 24, 2007, 5:21 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
maybe thats being too hasty huh!! why not make it that a small donation to pab might be made beforehand not a lot just enough so that if someone wastes your time then you have some recompense? prob a daft idea but worth a shot
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| Posted by: jaguar1987 at October 24, 2007, 9:49 am | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
As it`s been said a thousand times in this thread, the grounds for confiscating winnings stated by CR do not include bonus abuse or anything like this. I don`t remember exactly, but I think the term you cited was not in use at that time.
Using a robot is a risk, I agree, but it isn`t the autoplay feature prohibited in the TC.
Just as a second-hand pc and everything else I spoke about are not the "shared computer environment" case.
I would consider giving up in case you`d like to be a nice guy and send 2200E to me.
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| Posted by: Nifty29 at October 23, 2007, 4:28 am | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
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(I have not used the Autoplay FEATURE prohibited by the T&C (refers to that of the MG software) but I have used a third-party program which obviously is not forbidden by T&C).
Anyone who has read these forums would know that using robots etc is a huge risk, especially when a bonus is involved. I assume the robot was placing minimum risk bets etc over and over..?? Anyway, the following term probably lands you in hot water too:
Quote:
Observations of playing patterns such as the playing for deliberate minimum risk, equal, zero margin or hedge betting may not be considered as playing in the appropriate spirit for the purposes of meeting bonus wagering requirements. Should the Casino deem that these practices have been utilized for the specific purpose of meeting wagering requirements, the casino reserves the right to withhold any cashins and/or confiscate all winnings.
Also, this one might drop you in it:
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| Posted by: cyprean at October 23, 2007, 1:17 am | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
One question for the OP - are you sharing your computer with anyone?
OP wrote:
Quote: Originally Posted by jaguar1987
I have not opened any accounts besides those in my name, several within this group, from my computer. There has been some mistake or just a desire not to pay large winnings. I suggested that the reasons could have been the following:
a. I use an ISP that gives dymanic IPs. There could have been a coincidence that my IP was the same as the IP of another user at other time
b. I accessed some of my accounts with Microgaming casinos from a university computer. Someone might have accessed his/her account from the same location. I had not made amy bets from there, I was checking the status of my withdrawals.
c. I have acquired my PC second-hand and it may link to accounts of the original owners through hardware identifiers.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at October 22, 2007, 5:23 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
PABs are backlogged three weeks at the moment, but I hope to have them all taken case of by tomorrow. I'm on this one now.
When they mean identifiers, it usually has nothing to do with a style of play but that they have connected your account to another/others. Is really quite simple. I'll see.
One question for the OP - are you sharing your computer with anyone?
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at October 16, 2007, 5:07 am | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jaguar1987
PAB posted more than a week ago. No reply from Bryan or the casino.
What can be wrong?
A week may be a long time in politics but withdrawals usually take much longer than this. Exercise some patience. Bryan is bound to follow this through.
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| Posted by: lojo at October 13, 2007, 4:23 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jaguar1987
PAB posted more than a week ago. No reply from Bryan or the casino.
What can be wrong?
He's probably not working this weekend.... try to send him a personal message (click on his name or avatar) and I'm sure he'll follow up soon.
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| Posted by: lojo at October 2, 2007, 5:27 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jaguar1987
Any advice on how to act and whom to addres will be highly appreciated.
If you've already Pitched a Bitch you're in good hands. I'd just read http://www.casinomeister.com/problems.php over again and follow any requests from Bryan.
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| Posted by: jaguar1987 at October 2, 2007, 4:39 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Concerning autoplay:
They could see it for sure if I used the software autoplay feature, which is prohibited. Perhaps the software sends info tothe server about autoplay feature being used.
Iagree with the previous poster in part that this is not a bonus abuse case. A large win from bonus might have been the actual reason for their actions, i.e. unwillingness to pay a large sum and to find an excuse for it, but the words "bonus abuse" never appeared in any mesages from them or Ecogra. The Multiple acc case which is happening might have been triggered by reasons I spoke about in my first post, but in this case they are acting not according to TC, as a dynamic IP coincidence or a use of a second-hand PC are NOT the "shared computer environment" or anything else stated in the TC and quoted by support.
Grounds are invalid in my case.
It is a pity that a reputable group acts this way and gets support from Ecogra.
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| Posted by: bernynhel at October 2, 2007, 3:51 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
I don't get why anyone thinks the casino is accusing anyone of bonus abuse when they clearly state the lockout is due to multiple accounts which is not allowed per their terms. Citing multiple accounts relieves the casino of having to justify a bonus abuse iolation which is a much grayer area whereby multiple accounts from one location or computer is a slam dunk. Good luck to anyone who expects a sizable cashout in a situation like this
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at October 2, 2007, 3:31 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
[quote=lojo;190710]
Quote: Originally Posted by jaguar1987;190704 (I have not used the Autoplay FEATURE prohibited by the T&C (refers to that of the MG software) but I have used a third-party program which obviously is not forbidden by T&C).
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Just out of curiosity, what games were you using this 'third-party program' on?
This looks like they have detected "bonus abuse". They have decided not to pay, and have come up with the reasons not to.
The "third party program", although not "Autoplay", is the same thing, and will come under the "robot" clauses in the general T & C.
Playing Roulette & Bacarrat is going to earn you an audit anyway, especially FRENCH roulette.
The "autoplay" argument is a bluff, the casino can not PROVE you used it, they can see patterns that indicate you MAY have used it, such as playing for 12 Hours non-stop, bets at same intervals, and in the case of games like Blac... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jaguar1987 at September 30, 2007, 6:09 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
[quote=lojo;190710]
Quote: Originally Posted by jaguar1987;190704 (I have not used the Autoplay FEATURE prohibited by the T&C (refers to that of the MG software) but I have used a third-party program which obviously is not forbidden by T&C).
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Just out of curiosity, what games were you using this 'third-party program' on?
roulette and baccy, as far as I remembber
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| Posted by: jaguar1987 at September 30, 2007, 6:06 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I'm having it tough? I'm doing fine, just busy that's all
Go ahead and PAB and if I run into any of the Bellerock people this next week I'll have them look into it.
When they mean "identifiers", this usually means that you fall into a category of fraudster by using the same computer to sign up numerous accounts - or you are linked to people who do this. They won't tell you exactly what you've done since they will not disclose how they have detected this. That is their prerogative - and this is understandable since this protects the business from players overriding these things. Normally the casino will share this information with me - about 99% of the time, the casino is spot on.
But I'll check - I just hope you're being honest with me and you are not trying to feed me a load of BS. I'll find out if you are or not.
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| Posted by: lojo at September 30, 2007, 5:53 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
[quote=jaguar1987;190704 (I have not used the Autoplay FEATURE prohibited by the T&C (refers to that of the MG software) but I have used a third-party program which obviously is not forbidden by T&C).
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Just out of curiosity, what games were you using this 'third-party program' on?
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at September 30, 2007, 5:43 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by chuchu59
...You could try to Pitch a Bitch but Bryan has been having it tough of late.
I'm having it tough? I'm doing fine, just busy that's all
Go ahead and PAB and if I run into any of the Bellerock people this next week I'll have them look into it.
When they mean "identifiers", this usually means that you fall into a category of fraudster by using the same computer to sign up numerous accounts - or you are linked to people who do this. They won't tell you exactly what you've done since they will not disclose how they have detected this. That is their prerogative - and this is understandable since this protects the business from players overriding these things. Normally the casino will share this information with me - about 99% of the time, the casino is spot on.
But I'll check - I just hope you're being honest with me and you are not trying to feed me a load of BS. I'll find out if you are or not.
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| Posted by: jaguar1987 at September 30, 2007, 5:11 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by noluckever67
Theres something really weird there i mean cmon read thru forums and look at excuses other people have given for being bonus abusers and getting caught out.Accept the fact you have abused the bonus and move on.
I have read many forums and the main conclusion that can be made is that CASINOS TRY TO FIND EXCUSES NOT TO PAY THE WINNINGS.
In my case there was not a single word about bonus abusing, only the shit about multiple accounts and autoplay (I have not used the Autoplay FEATURE prohibited by the T&C (refers to that of the MG software) but I have used a third-party program which obviously is not forbidden by T&C).
The casino suggests I have iolated some of the points in TC (2, exactly), but if you read my original message attentively you`ll see nothing has been iolated.
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at September 30, 2007, 4:54 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
Identifiers? This is sh####. All my accounts were locked by the Riverbelle group 2 years ago when they stated that their identifiers had related my accounts related to other fraudsters. I couldnt gain access to their web sites let alone the casinos as they diverted me to some South African Food site. After complaining here and a couple of months time, they reopened my accounts without even an apology. If they are so damn sure the accounts are yours they should check the relevant accounts with you and tell you, for example, when the accounts were opened etc. The autoplay excuse is also absurd.
The casino must come clean about what identifiers they mean. A long time ago, there was a casino who claimed something similar just because the player resided in a particular country and when the same surname was used which was the same as a previous player it was believed that the person was the one and same player and the winnings were not paid out initially.
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| Posted by: jaguar1987 at September 30, 2007, 3:58 pm | | Topic: CR DISPUTE over ~$3000 in winnings - bogus claim Forum: Casino Meister |
1. On July, 11th I ordered a withdrawal of EUR 1006,5 from the Blackjack Ballroom Casino. About EUR 700 were remaining in my account. Several days later (the withdrawal had not been processed yet) I made a EUR 500 bet and won, making my net win around EUR 2200 (or USD 3000). Quite a large win this was, so presumably the casino decided not to pay me by finding an excuse for it, so:
2. on July, 15th I discover that my accounts within this group were locked. PLEASE NOTE: no e-mail informing me about my accounts being locked had been sent to me. I would have been waiting for my withdrawal and wouldn`t have know that it wasn`t processed any more, had I not tried to login into the casino. I do believe that this is an unethical practice and a disrespectful attitude to the players, I have never come across anything like this during all my internet gambling experince.
3. In reply to my e-mail asking to clearify the situation I received this:
Hello Dmitriy
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