| Posted by: phynqster at May 25, 2006, 7:29 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Caruso,
I have to tell you when I first started reading the forums I thought you and shank were the same player, but through the years I have learned differently.
What the main difference is between you two that I see is that you are for the PLAYER, all players, where he is for himself. You are both ery opinionated and articulate and to be honest fun to argue with, but I do believe you would admidt to being wrong,(if it ever happened). Where when I showed shank a note he had signed with me stating he would not play bonuses, he still would not admidt to any wrongdoing. There is always a middle ground to both sides.
BTW I was wondering how long it would be , before you jumped in after Bryan's quote. Ha Ha
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| Posted by: duke7123 at May 25, 2006, 12:43 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
I would like to comment on Andrew if that is infact his nam. If you have proof of what you're saying and it is in fact the 100% truth. Then he and or they can never file a case and win. Because if one is and can backup their comments then it is ok to tell the truth and to let the worl know. Having said that if you don't have proof then maybe you should try a different ave! to defame; to misrepresent maliciously; to ilify.
Best of luck and remember if you're right then fight!!!!!
Just a thought
Duke
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 25, 2006, 10:45 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Just jumping in here real quick to make a clarification:
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Ohdreampop / gamblinboi.
Is the allegation these are one and the same person? If this is so, it is false. One is American, the other Canadian. I can tell you this for a certain fact. How are they linked? If the allegation is a different one, that's another matter. But these are separate individuals.
I didn't say Ohdreampop and gamblinboi were the same person. This issue involved these two players and a third. The third and gamblinboi were the same individual. Ohdreampop was not one of them.
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| Posted by: caruso at May 25, 2006, 10:38 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by casinomeister
You can sucker in the help from Sirius, Caruso, Batman and Robin, or anybody else for that matter.
Since I seem to have inadvertently found my way into this discussion:
Since you linked that Cirrus thread, I assume you read it. Did you see how many posts I had in it? Did you see how many were supporting Shanky? - find ONE single such post and you can charge me that $500 fine you have for time wasters. I condemned his behaviour every inch of the way. LOL, the casino even thanked me personally.
What is the point?
On this matter: the ague wording of the terms is the problem:
"craps and roulette wagers are not included"
This can be interpreted to mean 1) those games are not included in the bonus wagering, or 2) those games are not included in the list of eligible games. There is no information as to which one is correct, but it's not up to the player to second guess the casino... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Nifty29 at May 25, 2006, 7:46 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
In the ery first instance Sirius, you may have a point. The stated terms may not have expressed exactly the Casinos policy about Roulette.
HOWEVER
Schank was warned by the Casino (more than once as I read it), and WWV stated personally ia email and phone that they considered Roulette an excluded game. It is also important to note that the Casino paid Schank on that occasion, on the understanding that the player was fully aware of what the Casinos position was. Hence, they denied the payout and rightly so.
Let me ask this question - if you were at all unclear of the terms on a website, do you: a) contact the Casino for clarification or b) play anyway and hope you got it right.
If you had a brain, you would choose a)
So you chose a) and the casino told you 'no go' on the Roulette, would you a) play it anyway and argue the wording on the website if theres a problem, or b) dont play Roulette as advised.
If you had a brain, you would choose b)... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sirius at May 25, 2006, 7:41 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
By the way, it is clear to me that he qualified to receive the bonus as it was a cashback promotion. He could apparently play any game apart from Blackjack. It's one thing qualifying for the bonus and another to meet the requirements to withdraw. The software tells the player when he has played enough but if he has played on games that don't count, then they apparently are still counted in the software. As mentioned earlier, he didn't qualify to withdraw anything with the cashback bonus as the play would be null and oid until he wagered enough in the allowed games.
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| Posted by: sirius at May 25, 2006, 7:32 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
The fact is there is nothing wrong with playing roulette with the bonus as long as the wagering requirements are later met on the allowed games. The terms don't say otherwise. This was the normal situation until some casinos started banning them altogether. This doesn't give players an advantage compared to playing other games where they can win big just as easily with similar house edge. I want to ask Casinomeister where he's seen the term at this casino that means players can't play that game?
The only problem is that he expected the bonus amount to be removed from a withdrawel but the terms are quite clear on the fact that play on unearned bonuses (they are earned when the wagering requirements are met) are null and oid. If he had some deposit in his account then they may have removed just the bonus amount if he didn't get below his deposit but this was just pure bonus he had so he couldn't withdraw before completing the wagering.
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| Posted by: Macgyver at May 25, 2006, 3:13 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
There are shit loads of players who have been playing for years without a single issue. And these are successful happy people.
Count me as one in the "shit loads" ... 3 years playing with bonuses almost exclusively, and I've come to Bryan once (maybe twice) with a PAB.
And that PAB was taken care of by the casino paying me a few days later, and Bryan hadn't even contacted them yet.
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| Posted by: Nifty29 at May 25, 2006, 2:07 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Well, Im glad its finally been revealed. It was never a witch hunt for me, just a quest for the truth - and thankyou to Bryan for coming forth with the goods.
Whilst Im glad its happened, Im certainly not somersaulting (lol mitch) as Im stuck with ridiculous wagering rules and rollovers as a result of these kinds of players.
Only ONCE I didnt get paid, and thats because I stuffed up and glossed over the rules. I accepted the consequences and moved on.
Lesson: ALWAYS double check ANY terms you dont think are clear - it takes a few minutes to do and can save you a lot of money/time/stress when it comes to cashing in your chips. Forget bad English or poor grammar or typos or whatever in the rules - its OUR responsibility as players to KNOW what we are getting into. Its called being an adult.
Thanks again Bryan for being the advocate of honest online gamblers.
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| Posted by: mitch at May 25, 2006, 1:56 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Well said Meister.
Nothing against Schankwart and his aim to get as much as he can from bonuses, why not?
His blackmailing methods is what I have an issue with. He ignores, or stretches to breaking point, casino terms and then threatens them with bad publicity on the boards if they don't give in to his demands.
He undermines affiliates or guardians like yourself who take him at face alue to the detriment of their future influence and other players long term interests.
Will not weep tears over this banishment. (Nifty is probably doing somersaults as we speak!)
Mitch
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 25, 2006, 1:33 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
You never did answer my question on why you waited over a year to bring it here. Oh, well - I'll answer that for you later in this post.
I'm just about finished with this.
Let me clarify a couple of things:
a) a player can play and win on roulette with their deposit only BONUS MONEY CAN NOT BE USED TO PLAY ROULETTE OR EARNED PLAYING ROULETTE.
b) shankwart had lost his deposit without qualifying for the bonus money. Because the DCEG software could not discern a qualifying wager from a non qualifying wager they had two options, manually check and approve all bonuses after the fact and no player would receive bonus money until well after they wagered their deposit or allow all bonuses to activate regardless of the game and then retroactively remove any unqualified bonus money and subsequent results. According to the casino, Shankwart is the only player to “not understand” their policies and procedures. If there were more players in his situation, we would have heard about it... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: schankwart at May 24, 2006, 7:47 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Phynqster, fistly please let me know who you are and what Casino you worked for before??
I have posted on WOL about the WWV issue for the first time last August. Over the couple months before that time I was trying to get this matter resolved discretely with the Casino.
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All play utilizing bonus money not earned is null and oid.
Why have I "not earned" my bonus when I lost my complete deposit on Roulette? I understand this term as if they will deny any winnings if I, for instance, had received the bonus after having lost my deposit playing Blackjack. WWV have now updated their webpage with the following term, which would indeed cancel my winnings as well:
2. Any withdrawal request made prior to having met wagering requirements will;
a. Result in automatic loss of any unqualified bonus in the account, and
b.Withdrawal requests for winnings resulting from bonus money wagers before meeting these requirements will be... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: phynqster at May 24, 2006, 7:09 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
All play utilizing bonus money not earned is null and oid.
How do you understand that line. I see it as since you did not make playthrough on your bonus money all play (winnings) are null and oid. You are given bonus money on the stipulation that you make a playthrough. No playthrough no bonus funds, they go hand and hand.
As for waiting a year to post here, why did you also take a year at WOL to post, and when your post got no where there you posted here. Could you please explain what WOL has against you? Also for the record, what I remember from the Cirrus claim I thought it was 50/50 , and you would not budge. But if you remember at the same time you did almost the same thing to me, but dropped the accusations when I showed you the e-mail that you had signed that you agreed to playing without the bonus, but still took the bonus. So remember, when Bryan talks about you conveintlly forgeting certain details, he is not off the mark.
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| Posted by: schankwart at May 24, 2006, 6:52 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by phynqster
I read that , that he could bet on roulette and craps on his deposit, but not on bonus funds. Remember his discrepincy came from taking a cashback bonus after losing his deposit. Making a couple of bets on roulette and hitting, than cashing out before playing the playthrough, claiming that since he cashed out early he gives up the bonus, but keeps all of the money won from it. Sounds like he thought they were offering a sticky bonus with no playthrough, because of his VIP play.
This is what it stated in order to be eligible to claim their cashback bonus:
******CASH BACK NOW******
WorldwideVegas is bringing back the CASH BACK program. If you play today and for any reason are not a winner just email support@worldwidevegas.com and we will add an additional 50% CASH BACK BONUS, up to $500 FREE, to your account. You can't beat the CASH BACK program because its the only time you win free cash if you lose.
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| Posted by: schankwart at May 24, 2006, 6:45 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Okay Bryan, I will be straight up honest with you now as you have asked me for the explanation why I did not get this matter to your forum any earlier. I was actually going to post this last night but forgot to do so.
You have been fooled with goofed correspondence before (Cirrus). Though I can not really blame you for that, it has stolen a lot of my faith and I was ery anxious that the same would happen with WWV again.
They are also claiming that "I would have been warned before that Roulette would oid my winnings", and even that they "would have talked to me on the phone about this (a multiple times)"!
-This is all complete c*** but hard for me to prove. I am just glad that there has not popped up anything (yet) that they manually "put into my mouth".
I am also aware of a dispute with WWV that you have ruled against two other players in the past, though I am positive that those players did not do anything wrong and should have been paid. I ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: phynqster at May 24, 2006, 6:23 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
I read that , that he could bet on roulette and craps on his deposit, but not on bonus funds. Remember his discrepincy came from taking a cashback bonus after losing his deposit. Making a couple of bets on roulette and hitting, than cashing out before playing the playthrough, claiming that since he cashed out early he gives up the bonus, but keeps all of the money won from it. Sounds like he thought they were offering a sticky bonus with no playthrough, because of his VIP play.
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| Posted by: sirius at May 24, 2006, 3:27 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
This response of yours was to this message from Jennifer
I personally notified you on more than one occasion that if you continued to request redemptions of bonus money without following the rules that we would have to take action. You assured me you would meet bonus rules on future deposits and play and I approved your previous payouts. Now that you continue to attempt to abuse the bonus program you leave us with no choice but to decline the most recent payout request of funds as a result of unearned bonus money. There is nothing more I can do for you at this time as management has elected to close your account and reserves the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. It just happens in your case it is because of your repeated attempts to abuse our bonus program.
Regards,
Jennifer
Accounting
You were told in January 2005 that Roulette doesn't count. Here is an email they sent you:
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| Posted by: Nifty29 at May 24, 2006, 3:22 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Yes!
At last BOTH sides of the story have been told.
If this isnt the classic example of why we all now have to play bonuses through 30x+ , then I dont know what is.
You were warned, but you did it again. Count yourself lucky they ever paid you!
Stop wasting forum space that could be used for legitimate player problems.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 24, 2006, 2:03 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by schankwart
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The "discrepancy" that I was referring to came up because I had once miscalculated my fulfilled wagers and accidently cashed out before having reached the wagering requirements of a previous deposit and bonus.
After I contacted th Casino they reversed the balance into my account and this issue was closed nicely this time.
They also allowed me to forfeit my bonus on previous occasions but paid me my winnings, just as per their terms. After I got lucky again however they refused to pay and all details about this issue are explained in this thread.
They simply did not want to pay me anymore as I had "won too much", in their opinion.
This response of yours was to this message from Jennifer
I personally notified you on more than one occasion that if you continued to request redemptions of bonus money without following the rules that we would have to take action. You assure... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dirk Diggler at May 24, 2006, 3:54 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Oh believe me, I lose more often than not
My support isn't for any 'dodgy' player, it's just for ANY player that I feel has been wrongly treated by a casino.
You wont get me backing Schankwart or anyone else if I they've not complied with the terms and conditions of the offer, or commited fraudulant behaviour of any kind.
I just plain and simply believe that any player that has complied with the terms and conditions should be paid - simple as. I couldn't care less if bonuses stopped if it means that casinos actually payout their players and the complaints stop.
I've not been paid a few times by casinos for no good reason and I tell you it's not a nice feeling.
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| Posted by: mitch at May 24, 2006, 1:14 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Dirk
You appear to be a sa y player and if what you post about your casino behavior is accurate and you don't lose your control at any time, you should be ahead with your internet play overall.
You are are only doing this however, on the back of Casino bonuses (No other way to win unless you are constantly lucky).
Why do you therefore constantly support dodgy players who are pushing the boundarys of casinos generosity?
The activities of players like Schankwart can only cause casinos to tighten up or remove their bonuses and that will be then the end of your profits.
You happy with that?
Perhaps you are not the winning player you portray yourself to be and this is some sort of revenge posting.
Mitch
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| Posted by: Dirk Diggler at May 24, 2006, 12:36 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Er, I still don't see how he's broken their terms and conditions.
Here are their promotional terms and conditions which have been the same since the 12th June 2005 according to their website:
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i. When receiving bonuses 40% or less, a player must wager the deposit plus associated bonus amount TWENTY (20) times, to qualify for the bonus.
ii. For bonuses greater than 40% they must wager the deposit plus associated bonus amount THIRTY (30) times (craps and roulette wagers are not included) to qualify for the bonus.
THEY have interpreted the 'craps and roulette wagers are not included' to mean any play on it results in confiscation of winnings, which it certainly DOES NOT.
It is the exact same problem as people have been having with many Playtech's where winnings were confiscated for playing games that did not count towards the wagering requirement, though not totally excluded. Pretty much everyone agreed it was totally wrong for th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: schankwart at May 23, 2006, 11:48 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by mitch
Schankwart
If the evidence posted by the Meister is accurate then I am disappointed in you and your attempted use of this forum and Bryans reputation in trying to further your illegitimate claims against this casino and at the same time trying to damage this casinos reputation in other players minds.
Can't you see how damaging this is for the ongoing influence of this forum and Bryans attempts to get justice in other cases where it is deserved. You are harming other player/members.
I don't mind your bonus hunting, perfectly legitimate IMO. This behaviour however is indefensible and I am sorry mate unless you come up with a clear apology and promise not to use the forum in this way in the future you should be banned. (You will still have your other forums as compensation)
Mitch
Hello Mitch,
had these chats indeed taken place before I made the deposit that I gained my winnings from, then I wo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: schankwart at May 23, 2006, 11:39 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
"Damning"... "Hell"... Those are evil words! NO Bryan, you are not wasting your time!
These chats indeed took place AFTER I made my questionable withdrawal that they did not honor! This whole correspondence happened AFTER I complained about my non-payment and I was not warned by them at any time before, as WWV is trying to claim.
-God, I am just so glad they did not go as far to make up a chat.....!
What about the "phonecalls" though? Please ask them to provide those to you as well! I have not talked to this Casino a single time ever since I was born but maybe they have communicated with a shadow of mine!
So... Please tell me what term I have broken that would oid my winnings?
Bryan, I will supply you with the screenshots pronto that stated that Roulette does not count for wagers. I "unfortunately" can not provide you with a screenshot though that states that Roulette would oid any winnings, as they are claimi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mitch at May 23, 2006, 11:17 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Schankwart
If the evidence posted by the Meister is accurate then I am disappointed in you and your attempted use of this forum and Bryans reputation in trying to further your illegitimate claims against this casino and at the same time trying to damage this casinos reputation in other players minds.
Can't you see how damaging this is for the ongoing influence of this forum and Bryans attempts to get justice in other cases where it is deserved. You are harming other player/members.
I don't mind your bonus hunting, perfectly legitimate IMO. This behaviour however is indefensible and I am sorry mate unless you come up with a clear apology and promise not to use the forum in this way in the future you should be banned. (You will still have your other forums as compensation)
Mitch
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 23, 2006, 11:09 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Here is a message from you that proceeds the ones just posted::
From you:
Hello Jennifer,
could you please explain what this 50 cashback bonus is supposed to be good for then? If I lose, I lose, if I win, I lose as well...??
I of course have lost my deposit and then received the bonus that I gained my winnings from. The same exact thing was totally fine with you before but apparently there seems to be something wrong now.
If you want to change rules then please honor this withdrawal and you will never hear from me again!
I have learned to trust your Casino ery well but this now shocks me deeply.
I will try me best to resolve this issue easily and peacefully but will be forced to involve mediator, affiliates and publicity into this matter in case it turns out ugly.
As I said the same exact thing was fine previously and all withdrawals got honored by your Casino. When there was a discepancy you reversed my withdrawal and we have been able to straig... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 23, 2006, 11:00 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
I have a copy of their help desk tickets - the correspondence between you and the casino support. It's pretty damning.
From last April 2005
We have reviewed the issue and the redemption was correctly declined because not only did you not meet the wagering requirements you used the bonus money to play ROULETTE. It is 100% clear in our rules that bonus money can not be used to play CRAPS or ROULETTE. Any wagers on CRAPS or ROULETTE using bonus money are null and oid and if bonus money is used to play these games the bonus funds will be removed from the account as well as all results of wagers made on these games using bonus money.
If a Player receives a bonus greater than 40% they must wager the deposit plus associated bonus amount THIRTY (30) times (craps and roulette wagers are not included) to qualify for the bonus and the bonus is not for use playing these games.
On past redemptions we did not enforced this part of the rule giving you the benefit of the doubt that you u... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: schankwart at May 23, 2006, 9:03 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
This is so SICK! -Now I am even supposed to have talked to them!?! Bryan, in my own and hopefully your interest, PLEASE DO request copies of the emails they sent and PLEASE also DO get logs of the phonecalls "we have had"! This is now absolutely out of dimensions!! I almost can not believe what is happening here anymore. I am sure this Casino is monitoring this forum! -Andrew or whoever...
They have indeed never allow Roulette for the wagering requirements but by the time I played with them it was NEVER stated that this game would not contribute to the wagering requirements! Also, what is the Casino referring to when they mention "all of their Casinos across their group"? WWV has always claimed they were independent.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 23, 2006, 8:09 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
From the casino:
We have NEVER allowed in our entire history Bonus play on roulette or craps. As I explained before in both of those games it is possible to make zero sum wagers to meet any wager requirement and then cash out the bonus money without having taken any risk. In the case of this player, not only was he 100% aware that these two games were excluded from bonus wagering he had been warned several times before he was finally banned from our casino.
and
I not only exchanged emails with him regarding the issue but he called in several times and I spoke to him on the phone. This issue was clear 100% to everyone involved and we were going to allow him to continue wagering with us and exclude him from our bonus program which I have the ability to click a button and the player is prevented from receiving bonuses, and the player begged me to allow him bonuses and stated he would never do what he did again and claimed he didn’t know the rules.
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| Posted by: schankwart at May 23, 2006, 7:53 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Oh boy... Please everybody hold your breath as this has taken mine! They keep coming up with new stuff again and again. Each time they are being contacted, a new excuse is coming up.
Why do you believe the Casinos but do not believe me? This Casino has set up a perfect trap, threatening me with evil consequences if I continue to take this discussion to public. So what am I supposed to do now? Tell you that I have never been warned that Roulette would oid any play? Tell you that they have just updated their webpage with the questionable term not too long ago? Tell you that I was not the only one who got >< creamed by them? Why do you actually believe their threat is referring to legal steps? For me their words sound like much more than that!
I have saved ALL logs but this is starting to really scare me now. In my anger and frustration I have just sent an email to their manager again myself, hoping for an answer on my question. Jesus, what a nightmare!!
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 23, 2006, 5:31 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by schankwart
...Why also not mention all the right and fine cases of mine, that you should be aware of as well?
I think all of your cases suck! But I think you bought me a CD or DVD once. Fuckin' A! So it's cool.
Besides that, here's the response from the operator:
Here are the details of the claim and why it was declined: The player abused our bonus program not once, not twice but several times. His first attempt at bonus abuse was in January of 2005. He was repeatedly warned to stop utilizing bonus money to play roulette and to stop attempting to cash out unearned bonus money. In every case were he was warned his payout request was approved and paid. During this period he made ~7k in deposits and had cash outs approved for ~12k. The first time he abused the bonus rules it was within my power to deny his payout.
I discussed the issue with him and he assured me it was an honest mistake and would not happen again. Severa... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: schankwart at May 23, 2006, 3:38 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
..."dishonest"... That is your opinion, Bryan. Why also not mention all the right and fine cases of mine, that you should be aware of as well?
I however do appreciate that you seem interested in finding out the TRUTH behind this dispute!
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 23, 2006, 3:08 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by schankwart
Basically I am asking you to not judge me by the number of disputes but rather by their rightfulness! I do not always play at 100%-recommended Casinos and give some smaller ones a try as well. -With WorldWideVegas this decision simply turned out to be no good for me in the end.
Sorry - I'm not judging you by the incredible amount of disputes that you generate. I'm really not judging you at all. The thing is, I'm not sure that this is the best forum for you to pursue this since the last major problem you had it seemed you were being less than honest. That's why I don't deal with your complaints anymore.
As for Cirrus, I had everything I needed to figure out what was up. And if I remember correctly, other people who tried to help you out dropped you like a ton of bricks when they found out you were not being upfront with them.
Quote: Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler
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| Posted by: schankwart at May 23, 2006, 2:52 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Bryan, I have been aware that you are not interested in my business anymore but would appreciate if you could comment about my postings in a objective way.
If you believe my claim with WWV is invalid then there is nothing I can do. It deeply disappoints me but this is your forum. I have posted all facts and if you tell me what term I have broken, I will be doomed right away!
Maybe the "stuff" I posted has not always been easy to get through but pretty much all of my disputes got eventually straightened out by the questionable Casinos.
I have posted about good and evil Casinos a lot over the last years and the disputes that I have had were always legit. Search for my name (in this forum) and I think you could not disagree.
There is a huge number of Online Casinos that have appreciated my business with them for years while other Casinos do of course hate me for my sharpness. Any legit Casino does not care about this though and I am a "VIP player" at quit... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dirk Diggler at May 23, 2006, 2:42 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
To be fair I don't see what that's got to do with this situation. That boiled down to cirrus claiming they had informed the player ia live chat that he wasn't liable for certain promotions where as the player claimed to have no recollection of the chat.
This seems to be a fairly straight forward case of the casino claiming 'bonus abuse' and confiscating the players winnings when they didn't like the way they played, even though the terms and conditions had been followed.
I'd be ery interested to see if they respond, and be ery surprised if that turned out not to be the case.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 23, 2006, 12:36 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Sorry Schank, but after rereading this thread, I'm not sure how much I can trust you right now:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...casino-22.html
It seems like you've gotten yourself in the same sort of situation. Perhaps you should be posting this stuff elsewhere - and not here.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 23, 2006, 12:16 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
Just jumping in here after my Montreal trip.
My dealings with Schanky go way back, and it's gotten to the point that I won't deal with his PAB's anymore. I've learned that his problems are never simply one-sided, and that the casino has an entirely different story. Many of these stories are backed up with chat sessions and emails, etc. I'm a bit surprised Schankwart is having a go at this casino with such gusto in this forum with this sort of history.
So to be fair to the casino in question, I'm toning the title of the thread down a bit. The "threat" of the email (as I read it) is a legal threat. "we're going to get you (legally)" sort of thing. I'm asking the casino for comment to get their side of the story.
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| Posted by: schankwart at May 22, 2006, 9:43 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas complaint Forum: Casino Meister |
My apologies for not having posted here in a couple days. Timely restrictions did not allow me to spend much time online.
I have to say that I ery much agree to what Dirk Diggler says in this thread. CasinoEmployee, how am I supposed to "play dumb" when WWV is putting up terms retroactively? There was no "questionable" rule anywhere in their terms and I have not broken one either. Are you saying that before having made my deposit I should have asked the Casino for confirmation whether all of their terms are still alid...? mhhh
The payment they owe me is more than clear and I will insist on my money until they have paid me. A decreasing number of players should be enough of a warning for them!
WWV, I am hoping that you will be contacting me about this soon so we can get this matter resolved. This payment is due!
On a sidenote, WorldWideVegas have now updated their website with the term they brought up retroactively. I however have save... | | Read Entire Entry |
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