| Posted by: hithere7 at July 3, 2006, 10:03 am | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
I attached a part of the screenshot I have from Europa casino OLD TERMS when I played there.
As you can see it just mentioned that Videopoker does not count towards the wagering
If you go to the following link you can see the terms nowdays at the promotion page and you can see that Videopoker is not allowed to play at all.
Thelawnet had the same problem, they paid him and changed the terms, my case was before the Thelawnet case, I am happy for him but I was never paid.
Here is the link for the new terms
http://www.europacasino.com/bonus.html#100free
Bets placed on all ersions of Baccarat, all ersions of Roulette, all ersions of Sic Bo, all Video Poker games, all ersions of Blackjack, Blackjack Switch, Blackjack Surrender, Pontoon and Craps will not be counted toward wagering requirements. We reserve the right to withhold any amount in excess of the player’s original deposit from a player's withdrawal if... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hithere7 at June 30, 2006, 2:22 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Bryan, are u familiar with the player mentioned above that was paid in full
He played also restricted games, they changed the promotion terms after his incidence but they never paid me.
When I played there the promotion terms contradicted the general terms.
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| Posted by: hithere7 at June 22, 2006, 6:38 am | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
There was a player who had the exact case as mine and I understand from Caruso this player was paid.
Not only he was paid the casino changed his way and put the termsin the promotion terms and not only at the terms of use so there is no more descrepancies between the two terms as it was when I played.
Here is the thread of the other guy who got paid, I sent the casino an email but they still refuse to pay me.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...nfiscated.html
Bryan, is there a way to get the money from them as well
The only difference between me and him that they owe me not 3000 USD but more than 12,000 USD
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| Posted by: hithere7 at April 4, 2006, 3:34 am | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
This is exactly the same.
Now they changed their terms, they put the sentence that you can't play the non allowed games in the promotion terms, when I played there it was only in the term of use therefore there was a discrepancy between the two terms, one only said you that it does not count which means you can play it.
As I said right now they changed and corrected it.
The bad new that NO I haven't gotten paid, the good news that the Casinomeister is taking care of it and I contact him every week for updates and right now there are no updates.
I hope he can make them pay it is really a lot of money.
When you check the promotion term you don't go to the Privacy Policy nor to the term of use, you go only to the promotion terms.
The rest is long and most of the not relevant to promotion so if you are at legal age and everything is ok you should collect your winnings once you win and leave the money on the table when you lose.
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| Posted by: caruso at April 3, 2006, 10:29 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
This was similar to the VegasRed case, where there was discrepancy between the bonus page terms and the deeply hidden user end agreement. The VegasRed player was paid.
Any word from this player? Time to consign this one to the "Can't be arsed any more" slag heap?
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| Posted by: johnsteed at February 14, 2006, 12:51 am | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
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TheSmacker
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"I remember when players' issues came before defending casinos at this site."
Jetset
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No - you're wrong there The Smacker - this site has always been about what is fair, reasonable and balanced for all . That is why it is so respected and successful.
I think you're quite right on that one Jetset. If you comb the internet for other sites similar to Casinomeister.com, you won't find another one which is so balanced. In fact, is it not the most successful site (and one of the few) that deals with players issues on an ongoing basis?
On the odd occasion (a slow Sunday), I'll go isit some of those other sites/message boards (that shall remain nameless), and there's one in particular that's all about foul language and trash-talking. It's a fun read, but they don't resolve anything there. Sure, in many ways, I think that the site is mor... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jetset at February 13, 2006, 10:58 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
It is good to see that your iews on conflict of interest seem to have significantly moderated, Caruso, and I am sure that will work well in your new role as a webmaster.
Don't worry too much about the Playtech nature of this thread eering briefly off course - Bryan is all over these guys and is the most likely of all of us to get things moving. I'm sure he'll report back here or in some other form in due course.
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| Posted by: caruso at February 13, 2006, 9:52 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jetset
(nice personal *commercial* in there too btw!)
Jetset, you sly old dog you.
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1) You are going to start a website (or have already done so?)
2) It will be focused on player advocacy
3) You will be accepting (or have accepted?) advertising from reputable online casinos
4) You do not see any conflict of interest in yourself or others doing this
I thought I was clear enough. Anyway:
1) Work In Progress. Not ready by a long way. You want a link? Ask Bryan. However, I ask that noone post it on the boards, for the reason just given. Want to make an issue of that? Go ahead, but respect my wishes nonetheless.
2) Not "focussed". In fact, that was never really the idea. However, I figure, given my inclinations, it would ultimately go that way.
3) Yes.
4) I thought I rammed that one home good and hard above! Yes, of course I f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Simmo! at February 13, 2006, 9:47 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by scrollock
BET 365 "why should we choose your software ?"
PLAYTECH "we wont force to you pay any player you dont want to"
after playtech disputes was set up
BET365 "you promised us we wouldn't be forced to pay any player we didnt want to"
PLAYTECH "dont worry, the disputes board is for image sake after pressure from certain watchdogs, any complaints we recieve we will return back to you"
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| Posted by: spearmaster at February 13, 2006, 8:27 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by elscrabinda
So do you have no involvement in got2bet anymore Spear?
I guess its unfair then to ask you to explain the promoting on that site of the Del Rio group and even Prestige and Playgate (who are in a whole different league of awfulness)
Spearmaster is a free man. I am no longer involved in Got2Bet, which is now 100% owned and operated by Gaming Corp. All advertising on the site is managed by them, and they receive 100% of the income.
I think you all know my past - if I didn't like and trust a casino, it wouldn't be allowed to advertise on Got2Bet (with rare exceptions through referral by someone else I knew, none of which caused any problems during their tenure on the site).
It was ery tough to toe the line and turn away money (and yes, Caruso, I considered it many a time), but in the end Got2Bet and its reputation were more important to me than any advertising funds being dangled in front of me.
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| Posted by: scrollock at February 13, 2006, 7:20 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
anyway gettiong back onto the topic of these "honest" playtech being blameless, as i have already pointed out they are not totally blameless as they are supporting a morally corrupt organization (playtech) which in turn through its provision of software to rogue casinos is resulting in innocent players being out of pocket.
another thing i would like to point out regarding these "honest" playtech, is that from what i gather is that this playtech disputes is a relativly new thing, so is that the reason why these companies joined playtech in the first place? as at the time of joining there wasn't a playtech disputes, i.e. the fact the playtech wouldnt force them to pay up a player if they didnt want to, the attraction that helped in their decision to choose playetch ?
if it wasnt, it is certainly something they knew about when making the decison, also as it seems that the ast majority of these "honest" playtechs are UK based organizations, then they all k... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jetset at February 13, 2006, 6:59 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
The Smacker says: "I remember when players' issues came before defending casinos at this site."
No - you're wrong there The Smacker - this site has always been about what is fair, reasonable and balanced for all . That is why it is so respected and successful.
Caruso - you took me around the houses a bit with that somewhat convoluted response (nice personal *commercial* in there too btw!), so I'll summarise, if I may:
1) You are going to start a website (or have already done so?)
2) It will be focused on player advocacy
3) You will be accepting (or have accepted?) advertising from reputable online casinos
4) You do not see any conflict of interest in yourself or others doing this
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| Posted by: elscrabinda at February 13, 2006, 6:40 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
So do you have no involvement in got2bet anymore Spear?
I guess its unfair then to ask you to explain the promoting on that site of the Del Rio group and even Prestige and Playgate (who are in a whole different league of awfulness)
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| Posted by: spearmaster at February 13, 2006, 5:56 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
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Unfortunately, no industry suit will ever look at me as one of the boys, because I am in essence a player - and it is NOT possible to be both player and webmaster.
I suppose you already knew I would react to this.
Meister is a player and a webmaster. I am a player and was a webmaster (well, still am, but not in quite the same sense).
You may think it is not possible to be both - but we have done both successfully. And strangely enough, Meister used to beat the hell out of my affiliate accounts to boot.
I think what you may not understand is that it is not possible to be a "boy" WITHOUT being a player to begin with - for it is us "boys" that understand the mentality of the gambler because we too are gamblers.
Like it or not, believe it or not, your choice. But I dare say that, if anything, we are more player-oriented than business-oriented.
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| Posted by: amandajm at February 13, 2006, 4:46 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Smacker. I see you want to watch the watchdog here.
I used to be fairly ehement that responsible webbers should not promote turd. It became unfair, for the webbers that had the balls to post got chastised, while the other 3 million got away scott free. In the end, I built my own blog and have my boycott there. You can't by rights call for a boycott until you make the first move a real one imo.
Don't take content without linking the source. Thereby referencing your point, in my case - however misguided apparently lol. Also ask for permission where appropriate.
Take as much care as you have about you to not get the site you are posting on of others, into a position where they can lose their site in a court of law. Do that with your own site and chattels.
Then you can watch the watchdog.
One day you'll get quoted as proof that the site can accept opposing iews. Bryan has earned that right, for I read nion every word written and knows i'll publicise wha... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at February 13, 2006, 4:31 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
I am still here - clinging on by the proverbial fingernails!
Jetset, some comments:
"Caruso, the news that you are about to launch your own (presumably player advocate?) site helps me to understand your positioning moves here and at WOL. Nevertheless, I wish you good luck"
I should point out that everything I have done recently which is perceived as "positioning", or otherwise politically...corrupt? - is consistent with everything I have ever done. At my first ICE, I buttonholed Playtech over the OCA "fair RNG" issue; at last year's ICE I buttonholed the iGGBA about Gambling Federation's membership; I have been a long-standing critic of eCOGRA (and stated at WOL that I really should have met up with them there and then, hence the suggestion that I DO so do, and the subsequent developments), and called them to task back then over the Lake Palace case, as I have with the current Bella Vegas one; all these events happened before I entertained a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at February 13, 2006, 3:29 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by thesmacker
Good job averting the issue guys!!. This forum more and more gets the feel of a Casino backed operation.
I remeber when players issues came before defending casinos at this site. Funny how things change as they get more popular. This will be my last post at this site now that it is increasingly becoming a site for web portal owners to defend casinos instead of looking after the rights of players.
BTW-If you didnt notice, I offer a way to bonus hunt those 2 aforementioned casinos and a sure fire way to get paid in doing so. Not exactly helping the casinos out. Unlike this site which promotes slot play and true gambling-a sure fire way to lose your life savings-bravo-your performing a real service for players!!
I have helped numerous players get their money from casinos trying to ROB and STEAL-I know you have here at this site on a larger scale as well, and for that I commend you.
However I notice now that e... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: thesmacker at February 13, 2006, 3:03 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Good job averting the issue guys!!. This forum more and more gets the feel of a Casino backed operation.
I remeber when players issues came before defending casinos at this site. Funny how things change as they get more popular. This will be my last post at this site now that it is increasingly becoming a site for web portal owners to defend casinos instead of looking after the rights of players.
BTW-If you didnt notice, I offer a way to bonus hunt those 2 aforementioned casinos and a sure fire way to get paid in doing so. Not exactly helping the casinos out. Unlike this site which promotes slot play and true gambling-a sure fire way to lose your life savings-bravo-your performing a real service for players!!
I have helped numerous players get their money from casinos trying to ROB and STEAL-I know you have here at this site on a larger scale as well, and for that I commend you.
However I notice now that ever player complaint is followed by some severe cynicis... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jetset at February 13, 2006, 6:56 am | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
LMAO, Bryan - was The Smacker not also the guy/girl that the webmaster at Real-casinos busted here for plagiarising his site?
Whatever - Caruso, the news that you are about to launch your own (presumably player advocate?) site helps me to understand your positioning moves here and at WOL. Nevertheless, I wish you good luck, because if you fairly assist players with legitimate grievances and publicise enues best avoided it will make a more positive contribution than proposing general boycotts that hurt good and bad alike.
You have certainly built up the knowledge and experience necessary to succeed on sites like this.
However, I do not think I will be accepting your invitation to isit. Your olatility, tendency to abuse and penchant for jumping in at the extreme end of issues holds no appeal for me, although your style clearly has some support and you will no doubt develop a following of like-minded posters.
I am curious about one thing. Given your previous posi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: scrollock at February 12, 2006, 9:08 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I just noticed that thesmacker is an affiliate of both Golden Palace casino and Europa casino - two Playtech casinos that have been mentioned a number of times in this forum. What's up with that and the statement you made?
a troll ?
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at February 12, 2006, 8:56 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by thesmacker
...I just wanted to bring to light that the majority of Playtech casino groups are rogue, and that an all out roguing is the only way to wake the minority "good" casinos into action...
I just noticed that thesmacker is an affiliate of both Golden Palace casino and Europa casino - two Playtech casinos that have been mentioned a number of times in this forum. What's up with that and the statement you made?
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| Posted by: caruso at February 12, 2006, 8:40 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Oh yes...
Quote: Originally Posted by jetset
Perhaps you should contribute in a practical sense too by starting your own portal and newsletter and publishing warnings on a sustained basis. Or you could even champion a boycott and get a true and exclusive feel for how many would support it and how effective it would really be.
Work In Progress. Slow, because I am hopeless at anything net-related which isn't either gambling or opining.
When it ceases to be Work In Progress, you will be a welcome isitor.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at February 12, 2006, 8:07 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
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I suggested that webmasters should boycott promoting these casinos - it had nothing to do with players.
CM, that shouldn't even have to be classified as a boycott, that is just common sense. One of my biggest beefs for a couple of years now has always been unscrupulous and uninformed webmasters who promote shady establishments just to try and get some quick signups and maybe make some quick cash. This does nothing but hurt everyone in the long run. The webmaster ruins his reputation (if he/she ever had one), the player gets screwed...and inevitably a forum such as this one or WinnerOnline ends up with a shitload of complaints re: free bonuses or signup bonuses at one of these clip joints. It all starts with the webmasters. I couldn't agree more.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at February 12, 2006, 7:50 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by spearmaster
As far as I know, he has never claimed this. We have always operated under the presumption that forum readership is no more than 1-1.5% of online gamblers.
I think I may have mentioned 7% or so. This is a basic guessimate since this has never been quantified - and if this would be attempted, how would it be done?
As administrator of this board, I am aware of its traffic and can do comparative analyzations with other popular boards - and I am aware of its readership as well.
That could be an interesting thread - and I'll leave it at that.
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| Posted by: amandajm at February 12, 2006, 6:00 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
Okay, this is getting a bit whacked out of shape, and I think I need to clarify something because what I stated has been taken completely out of context.
This boycott statement was made on a private board at GPWA and this addressed my overwhelming concern and frustration over a crapload of serious player complaints coming from RTG casinos - one of these was Caruso's BTW. I suggested that webmasters should boycott promoting these casinos - it had nothing to do with players. This suggestion was out there for about fifteen minutes before it was shot down - and at that moment I reconsidered and agreed that it wasn't a good idea. So I stated that webmasters should not be promoting the casinos that were causing these problems - and left it at that. You know the rest of the story.
I never took you out of context on purpose.
Those boog payout reports were up last I looked. That's enough for me.
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| Posted by: spearmaster at February 12, 2006, 3:42 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
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Isn't it generally accepted that forum readership is somewhere between ten and fifteen percent of the overall playing public? That's the figure Bryan has always quoted; ask him, not me.
As far as I know, he has never claimed this. We have always operated under the presumption that forum readership is no more than 1-1.5% of online gamblers.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at February 12, 2006, 3:06 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
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Remember that, albeit a long time ago and in different circumstances, it was the "boycott" line that Bryan proposed against RTG.
Okay, this is getting a bit whacked out of shape, and I think I need to clarify something because what I stated has been taken completely out of context.
This boycott statement was made on a private board at GPWA and this addressed my overwhelming concern and frustration over a crapload of serious player complaints coming from RTG casinos - one of these was Caruso's BTW. I suggested that webmasters should boycott promoting these casinos - it had nothing to do with players. This suggestion was out there for about fifteen minutes before it was shot down - and at that moment I reconsidered and agreed that it wasn't a good idea. So I stated that webmasters should not be promoting the casinos that were causing these problems - and left it at that. You know the rest of the story.
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| Posted by: caruso at February 12, 2006, 2:10 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Of course I read your post. It regarded spreading the word about bad outfits.
Equally of course, per se this is a alid option, tried and tested - I should know that as well as anybody: Angelciti? Cirrus? In the circumstances, it's alue may be limited. You say that Playtech is litigious; doesn't surprise me at all but FTR I had no idea - I've not heard of Playtech threatening legal action against anyone. Add to that Bryan's concerns about contentious language, and my guess is that all you will achieve is a somewhat watered-down ersion of what really needs saying. That is of course better than nothing, but I doubt it will achieve the desired result. I certainly doubt it will put much pressure on Playtech. I am entitled to "doubt", and I am entitled to be "wrong"; you are also so entitled.
The point about eCOGRA - which I thought was clear enough - was that, back then, you called me to task to offer solutions, and I am now doing the same - our roles are reversed. I... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jetset at February 12, 2006, 6:41 am | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Jeez, Caruso - you are truly the most frustrating poster. I sometimes wonder if you even read other people's posts before thrashing your keyboard.
There are alternatives - you simply have not considered these over your own extreme iews. I included them in my post a page back if you had bothered to read it before seizing on the well known litigious nature of Playtech to explode once again.
And I posed legitimate questions that should be thought through before anything as contentious and divisive as a boycott is proposed. And talking about going off topic, eCOGRA has stuff-all to do with the issue of Playtech being boycotted.
My comment about warning and protecting newbies stands, and is completely alid. It builds on your "10 percent" scenario and in no way diminishes that - what is your source for that oft-repeated statistic btw?
I am the last person to doubt the power of this forum, or I would not still be a member after several years here, but sprea... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at February 11, 2006, 5:50 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Okay, I'm putting my foot - next time it's the iron fist:
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
But of course, we know this isn't going to happen, becasuse we mustn't upset the handful of "honest" Playtech casinos, and we can't say "stealing" when they're stealing or call them "crooks" when they're "crooks", because we can't risk upsetting Playtech.
The next time I need to step in to tell people to mellow out, I'm locking this thread and giving whomever an extended holiday.
We've been through this before, rule 1.6 - read this carefully:
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1.6 - No "Libelous" Posts. Do not make posts that could be considered libelous, defamatory, or posting merely to cause harm to another's business. Opinions are expected, but do not attack others with accusations of criminal activity unless this has been proven in a court of law.
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| Posted by: thesmacker at February 11, 2006, 5:22 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
Great list, wrong thread.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...mare-list.html
I also got some more information in my snail mail today, and was going to update that list anyway. I will juggle your post into it.
In fact, we are getting a bit general in a thread related to a specific issue.
I was just getting caught up in the first few pages of this thread and the Playtech roguing issue. I just wanted to bring to light that the majority of Playtech casino groups are rogue, and that an all out roguing is the only way to wake the minority "good" casinos into action.
Perhaps some of you have heard of a thing called Democracy, within that system often times the minority in such systems may have to suffer inorder to create the greatest amount of quality of life for the greatest number of people. If we look at this case in those terms I would say that in order to create the optimum scenario within... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at February 11, 2006, 5:10 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Great list, wrong thread.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...mare-list.html
I also got some more information in my snail mail today, and was going to update that list anyway. I will juggle your post into it.
In fact, we are getting a bit general in a thread related to a specific issue.
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| Posted by: thesmacker at February 11, 2006, 5:04 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
How I see it:
Good Casinos:
Sunny Group
Mapau
Casino fortune
Miami Beach
Gold Gate
Mainstreet
Las Vegas USA
Vegas Casino Online
Sun Palace
Twin Aces
slots.com
Diamond Deal
Kiwi Group
Kiwi
fast win
Gaming Pro
City Club
Race Track
Independent
Brandy
Action Online
Bet Casino
SIA
Mega Sport
tote sport
bet 365
bet fred
Bad Casinos:
Black Widow Group
Black Widow
Grand Banks
Sterling House
Casino Partners
Casino Tropez
Vegas Red
Europa
hammers
Del Rio
ICC
USA Casino
New York Casinos
Empire Online
Joyland
Club Dice
monaco gold
Carnival
IOG
Casino King
Magic Box
Swiss
50 stars
Casino Las Vegas
Prestige Gaming
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| Posted by: caruso at February 11, 2006, 4:46 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jetset
If we could find more ways of reaching the newbie just before he or she entures online, or as soon as possible thereafter we would be well on the road to creating real and ery powerful consumer awareness and influence.
There is plenty of "consumer awareness and influence" right here, as you intimated in your suggestion that Playtech will start to get litigious - which somewhat contradicts your suggestion that the "forum ten percent" really doesn't cut. On the one hand, warn people; on the other hand, bear in mind that Playtech will sue you if you tell the truth. Bit of a non-starter, wouldn't you say?
What happens if I post a bunch of threads along the lines of "Warning: do not play at Swiss Casino" - how long you figure they'll stand?
The way you get the message out, Jetset, is to warn people at WOL, Meister and so on, what's happening; to tell people that these Playtech casinos are stealing... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jetset at February 11, 2006, 2:45 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Paul, you have zero'd in on one of the major aspects of the crooked casino problem right there - these bad eggs can make profits as long as they can keep pulling in *new blood* newbie gamblers who have not yet learned to research and become members of sites like this to protect themselves.
If we could find more ways of reaching the newbie just before he or she entures online, or as soon as possible thereafter we would be well on the road to creating real and ery powerful consumer awareness and influence.
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| Posted by: paul02085 at February 11, 2006, 1:54 pm | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Boycott or no boycott, the main thing is for new players to know that before they deposit money into a Playtech casino (or RTG also for that matter), they should be warned that there is a good chance they could run into problems trying to get their money out. Especially if they took a bonus.
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| Posted by: Vesuvio at February 11, 2006, 9:52 am | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by jetset
3) What do you do about those who will not join your boycott or break ranks for one reason or another? And how do you know who is or isn't supporting the boycott?
The problem with a boycott, surely, is that the majority of knowledgeable casino players who might support it are bonus hunters - and therefore it would save the casinos in question money
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| Posted by: jetset at February 11, 2006, 9:28 am | | Topic: Tons is confiscated by Europa casino and Tropez Forum: Casino Meister |
I think there is already a ery iable alternative on the table that is also fair, and it has been suggested here by most of those opposed to the indiscriminate nature of a boycott:
Deny the rogues your individual business and judge casino ownership groups on merit. Warn others about offending casinos.
It's easy to apply, requires no organisation, leaders or publicity and doesn't involve distasteful excuses for injuring the innocent like "for the greater good!"
Dirk, I would like to examine this comment: "The problem is we have had many good and reputable Playtech groups turn to rogue behaviour recently, so how do you know others wont follow? At Crypto and MG you know this isn't going to happen and even RTG to a lesser extent, but with Playtech you know it could easily and the software provider wouldn't care less."
Are we going to make judgements against good Playtech operations on the basis of what they might do in the future? Sorry, I don't... | | Read Entire Entry |
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