| Posted by: schankwart at May 23, 2006, 3:21 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
bump
I could not believe it when I just found a letter from their sister Casino, Crystal Palace, in my mailbox!
Unfortunately it was not a cheque for my payment but rather a new attempt in order to try to get even another deposit of me in.... Of course along with a bonus......
I have just phoned Kahnawanke again as I am now in the strong mood to finally get rid of my outstanding disputes so the bashing can stop!
Unfortunately the person that deals with this is not in office yet but should be there in about three hours. I will call again later tonight and see what they have been able to find out.
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| Posted by: suzecat at May 14, 2006, 11:00 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by schankwart
Vegas Frontier has closed its doors now and got turned into Crystal Palace.
I might be mistaken (entirely possible) but didn't Vegas Frontier (RTG) morph to become Vegas Country (MGS)?
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| Posted by: schankwart at May 14, 2006, 8:37 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
I am bumping this thread as my frustration about the whole issue has been neverending!
After endless excuses and wrong promises by their ex- affiliate manager "Lorne" about a "soon resolution of my case" I came to the point whn I had to forward this whole dispute to the hands of Montana Overseas.
Unfortunately I stepped in the worst trap back then as back then as I was not aware that Montana only accepts disputes which are not older than 60 days. Lorne thereby perfectly pushed up the Casino's limit to the max. As soon as I filed my complaint with Montana they told me that they are not willing to look into this matter anymore due to the few months that Lorne "took away" from me.
Not to much later Vegas Frontier got bought by noone else but Mr. Oliver Curran who of course refused to take any responsibility about my payment as well. I then realized that Vegas Frontier displayed the Kahnawanke-logo on their homepage, which caused me to file my d... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at November 20, 2004, 3:31 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kavaman
Correct me if i am wrong, but isnt it montana who should be contacted first about this matter. I mean bryan isnt currently answering to RTG complaints, atleast before montana has tried to resolve the dispute, correct?
Also i think montana has proved to be quite a good service, because atleast all my disputes, have been paid ..
-kavaman
I answer the PABs as time permits. I've resolved a number of RTG complaints this past week without any Montana involvement. But yes - I would prefer players to contact them first since they are being PAID to do this. I'm not.
Make them earn their money
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| Posted by: kavaman at November 20, 2004, 1:25 am | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Correct me if i am wrong, but isnt it montana who should be contacted first about this matter. I mean bryan isnt currently answering to RTG complaints, atleast before montana has tried to resolve the dispute, correct?
Also i think montana has proved to be quite a good service, because atleast all my disputes, have been paid ..
-kavaman
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| Posted by: schankwart at November 17, 2004, 6:48 am | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Due to a longer trip overseas I unfortunately have not been able to follow up on this situation anymore for the last several weeks.
Since I am still unpaid and Vegas Frontier manages to simply ignore any communication, it looks as if I will have no choice now anymore but to involve a mediator into this.
Bryan, you may expect to get a p.a.b. from me soon.
Others, please be aware of what you most likely will get yourself into if you decide to play here.
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| Posted by: sw2003 at September 1, 2004, 5:14 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by sirius
Relating to Cyber Betting Ltd. but mainly off topic I was just reminded of something that happened about six months ago to do with the forum on my site. Someone from Random Logic Ltd. (the company which wrote the software for Casino On Net) had done a google search for ""Cyber Betting Ltd" and ended up looking at the google cached page of my forum about the group (it's no longer properly indexed by google as it's an old buried thread but it's here: http://www.faircasinos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117).
Why would Random Logic (the IP info of the isitor was: 192.118.67.34) want to search for "Cyber Betting Ltd."? That was their exact search term.
While doing a search for "Random Logic Ltd." just now I also found this article which is quite interesting about flaws in the software:
http://www.gamblingsecurity.com/GS-001.php
I think the article at the last link addresses a serious ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sirius at September 1, 2004, 5:00 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Relating to Cyber Betting Ltd. but mainly off topic I was just reminded of something that happened about six months ago to do with the forum on my site. Someone from Random Logic Ltd. (the company which wrote the software for Casino On Net) had done a google search for ""Cyber Betting Ltd" and ended up looking at the google cached page of my forum about the group (it's no longer properly indexed by google as it's an old buried thread but it's here: http://www.faircasinos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117).
Why would Random Logic (the IP info of the isitor was: 192.118.67.34) want to search for "Cyber Betting Ltd."? That was their exact search term.
While doing a search for "Random Logic Ltd." just now I also found this article which is quite interesting about flaws in the software:
http://www.gamblingsecurity.com/GS-001.php
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| Posted by: sirius at September 1, 2004, 4:13 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by seanjohn
how bout those people who have money kept by Crystal Palace et al fo years? i myself still got $500 in Netclubcasino.com....and they ...they...they...went out of business over night!
It is a bit coincidental that you mention netclubcasino.com in this thread. They were bought out by the same group mentioned in this thread (Cyber Betting ltd. who own Blast 21) over a year ago. They also own VegasFrontier. They also promised to pay all outstanding payouts from the old netclubcasino.com so you should have received your $500 back and maybe you should contact them about it. Incidentally, they didn't have access to the original domain name (which now seems to be a Cirrus affiliate) so used www.net-club-casino.com but this redirects now to another casino of theirs called betnetclub- although it used to be an exact copy of the old netclubcasino.com.
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| Posted by: seanjohn at September 1, 2004, 3:41 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
You'll get paid - if nothing else, RTG will eventually lean on them and force them to cough up.
how bout those people who have money kept by Crystal Palace et al fo years? i myself still got $500 in Netclubcasino.com....and they ...they...they...went out of business over night!
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| Posted by: jetset at September 1, 2004, 8:49 am | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
From reading your posts thus far it appears that you have now been trying to get your money for around two weeks without success, and the added frustration of having your emails ignored.
If the casino won't speak to you, you have no choice - you must lodge a complaint either with Montana or Bryan's pitch-a-bitch section here, Schankie.
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| Posted by: caruso at August 31, 2004, 8:00 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
You'll get paid - if nothing else, RTG will eventually lean on them and force them to cough up. Aside from casinos that failed, have there actually been any cases of legitimate RTG cashouts that have never been settled in the fullness of time? I doubt it.
So you'll get your money - it'll just be a long, sticky process, with RTG dragging themselves through the mud once again with bags of bad publicity.
Been there, done that.
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| Posted by: schankwart at August 25, 2004, 10:49 am | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Ja Jetset, for now I will keep all my options open but am going to warn players about the actions (theft) of this Casino.
They clearly ignored my emails where I asked them to give me a alid explanation.
I have seen this behavior at a couple other RTG Casinos now and always had to involve mediators first in order to get paid.
I will give them the ery last option to change their attitude now but if that doesnt help (as it will NOT pretty much for sure) I am going to escalate this to the next level again.
The blacklist crap is plain ridiculous as I have never played against any terms and always obeyed all rules.
I have already asked Montana to please try to contact the RTG Casinos and avoid this problem with me in the future but unfortunatly they never answered me on that and now I got the result again.
-I dont have much room to cry though as this is just what I get from playing at RTG.
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| Posted by: jetset at August 25, 2004, 10:05 am | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Even if you are on some sort of RTG black list the time to ban you is when you register, not when you have accepted an offer, wagered and won.
We only have your side of the story here, but to me it certainly appears that Vegas Frontier owes you an explanation for their seemingly arbitrary actions. If one is not forthcoming (and covers fair and decent reasons) then I would say this is rogue-ish behaviour, and not a good start for a relatively new operation.
As Bryan said, persevere with casino management but get that Montana complaint in, because unfortunately Montana seem to be getting a reputation for pretty sluggish activity.
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| Posted by: schankwart at August 25, 2004, 8:23 am | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Well, I have had the same thing happening lately already with Destination Poker who also called me a fraudster without having any reason to do so.
Some bs RTG Casino seems to have put my name on a blcklist once and now the roguesters are jumping on this "excuse" whenever I win.
I am awfully sick and tired of having to deal with these issues over and over but unfortunately there are still too many black sheeps involved in RTG-based Casinos.
I talked to the Casino CSRs now a couple times but they "do not know" why my withdrawal has not been paid and tell me to contact the Casino host (who then never answers).
Ill keep you updated about this newly disgust.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at August 25, 2004, 7:52 am | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by schankwart
I deposted $200 for their 100% sign-up offer about a week ago and managed to win my amount playing Video Poker and Slots for the wagering requirements.
After cashing out I found my account to be locked and immediately contacted them ia email a several times to see what is going on. They replied me once and called me a "fraudster" without giving any reason. My money of course was being oided. -After that they simply ignored me and all of my attempts of communication...
Schankwart, please either fill out "Pitch a Bitch" and I'll contact the operators or use the link for Montana disputes. All you are doing here is blowing off steam which won't get you anywhere.
Can you elaborate on why you think they called you a fraudster? Feel free to post their email response here.
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| Posted by: Macgyver at August 25, 2004, 3:29 am | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
From their T&C:
Quote:
Vegas Frontier will match your first deposit dollar-for-dollar up to $250. Play any games you wish to play, however, you must wager 12 times your deposit and bonus in Slots wagering before requesting a cash-out.
However, from your post:
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I deposted $200 for their 100% sign-up offer about a week ago and managed to win my amount playing Video Poker and Slots for the wagering requirements.
Now I don't know if playing VP oided your winnings, but I agree that they owe you an explanation and reason at the ery least for locking your account.
Did they refund your $200 deposit, btw?
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| Posted by: Black21Jack at August 25, 2004, 1:39 am | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
I am shocked by their actions. This group that owns all these casinos have good customer service and they always pay. You said you emailed them but why not try their telephone support 1-888-262-5118 Keep us posted as to what happens, as I said I am quite surprised at this.
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| Posted by: sw2003 at August 25, 2004, 1:22 am | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by schankwart
Okay okay, you guys are right... I am just sick of those joints and it really annoys me to explain the same crap over and over...
I deposted $200 for their 100% sign-up offer about a week ago and managed to win my amount playing Video Poker and Slots for the wagering requirements.
After cashing out I found my account to be locked and immediately contacted them ia email a several times to see what is going on. They replied me once and called me a "fraudster" without giving any reason. My money of course was being oided. -After that they simply ignored me and all of my attempts of communication...
ROGUE!!!
So anyone who takes their bonus and win is a fraudster! Nice going! File a complaint with the whatever organization that deals with RTG casinos' complaints.
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| Posted by: schankwart at August 24, 2004, 11:48 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Okay okay, you guys are right... I am just sick of those joints and it really annoys me to explain the same crap over and over...
I deposted $200 for their 100% sign-up offer about a week ago and managed to win my amount playing Video Poker and Slots for the wagering requirements.
After cashing out I found my account to be locked and immediately contacted them ia email a several times to see what is going on. They replied me once and called me a "fraudster" without giving any reason. My money of course was being oided. -After that they simply ignored me and all of my attempts of communication...
ROGUE!!!
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| Posted by: sw2003 at August 24, 2004, 11:22 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Agree! It is hard for anyone to take your side if you just come here screaming they stole your money, ask us not to play there, then bid us goodbye!
Try going to court, scream your neigbour stole your gold watch and then leave and see if you will win your case! Really, try it!
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| Posted by: Black21Jack at August 24, 2004, 10:10 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by schankwart
This Casino decided to steal my ~5k in winnings without giving me ANY explanation. I have played 100% by the rules and did not break any of them.
My emails are being ignored and any attempt of communication from my side failed.
All in all I discovered just another rogue (RTG) Casino here who obviously gives a sh*t about morals nor its reputation.
I am warning all players to NOT play at this joint...
STAY AWAY FROM VEGASFRONTIER.COM!
From what I know Vegas Frontier is owned by the same group as Vegas Magic, Slot Fever, Blast 21, Palace of Chance and there are a few others. I have never had any problems with any of their casinos including Vegas Frontier. You do not eloborate on your experience with them and just state that you were ripped off for $5000.00 You do not state whether it was from a bonus deposit, what bonus offer it was, what the WR were, and where the money went. Did you request a withdrawal... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: schankwart at August 24, 2004, 9:55 pm | | Topic: VegasFrontier.com (RTG)... A new roguester! Forum: Casino Meister |
This Casino decided to steal my ~5k in winnings without giving me ANY explanation. I have played 100% by the rules and did not break any of them.
My emails are being ignored and any attempt of communication from my side failed.
All in all I discovered just another rogue (RTG) Casino here who obviously gives a sh*t about morals nor its reputation.
I am warning all players to NOT play at this joint...
STAY AWAY FROM VEGASFRONTIER.COM!
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