| Posted by: hvalen74 at October 25, 2006, 9:33 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Well I think you wont get the money since it is clearly stated in the terms that you cant use the same computer for more than one bonus.
I helped one of my friends opening an account once at intercasino, and eventhough my friend did not play from my computer our account was linked because I helped him open the account from my computer,so if I got a bonus one month he could not get it, unless he called them and the would credit it personally. But inter did not lock my account or anything So great custemer service from Intercasino.
As for going for bonuses well offcourse we are attracted to some free money eventhough in many cases arent that easy to get hold of but it is possible even for us danes
But I still think it is ery unfair that danes in many cases have to wager more or even is banned from playing with bonusses, I dont have a problem however that casino share informartion if there are abusers ( I guess they are in all countries not only Denmark).
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| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at October 14, 2006, 3:38 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
I have written William Hill to look into this with a link to this thread, but they have not sent any single reply to my last four emails. I think they have just decided to ignore me completely, and it seems that my only chance is through this forum.....
@Casinomeister: Have you heard from them or do they ignore you as well?
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at October 5, 2006, 4:12 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Leon_Lilhauge
@Casinomeister:
Sorry if I am a pain in the ass about writing again. I know that you probably have a lot for things to take care of but I have still not heard either from you or from the casino.
I tried to send you a private message as well, but I dont know if it worked.....Is something new up with William Hill or will they just be allowed to steal the 289$ from me without consequences?
Sorry, I'm still waiting word from them. As soon as I hear something, I'll let you know.
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| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at October 5, 2006, 3:54 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
@Casinomeister:
Sorry if I am a pain in the ass about writing again. I know that you probably have a lot for things to take care of but I have still not heard either from you or from the casino.
I tried to send you a private message as well, but I dont know if it worked.....Is something new up with William Hill or will they just be allowed to steal the 289$ from me without consequences?
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at September 28, 2006, 9:40 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by sumerafa
dear bryan, could you please forward my PAB to eh as well.
my login at casino meister= sumerafa
email = sumerafa@yahoo.com
and i have already sent you all details in PAB.
thanx
Sorry, but no. Banned for fraudulent activity.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...-my-acc-6.html
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at September 26, 2006, 7:44 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by obixx
... mistreated by a casino, who as we all know make their money by offering unfair games to us, the "customer"...
... By defending the casinos, if there is a wrong move on their behalf, you would just be helping them get away with it...
...BTW brokey, how well do online casinos pay their staff?
-so casinos deal "unfair games" to "make their money" when they could rely on the intrinsic house advantage when the games are dealt fairly?
-what does anyone care what i think? i have no stake in this, but retain every right to peanut gallery. if thinking the casino might be right is not allowed, that's discrimination. i just hope the legitimate n00bs come to realize quickly that you must play from your own computer or one that has never used the casino in question. gnoming is to bonuses what overpopulation is to food. think if the welfare system got gnomed, oh it does, by terrorists. in any... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: chuchu59 at September 25, 2006, 9:31 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
While I agree that happygobrokey has been a bit harsh on the player, I cannot see why we must side with the player on all issues. Casinos screw players but evil players screw reputable casinos as well. It goes both ways. On this issue, there is a lingering doubt as to why Leon played at his friend's house instead of playing at his home. Unless we are generally satisfied that there is no wrongdoing on the player's part, we could be sceptical otherwise it would be unfair to the casinos. Unlike may forums where nearly everybody is taking a blast at the casinos, many of us here try to judge each individual issue on its merits and hence many players and casinos alike respect this forum. You wouldnt like one-sided opinions, would you?
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| Posted by: obixx at September 25, 2006, 7:43 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by happygobrokey
hold the phone! so you have "played casinos" at your "friend's house" before? you're done for. from the selectivity of the casinos you play at, it seems you are going to sites that perhaps both allow danes and allow them to collect bonuses?
and both you and your friend have been opening/playing accounts on the same computer to achieve this purpose? even if you are two real players, i think the possibility remains that you might be "sharing losses" like as in if one busts, the other will likely make a win and you two just split the overall profits at the end? and it's only a short flight of fancy to envision this where it is actually only one person hitting the site twice and using a freind's identity though the friend is not involved in the scheme.
that'll teach you to buy a mac.
ha ha anyone here frequent 2+2? did you see the thread from this russian guy "can i hide/block/rerout... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at September 22, 2006, 11:32 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
This is insane, it doesnt matter what I say then I get one of these suspicious commentaries, and I am tired of it. I play javacasinos from my own computer (MAC) it is not a problem. Actually I have played slots from my friends house hosue, yes! And what is wrong with that?? I saw him play and thought I wanted to try it too, slots are fun and though you can loose alot you can hit some crazy wins too....
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at September 22, 2006, 8:06 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
hold the phone! so you have "played casinos" at your "friend's house" before? you're done for. from the selectivity of the casinos you play at, it seems you are going to sites that perhaps both allow danes and allow them to collect bonuses?
and both you and your friend have been opening/playing accounts on the same computer to achieve this purpose? even if you are two real players, i think the possibility remains that you might be "sharing losses" like as in if one busts, the other will likely make a win and you two just split the overall profits at the end? and it's only a short flight of fancy to envision this where it is actually only one person hitting the site twice and using a freind's identity though the friend is not involved in the scheme.
that'll teach you to buy a mac.
ha ha anyone here frequent 2+2? did you see the thread from this russian guy "can i hide/block/reroute my ip so the casino thinks i am playing in an approved c... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at September 22, 2006, 3:02 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Which casinos do you regularly play at?
I dont really see what it has to do with William Hill not paying me, but if you really want to know I prefer to play Netentertainment casinos cause I like the fast software. I also like Cryptologic, cuz even though you can be extremely unlucky once in a while I have also had my good moments there. Finally I sometimes play slots at Microgaming casinos, especially I like "HOHOHO" and the new "Loaded" slot which is hilarious
Well, you couldn't play regularly because, as you say, you cant get it on your computer. Unless your friend watches movies every night.
I was actually thinking about getting the program to my Mac that makes it possible to use Windows programmes. I can play Netentertainment and Cryptologic from my own computer because it is Java so it works fine on MAC.
Then I have played the slots from the same friend`s house as well. I Started watching him play to see his way of playing, and then later on I pla... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: henryVIII at September 20, 2006, 7:14 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Leon_Lilhauge
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You were clearly after their bonus and only that.
That is some of a statement. I signed up to the casino and of course I took advantage of the sig up offer, why wouldnt I? Now since my account has been blocked I probably wont play again, but how can you state that I would not come back and play reguarly at the casino after playing the welcome bonus?
Well, you couldn't play regularly because, as you say, you cant get it on your computer. Unless your friend watches movies every night.
That said, Im not saying you are wrong to chase a bonus (thats why they have them) and hope everything works out OK.
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| Posted by: soflat at September 20, 2006, 5:30 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Leon_Lilhauge
You were clearly after their bonus and only that.
That is some of a statement. I signed up to the casino and of course I took advantage of the sig up offer, why wouldnt I? Now since my account has been blocked I probably wont play again, but how can you state that I would not come back and play reguarly at the casino after playing the welcome bonus?
Which casinos do you regularly play at?
If everything you said is true, then I think they owe you your winnings.
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| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at September 20, 2006, 5:27 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
If you couldnt play the casino on your own computer ... why didnt you join another one? There are hundreds of them.
Not at all. The only casinos I can play from my own computer are the casino with Java software such as Cherry casino and Inter casino, where i have already played. Unless you buy a special program for MAC you almost wont be able to install any Windows Xp program.
You were clearly after their bonus and only that.
That is some of a statement. I signed up to the casino and of course I took advantage of the sig up offer, why wouldnt I? Now since my account has been blocked I probably wont play again, but how can you state that I would not come back and play reguarly at the casino after playing the welcome bonus?
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| Posted by: henryVIII at September 20, 2006, 4:57 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Leon, I'd forget it.
No casino in the world would pay you after doing this type of thing.
If you couldnt play the casino on your own computer ... why didnt you join another one? There are hundreds of them.
You were clearly after their bonus and only that.
If only it was like you want it ... I could sign up all my relatives and friends tonight and get $000s of bonuses' again and again. Except no casino would ever give a bonus to anyone after a while.
It appears a little greedy.
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| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at September 20, 2006, 3:19 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
what i am saying is that they should have warned you and not allowed that computer to collect the sign up bonus if they were going to turn around and oid your play. the way you went about it raises doubt/suspicion, but the fact that they allow you to collect bonuses and play on that other computer means they are fine with letting you do what you did.
I am sorry if I misunderstood you and I think that you are right. They should have warned me or denied me the bonus from the other computer. Anyway, how can they confiscate my winnings? The most logical solution to their suspicion would be confiscating the 80$ bonus and at least give me my 209$ winnings then, right?
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at September 19, 2006, 4:09 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Leon_Lilhauge
and if you'll notice, i said also that if the casino wants to let you sign in, play, and collect a bonus from another computer they should allow it.
Why didnt the casino write in their terms and conditions that you can never log in and play from a computer which is not yours? @happygobrokey: Obviously it should be the other way around. How am I supposed to take all these precautions when I have so little experience playing at casinos? The casino should inform me in their terms like Inter does (dont rememeber who metioned it in this thread)
what i am saying is that they should have warned you and not allowed that computer to collect the sign up bonus if they were going to turn around and oid your play. the way you went about it raises doubt/suspicion, but the fact that they allow you to collect bonuses and play on that other computer means they are fine with letting you do what you did.
if i were you, i would be equally p... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at September 19, 2006, 12:31 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
you had every opportunity to play at a friend's house who had never played at wh before and none of this would ever have happened.
That is ery true, but I never imagined, that it would be a problem at all. How could I know, as a new player, with ery little casino experience, that it makes you a criminal, in some people´s eyes, logging in from another computer than your own. I would never have imagined this turning out to be such a big problem.....
and if you'll notice, i said also that if the casino wants to let you sign in, play, and collect a bonus from another computer they should allow it.
Why didnt the casino write in their terms and conditions that you can never log in and play from a computer which is not yours? @happygobrokey: Obviously it should be the other way around. How am I supposed to take all these precautions when I have so little experience playing at casinos? The casino should inform me in their terms like Inter does (dont rememeber who metioned it in this th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: happygobrokey at September 18, 2006, 5:00 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
was our buddy leon ever going to play there again? if so, was he going to go over to his friend's house every time because he can't claim the bonuses on his mac? if he wanted to play again after doing the signup, imo he should prefer to do so from his own home at his own convenience and should have found a way to make it work on his own computer.
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at September 18, 2006, 3:46 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
On the subject of 'Danish players' or players from any particular country, I cannot understand why casinos should choose to discriminate against them and label them as bonus abusers. All players should be regarded as individuals and classifying them as bonus 'whores' or 'abusers' just because of their country of abode is disrespectful.
OK, so players from certain countries tend to play the minimum WRs and cash out. So what? The casino designed the sign-up/recurring bonuses to entice players to join and if anyone is clever enough to beat them at their game, tough luck to the casino. Of course the casino can choose whose business it wants but this is blatant discrimination. Can B&M casinos turn you away because of your country of origin. I doubt it unless there are security risks eg terrorism
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at September 17, 2006, 7:37 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
you had every opportunity to play at a friend's house who had never played at wh before and none of this would ever have happened.
and if you'll notice, i said also that if the casino wants to let you sign in, play, and collect a bonus from another computer they should allow it.
and when i said classic danish whore manoeuvre, i mean that this was a well-published strategy in denmark for taking advantage of bonuses, and as you are well aware they can review your play and deny your bonus even if you had played from home, if you are deemed to be abusing the bonus. being danish is a red flag to casinos, and though you may well be a regular casual player, the fact remains that you could easily be a gnomer/abuser and being from where you are doesn't help your case.
it is only amplified because you signed up from "your" computer and then played strictly and only from a "friend's" in a similar style to that of your "friend" who also played at wh. yo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at September 17, 2006, 3:49 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
What is this:
they both played progressive bets, classic danish whore manoeuvre
@happygobrokey: I have heard about the harrassment against danish players for some false chargeback accusations, but this is ridiculous: You think I am part of a conspiracy just because I am danish?
The idea of someone going round to a friends house to play online casinos while he 'watches a movie' is just bizarre.
What is bizarre about this??? I have already explained that I went there cuz I could not play from my own mac computer. William Hill can feel welcome to check from where my account was created and they will see that it is a differentIP adress.... I cant believe that some people suspect this so much. Why would I want to be excluded from there as a new player?
To register at one computer but play at another sounds almost like a gnoming tactic. You can even imagine the conversation ... "no, you dont have to download stuff, just register at the site and Ill play the rest out o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: henryVIII at September 16, 2006, 8:08 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
happygobrokey is correct here I think.
Earlier I wrote that it is wrong for a casino to let people gamble their money and only afterwards find a problem.
However, I have to say, if I was the casino I would be suspicious.
But, just being Judge Judy for a moment ... my feeling is :
To register at one computer but play at another sounds almost like a gnoming tactic. You can even imagine the conversation ... "no, you dont have to download stuff, just register at the site and Ill play the rest out on my pc and give you half the EV".
The idea of someone going round to a friends house to play online casinos while he 'watches a movie' is just bizarre.
That in itself suggests someone who is ery keen to play at this particular casino for just one session.
Again, just gut feel ... but when someone complains here and it takes until their forth post before the real issue is mentioned suggests the player is all to aware of what he ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: happygobrokey at September 16, 2006, 7:15 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
my 2c,
how many gnomers would also be registering from a different ip and then playing ia their home computer.
they both played progressive bets, classic danish whore manoeuvre.
of course they suspect something.
one question i have, do not cryptos like wh have a special guest # for when one is playing on a different comp than the one they used to register? this still leaves open the gnoming factor, but wouldn't it at least show for certain the origin of the registration?
if they let you play on another computer that has the software, they shouldn't turn around and oid your play. the guest # feature implicitly allows players to use two or more accounts from one computer.
i'm really waffling on this one. i think it hinges on the player's legitimacy. i hate gnomers! they abuse the bonuses and ruin it for everyone else. when people say "i'm down 5 times on the mansion freebet" they are taking real people's spots and giving players a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sumerafa at September 13, 2006, 6:04 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
The PAB has been forwarded to WH; they are aware of the problem and I hope to have an answer soon.
dear bryan, could you please forward my PAB to eh as well.
my login at casino meister= sumerafa
email = sumerafa@yahoo.com
and i have already sent you all details in PAB.
thanx
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at September 12, 2006, 11:25 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
And just to show that they are on top of things, it was WH that directed me to this thread. They wanted to resolve this problem and asked for further information, I checked my PABs and there it was. PAB sent.
This is why it is important to follow up on your complaints. I do not read every thread in the forum - and with the relaunch, I was preoccupied with webmaster stuff.
We should hear of something shortly.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at September 12, 2006, 6:07 am | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Looks like BS to me.
The "easy guide" to installation makes no mention of the fact that the MAC does not support the download casino, BUT it does state that the bonus is only allowed in the download casino. The CD is marked as "currently unavailable", and our Danish friend mentions being unable to make contact by phone or get proper answers to e-mails.
There is actually NO ban on multiple accounts, they are catered for in a term that states "one bonus.... regardless of the number of accounts".
If the software automatically gave the bonus when a friends computer was used to play the account registered elsewhere, it is not up to the player to have the relevant knowledge of computers and software to immediately think something has gone wrong and seek clarification from CS.
The fact that play was on a friends PC is irrelevant, the account was registered on the player's own PC, and this should define the identity.
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| Posted by: frufrugirl at September 11, 2006, 9:01 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Thanks TB but that is the same t&c's I listed earlier..
I mean like Inetbets t&c, its pretty clear you can only use one bonus per computer****************************************** **
One Bonus amount/account per family/household/computer.
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and Intercasino
Controlled access
InterCasino accounts may only be accessed with a unique username (alias) and password from the original computer where the account was opened. ************************************************** ******
thats pretty clear...but I cant find anything in Willhill thats specific....
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| Posted by: tennis_balls at September 11, 2006, 7:16 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by frufrugirl
I have looked everywhere on Willhills t&c's and cannot find the standard - only one ip address allowed(in fact, their t&c's are hard to find if you have not downloaded
General Promotion Terms And Conditions
under #1.....not hidden nor that hard to find
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| Posted by: frufrugirl at September 11, 2006, 3:02 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
I have looked everywhere on Willhills t&c's and cannot find the standard - only one ip address allowed(in fact, their t&c's are hard to find if you have not downloaded)...Im glad you have PB'd...I agree with everyone that WillHill should tell you whats up -
Everyone -you all say that depositers should be erified before bonus being given..given that cashing out takes usually 4-24 hrs (or longer)for that reason, wouldnt it take that long for you to get your deposit and bonus erified? Would new or old online players take to waiting that long to get your first signup bonus? Just a thought.
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| Posted by: Leon_Lilhauge at September 11, 2006, 12:49 pm | | Topic: William Hill has confiscated my 289$ winnings for no reason! Forum: Casino Meister |
Did you use the bonus money to win? In other words did you lose more than the initial deposit amount and start to use the 80 bonus chips before your started winning, or did you make a big bet that included the bonus chips?
Not at all, I was just pretty lucky from the start, playing mostly 5$ and 10$ bets. I am quite sure that I was never under the initial 160$ (80$ purchase + 80$ bonus)
Also, did you play the bonus in the same manner as your friend?
I am not sure. When I started playing BJ he told me about progression play which I have played almost from the start. It may be similar to his way of playing but I am much more willing to take risks than I believe he is, so I would throw a 20$ or 25$ bet out of nowhere, once in a while
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