| Posted by: tencardcharlie at September 29, 2006, 2:10 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
I had a feeling this was the case when that "friend", using the same computer showed up.
Just look at how their posts are written. Very similar - none of them uses capitals for example. Unusually clumsy.
People like these guys hurts not only the industry, but also all the players with legitimate complaints. Make sure to invoice both nikest and his friends for this
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at September 28, 2006, 9:25 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Okay, what a friggin' waste of time.
My apologies for the forum members for letting this slip by. Nikest27 was banned from this forum a few months ago for repeatedly iolating rule 1.1 - and he was just too annoying. How he was allowed to sign up again as Nikest is beyond me, but I slipped up - it's the same guy.
Now we have sumerafa - who's he? Well, I believe it's the same guy as well. Friend's computer? C'mon, give us a break.
Supporting evidence:
Nikest27's email address is the same for the registrant for GAMBLERSSPOT.COM
sumerafa is posting ads for GAMBLERSSPOT.COM at
free $100 in yr nettelller!! - Online Casino Gambling Forum
Nikest's sig includes GAMBLERSSPOT.COM
Email addresses all have similar combination of names etc.
What's funny is that this dweeb complains about casinos that he is promoting. Before it was 888.com - now it's William Hill. What an a-hole.
Bye fraudster.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at September 28, 2006, 8:08 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by sumerafa
hi casinomeister!
are you going to look into my pab, regarding my winnings and also willhill not refunding my deposit back?
thanx
I better not be wasting my time here. WH already told me that one of the posters in my forum has been identified of having 10 accounts on the same computer. Sumerafa/Nickest is confusing me and everyone else with posting from his "friends" computer. If you have committed fraud ia Casinomeister (submitting bogus PABs, etc.), you are legally bound to pay 500 Euro for my time and you'll be invoiced - don't think I can't get your home address.
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| Posted by: frufrugirl at September 26, 2006, 11:31 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by dd99
Really ? I thought the casino was going to tell you when you can withdraw !
You can follow most of the casino rules, except the most important one: "If the casino decides you may be abusing the bonus [that is, playing too little/playing intelligently/have played the bonus at a partner/played too quickly/got a funny name/] the casino will take away the bonus."
Sorry, I refuse to believe that William Hill locked out a player just because they won more than they put in. If they did that to all players they would be out of business in a week. I can only assume there is something more to this case that we do not know about...
I agree, about William Hill, I was refering to some members that seem to think you have to leave a certain amount in your account after you play a bonus, or leave it there for a certain period of time or not play all the groups bonus's (even when it's allowed)to be "fair" with the casino. The ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sumerafa at September 26, 2006, 6:59 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
hi casinomeister!
are you going to look into my pab, regarding my winnings and also willhill not refunding my deposit back?
thanx
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| Posted by: dd99 at September 25, 2006, 1:04 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by frufrugirl
Well, we are back to "if you use the bonuses offered and meet the conditions given, you are a bonus whore." Only bad casinos will lock you out if you win more than you put in. Only bad casinos will offer you bonues over and over then tell you buh-bye. If I follow the rules, and I repeat, follow all the casino rules, NOBODY is going to tell me when I can withdraw!
Really ? I thought the casino was going to tell you when you can withdraw !
You can follow most of the casino rules, except the most important one: "If the casino decides you may be abusing the bonus [that is, playing too little/playing intelligently/have played the bonus at a partner/played too quickly/got a funny name/] the casino will take away the bonus."
Sorry, I refuse to believe that William Hill locked out a player just because they won more than they put in. If they did that to all players they would be out of business in a week. I can ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: frufrugirl at September 24, 2006, 5:17 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Well, we are back to "if you use the bonuses offered and meet the conditions given, you are a bonus whore." Only bad casinos will lock you out if you win more than you put in. Only bad casinos will offer you bonues over and over then tell you buh-bye. If I follow the rules, and I repeat, follow all the casino rules, NOBODY is going to tell me when I can withdraw!
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| Posted by: dd99 at September 23, 2006, 9:58 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by soflat
Signing up for multiple accounts at a casino is abuse.
Signing up for multiple casinos within a group is not, regardless of timespan.
Excellent. So in the online casino group you open up (unless you already own one :-) it won't be abuse.
Now go to CR group and convince them.
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| Posted by: soflat at September 22, 2006, 8:34 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by happygobrokey
ok but what if it is the 2nd,3rd,4th time someone has accepted the casino's good will from the same ip? or if someone accepts the good will gesture from all the sister casinos in a short span of time? clearly patterns of abuse, no?
Signing up for multiple accounts at a casino is abuse.
Signing up for multiple casinos within a group is not, regardless of timespan.
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at September 22, 2006, 8:23 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
ok but what if it is the 2nd,3rd,4th time someone has accepted the casino's good will from the same ip? or if someone accepts the good will gesture from all the sister casinos in a short span of time? clearly patterns of abuse, no?
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| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at September 22, 2006, 2:42 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
I agree totally with sumerafa. A player necessarily will have to abuse "the casinos "good will" (as they like to call it) more once to be called a bonus whore.
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| Posted by: sumerafa at September 21, 2006, 6:19 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by dd99
So you claim that a new player at a casino cannot possibly be a bonus whore... Because bonus whores must play a minimum of X months to be considered a whore, or what ??
I dont understand when casino clearly states that IN THE INTEREST OF FAIR GAMING..you need to wager x amount before making any withdrawl. so whenever a player fullfills wr , he has followed the term and conditions. personally myself, after fullfilling wr , if i am having a good experience, then i would continue playing, otherwise i will just cashout.and thats should not be a prb. or else the casino should add 1 more term stating that
though you need to wager x amount before making any withdrawl, but if you dont want to risk your winnings , make sure that you wager 3x amount.
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| Posted by: dd99 at September 21, 2006, 6:11 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Leon_Lilhauge
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@dd99: Man this is so ridiculous! If a player signs up at the casino, gets the new player bonus, fulfills the wager requirement playing only allowed games, what has he done wrong?? In my opinion, it is up to the casino to adjust their wager requrements so that it is fair for them and for the player. With a wager of 1600 for a 80$ you might as well loose the bonus and your own money. If a player gets the monthly bonus of 40$ again and again, month after month without ever risiking his own money it would only be fair to exclude the player from getting more bonuses in the future. But talking about being a bonuswhore when you sign up at the casino as a new player is totally nonsense ....
So you claim that a new player at a casino cannot possibly be a bonus whore... Because bonus whores must play a minimum of X months to be considered a whore, or what ??
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| Posted by: sumerafa at September 21, 2006, 5:05 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
i havent heard anything from wh as they have refused to refund my deposit.thats not rogued activity actually a criminal activity and i havent heard anything from bryan reagarding my PAB. at the end if i dont get my winnings and even my deposit back, but just blacklisting this casino will release my anger a lil bit.
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at September 21, 2006, 6:59 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
if you do the bonuses no-risk time after time, imo you are abusing the privilege. since they know you're going to bail if you bust the bonus funds, they are not really to blame for witholding 1x the bonus amount given each month and barring you.
not meaning anyone in particular, but playing no-risk month after month is not honest play and subject to question. take it like a man and bust your funds. one day you'll hit a 4 digit win from wh and they won't confiscate if you wagered and busted your own money at least once or twice. it's 40 bucks/25 pounds, big effin deal in the grand scheme. =P
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| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at September 20, 2006, 3:08 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
If the guy was blatantly in-your-face playing minimum WR and squeezing the max out of the bonus, I would expect them to react "unfriendly" - if I were giving away "free money" I would be touchy as well....
If you blatantly use the bonus (ie bonuswhore) I think you should expect to get shafted. Not refunding the deposit ? This isn't a bank, and neither is it a B&M casino or betting shop.
@dd99: Man this is so ridiculous! If a player signs up at the casino, gets the new player bonus, fulfills the wager requirement playing only allowed games, what has he done wrong?? In my opinion, it is up to the casino to adjust their wager requrements so that it is fair for them and for the player. With a wager of 1600 for a 80$ you might as well loose the bonus and your own money. If a player gets the monthly bonus of 40$ again and again, month after month without ever risiking his own money it would only be fair to exclude the player from getting more bonuses in the future... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tennis_balls at September 20, 2006, 9:00 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by chuchu59
Unless there is fraud on the player's part, the deposit should be returned. Similar to a chargeback by a player, casinos' confiscating deposits is an absolute no-no in the online gambling world.
the only "player" i've seen on this thread making a claim that his deposit wasn't returned is "nikest". Meanwhile, nikest continues to send new players to WillHill ia his website so how can you take this guy seriously?
i searched nikest here and it brought up another former poster "nikest27" who was banned. could just be a coincidence...
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at September 20, 2006, 6:37 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Unless there is fraud on the player's part, the deposit should be returned. Similar to a chargeback by a player, casinos' confiscating deposits is an absolute no-no in the online gambling world.
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| Posted by: dd99 at September 19, 2006, 4:42 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by henryVIII
No, its not relevant.
So, whoever repeats his point of iew most times wins ? :-)
The guy should try and get his money back any way possible, and ia the forum/PAB is great (I know I would if it ever happened to me). BUT it is naive at best to keep saying "that's not fair", "they can't do that", and so on.
Do you really think the casinos give a sod what's fair or not ? The casino will do what they consider to be in their best interest. If the guy was blatantly in-your-face playing minimum WR and squeezing the max out of the bonus, I would expect them to react "unfriendly" - if I were giving away "free money" I would be touchy as well....
However, if this thread creates enough momentum (which I suppose I am contributing to..) they may decide they acted stupidly - i.e. this decision cost them more money in terms of lost business than it saved in terms of keeping away bonus... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: henryVIII at September 19, 2006, 12:31 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by dd99
Actually, it's ery relevant.
William Hill (same as all the others) is not in this business to lose money. The bonuses are intended to draw us in and lose our money - that's why they have all those aguely worded phrases in their T&Cs.
If you blatantly use the bonus (ie bonuswhore) I think you should expect to get shafted. Not refunding the deposit ? This isn't a bank, and neither is it a B&M casino or betting shop. WH want to stain their reputation ? May be bad business at the end of day (depending on who reads these posts), but that's up to them. Caveat Emptor.
No, its not relevant.
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| Posted by: dd99 at September 19, 2006, 8:47 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by winbig
That's totally irrelevant in the case of them not refunding the player's deposit.
Actually, it's ery relevant.
William Hill (same as all the others) is not in this business to lose money. The bonuses are intended to draw us in and lose our money - that's why they have all those aguely worded phrases in their T&Cs.
If you blatantly use the bonus (ie bonuswhore) I think you should expect to get shafted. Not refunding the deposit ? This isn't a bank, and neither is it a B&M casino or betting shop. WH want to stain their reputation ? May be bad business at the end of day (depending on who reads these posts), but that's up to them. Caveat Emptor.
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| Posted by: winbig at September 14, 2006, 9:23 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by dd99
Is it possible that you guys were obviously in there for the bonus ?
ie either now or in the past did you deposit, withdraw the deposit and play only the bonus ? Did you play BJ only ? Did you fulfill the WR and not play beyond it at all ?
Just wondering...
D.
That's totally irrelevant in the case of them not refunding the player's deposit.
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| Posted by: dd99 at September 14, 2006, 3:20 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Is it possible that you guys were obviously in there for the bonus ?
ie either now or in the past did you deposit, withdraw the deposit and play only the bonus ? Did you play BJ only ? Did you fulfill the WR and not play beyond it at all ?
Just wondering...
D.
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| Posted by: sumerafa at September 14, 2006, 3:45 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
i contacted neteller to report about the fraud of willhill. explained them that i made a deposit there, won there. will closed my account and refused to pay my winnings and even deposit, and i got this reply from them
Dear Mrs. Faheem,
We have received a response from the merchant concerning the inquiry we had sent to their site on your behalf. The merchant has informed NETELLER that your withdrawal was not processed because your account there has been closed.
Any such action taken in relation to an account held at their site would be the merchant's decision, made at their discretion. NETELLER does not own or operate merchant sites, and does not hold authority or jurisdiction over their policies or procedures. We apologize for any inconvenience, however it will be necessary for you to contact the merchant directly with any questions or concerns you may have concerning your account with their site.
Regards,
Tyler
Public Relations
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| Posted by: tennis_balls at September 13, 2006, 6:50 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by sumerafa
nikest is just my friend. and i have PAB through my casinomeister login and my email address. thanx
perhaps you need to PAB to your friend nikest as he continues to promote William Hill on his site?
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| Posted by: sumerafa at September 13, 2006, 6:01 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by chuchu59
Are you using 2 different handles to denounce the same casino? This wont help things and would only weaken your case.
it was just an honest mistake.at that time i were not member of casinomeister site. but then i registerd an account through my friends help at casinomeister. and i sterted a thread but later i realized that the thread was posted under my friends login. that was purely an honest mistake. but then i PAB THROUGH my account and email address. nikest is just my friend. and i have PAB through my casinomeister login and my email address. thanx
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at September 13, 2006, 5:06 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by sumerafa
sorry for the confusion. i have sent a private message. hopefully it will clear the confusion.
Are you using 2 different handles to denounce the same casino? This wont help things and would only weaken your case.
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| Posted by: sumerafa at September 13, 2006, 12:20 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I don't have any PABs from you except from 2005 concerning Crystal Palace.
sorry for the confusion. i have sent a private message. hopefully it will clear the confusion.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at September 12, 2006, 11:48 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Looks like they are in the dock already. The E-mail to the player is not an accusation of fraud. If it were fraud, it would surely have been picked up with previous withdrawals.
It looks like a case of being a good advantage player, coupled with making withdrawals when ahead.
This is beside the point, as the WillHill bonus scheme does not rely on the player redepositing for the bonus. Every time the casino is closed funds go back to the sportsbook account. Every time the casino is launched, the funds go to the casino, and if a monthly bonus is available it is awarded automatically.
Withdrawals are from the sportbook, but unearned bonus is not available.
As well as advantage play, it is possible to deposit, claim the bonus, close the casino and use the deposit in the sportsbook. The bonus alone can be used to play, and has a +EV long term for the patient BJ player. It's not fraud, it's advantage play, and all that should be done is disable the player from receiving any future mo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at September 12, 2006, 11:26 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by nikest
thats really frustrating.i pab with bryan, but no response from him.
emailed so many times wh , but they are just pasting there set mails and refusing to pay my winnings and even refusing to pay back my deposit.thats a robbery.is there any way to get my money from wh?
I don't have any PABs from you except from 2005 concerning Crystal Palace.
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| Posted by: nikest at September 12, 2006, 11:12 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
thats really frustrating.i pab with bryan, but no response from him.
emailed so many times wh , but they are just pasting there set mails and refusing to pay my winnings and even refusing to pay back my deposit.thats a robbery.is there any way to get my money from wh?
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| Posted by: paul02085 at August 28, 2006, 5:46 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by mitch
Paul
Will Hill are a top notch outfit with the backing of a major PLC and you can be 100% certain that the denial of winnings is not due to the fact someone is ahead overall.
They have obviously detected what they think is a 'fraudulent attack' on the casino and as the alleged perpetrator has already withdrawn more than his original deposit are refusing to pay him any more funds. If this 'fraudulent attack' is no more than using the bonuses to their maximum advantage within their T&Cs then it would be a serious blot on this casinos reputation.
Mitch
Mitch, I am certainly aware that WH is a quality casino (excluding customer service ). That is why i seemed amazed they would do what poster is accusing them of with no explanation other than what they gave.
If they think he is staging a "fradulent attack" they should explain exactly what that is.
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| Posted by: Dio at August 28, 2006, 2:21 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Heh, I wonder when they will classify me as a "fraudulent attacker" then? I've played the monthly bonus in Will Hill every month for a year now, and I'm at least $1,000 up in total
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| Posted by: nikest at August 27, 2006, 2:38 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by mitch
Paul
Will Hill are a top notch outfit with the backing of a major PLC and you can be 100% certain that the denial of winnings is not due to the fact someone is ahead overall.
They have obviously detected what they think is a 'fraudulent attack' on the casino and as the alleged perpetrator has already withdrawn more than his original deposit are refusing to pay him any more funds. If this 'fraudulent attack' is no more than using the bonuses to their maximum advantage within their T&Cs then it would be a serious blot on this casinos reputation.
Mitch
ok now so there is 1 more clause of fraudlent attack on casinos..well.. wat i did was just played casino and a bonus was automatically added to my account and manage to win 2-3 months and made a withdrawl. i didnt know that i have to loose as well to be a legimate customer.
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| Posted by: mitch at August 26, 2006, 11:24 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by paul02085
Are they saying you deposited, they wont give you the bonus and they wont give you your deposit back because in the past over all you are ahead of them??? Is that what they are saying??
Paul
Will Hill are a top notch outfit with the backing of a major PLC and you can be 100% certain that the denial of winnings is not due to the fact someone is ahead overall.
They have obviously detected what they think is a 'fraudulent attack' on the casino and as the alleged perpetrator has already withdrawn more than his original deposit are refusing to pay him any more funds. If this 'fraudulent attack' is no more than using the bonuses to their maximum advantage within their T&Cs then it would be a serious blot on this casinos reputation.
Mitch
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| Posted by: nikest at August 26, 2006, 3:31 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by paul02085
You have got to be kidding me. This is grounds for being rogued. Are they saying you deposited, they wont give you the bonus and they wont give you your deposit back because in the past over all you are ahead of them??? Is that what they are saying?? If it is, they are simply stealing. That is so so wrong. I hope i am misunderstanding this.
yes i am not lying.as it is clearly stated in there email..
As explained in our previous e-mail, you have been found to have been abusing our bonus scheme in the casino. As you have in fact withdrawn more that you have deposited to your account, you will not receive any further funds from William Hill.
and now they are not refunding my deposit back cos my withdrawls are more than my deposit.thats fraud, i have emailed bryan and neteller. nothing heard from bryan and neteller is saying that they cant do nothing against merchants decision.so looks like any1 has a merchant account with netel... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: paul02085 at August 25, 2006, 8:30 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by nikest
finally they responded me after 2 weeks and now they are fefusing to refund my deposit as well. below is there email
Thank you for your e-mail.
As explained in our previous e-mail, you have been found to have been abusing our bonus scheme in the casino. As you have in fact withdrawn more that you have deposited to your account, you will not receive any further funds from William Hill.
As per our Terms and Conditions, we reserve the right to withhold any bonus and winnings from it: The complete ruling states
"The Casino and/or its authorised agent reserve the right to review transaction records and logs, from time to time, for any reason whatsoever. If, upon such review, it appears that end users or any one or combination of them are participating in strategies which the Casino and/or its authorised agent in their sole discretion deem to be abusive, the Casino and/or its authorised agent reserve the ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: djhearts at August 25, 2006, 5:06 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by chuchu59
Did they give you any reason for confiscating your winnings?
Yes, their 2 points are alid and make sense but they created a win-win situation for themselves. In my case, the bonus should not have been awarded before I started playing probably to avoid any problems on a big win. After I deal with this privately with Bryan, maybe I will cut and paste emails so you can understand fully both sides of the story.
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| Posted by: nafanny29 at August 25, 2006, 12:12 pm | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
If indeed Hills are in the wrong here it is ery worrying. They are one of THE biggest UK bookies and are on almost every highstreet. There are 3 branches here in Kilburn NW London within a half a mile of each other.
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at August 25, 2006, 2:55 am | | Topic: willlhill closed my acc Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by djhearts
Nikest,
Well I got my measley $40 back but not thousands in winnings. I'm sure Bryan will get back to you are your PAB and give you a better contact email and #. Well at least your not getting screwed out of thousands in winnings like me. William Hillis sticking to their judgement and not budging. Before I post details on a public forum, I will go over this with Bryan.
Did they give you any reason for confiscating your winnings?
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