| Posted by: vinylweatherman at November 11, 2006, 4:24 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
One point that really puts Omni in the proverbial is the reply it gave on Sunday to a query about US players being excluded from the bonus. This term was added on the 2nd, so US players depositing on the 1st should have got the bonus, retroactive changes to T & C are not popular!
On the second, this player was too late and asked what was up, the reply was something like "we are not at liberty to say why US players are excluded", nothing was said to discourage the player from depositing without a bonus, but the following day, he, and others, woke to find their accounts locked and funds trapped for a month as refunds were only being processed by check through the post (21 business days).
Omni are not the only group to do this, other casinos have one day said US OK, and pulled the plug without notice the next.
Over at GoneGambling, the question has been asked as to why US players still shun casinos that are accepting the whole US, or US bar the 11 states.
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| Posted by: ace4suited at November 10, 2006, 2:33 am | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
OK we have seen a few sites where US players have been caught out in this way so whilst this is imperfect this is not a critisism that can be labeled solely at omni.
Also in terms of the original complainant. I had understood that BJ/pontoon only counted for the FIRST DEPOSIT at omin and that for subsequent deposits BJ games were excluded. I did not iew the October bonus rules there so I cannot say what the relevant rules stated but it is not certain to me that you would have completed the bonus terms to get your funds released.
In terms of the Novermber rules then unless I am thick they are a complete mess. Of the "VP and slots bonus "
Quote:
Wagering in Mutli Hand Blackjack, Single Deck Blackjack, Baccarat, Punto Banco, Roulette or Craps do not count towards the wagering requirements. If you wish to play these games, simply deposit without entering the bonus code.
is what is stated in the general terms
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| Posted by: Macgyver at November 2, 2006, 3:59 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by bridgehajen
Forgive me for asking a stupid question. But according to the T&C at the web site, you receive the bonus immediately upon deposit. If I understand this corretly, then it shouldn't be difficult to just withdraw your deposit and leave if they won't give you your bonus?
However, I think I read somewhere that Omni and Carsands got new terms recently, so this may be the reason that I am puzzled?
Yes, the bonus at Omni has recently changed. Before, the player had to wager a certain amount before the casino would put the bonus into the player's account.
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| Posted by: bridgehajen at November 2, 2006, 3:31 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Forgive me for asking a stupid question. But according to the T&C at the web site, you receive the bonus immediately upon deposit. If I understand this corretly, then it shouldn't be difficult to just withdraw your deposit and leave if they won't give you your bonus?
However, I think I read somewhere that Omni and Carsands got new terms recently, so this may be the reason that I am puzzled?
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| Posted by: amatrine at October 14, 2006, 4:59 am | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
I hear you.
I will remember who treated us this way. When the cards turn around,
I will make them remember how they treated us. I will also remember who
those who did not jump the gun, and my business will remain there.
I have erased all casinos that have any US clauses, even the ones for certain states. They are gone not to return to my browser.
Amatrine
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at October 11, 2006, 9:38 am | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Dear USA players,
If we ever do see the day where online gambling is regulated within the States, remember the casinos who left gracefully as opposed to those who made a quick getaway and had their loyal players screwed. Do everything in your power not to let the latter back.
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| Posted by: trips to win at October 10, 2006, 7:11 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
I know for dead certainty that I will never deposit again in any of the casinos that sent me the "so sorry USA player" crappy form letter. I feel as though I was surely just a nameless, formless "blob with money" to them. Man, sure wish I could have taken just one of those bad boys for a bundle!
Show some balls Omni and PAY UP !!!
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| Posted by: RaiseThese at October 7, 2006, 3:52 am | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
All these operators who are pulling stunts right now may really regret it down the road.
They are burning bridges with the attitude that "Who cares if we screw the US players because we aren't dealing with them anymore."
What will happen down the road when the overreacters realize that the law becomes unenforceable and that people are still gambling like always?
Of course they will still want to tap into the lucrative US market again.
I suppose many operators figure that people will just forget about the injustices and deal with them anyway. As for me and hopefully others who remember, I will never send certain companies a penny of my money, no matter how attractive the offer sounds.
As of now Omni becomes one of those companies, completely ridiculous to not pay out an earned bonus on a bogus technicality.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at October 6, 2006, 3:01 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
This looks like a knee jerk rush job done at the weekend with no high calibre staff available.
This meant that on the 1st Oct, a Sunday, there had been no announcement possible from the higher ups, but it looks like the decision had already been made in September, that if the bill passed, US players would no longer be welcome. However, they kept this a corporate secret so that US players had no way of being aware on Sunday (when depositing), that because the bill was sneaked through on the ports legislation, Monday would see the plug pulled.
I suspect this bonus is of the "reward" form in the Crypto software, thus is paid after wagering and is fully cashable.
The correct solution is to pay the bonus, where earned before the official cut off on 2nd October, with the payouts of remaining funds in now closed US player accounts. While this may take a little longer, there is no excuse to not pay the bonus or the balance of any remaining comp points.
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| Posted by: Dirk Diggler at October 6, 2006, 2:41 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
How many times does this place want to try to screw their players and yet get away with their image still in place?
This is at least the third time they've tried it on that I can remember(http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...highlight=omni) and I see they've managed to get back onto the accredited list once more.
The player met the terms to get the bonus as they were so it's a simple case of paying them it.
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| Posted by: Stanford at October 6, 2006, 4:42 am | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by aka23
So don't give it as a bonus into their closed accounts. Give it as a deposit into their Neteller accounts. Players who met the wagering requirements and qualified for the bonus prior to the corporate decision should be paid.
Geez I go off to play poker and the whole norm of the online world shifts around.
If the Corporate powers don't want to take U.S. players thats fine. They don't get to change the terms of a deal midway between the deal. If they want to scratch the whole deal, then they should return the deposit. The terms of the bet are set at the time of the dopsit. ANYTHING else is a reneg.
I heard today the InterCasino is doing the same thing. That's nuts.
And using the new Frist Law as an excuse is nuttier. That law doesn't have anything to do with the player. And it will be a long time before it takes effect. If they can pay the balance, they can pay the bonus.
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| Posted by: aka23 at October 5, 2006, 11:17 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Frank
Hi Spino1i,
I do apologize for this but it's beyond our control at this point. Wagerlogic, our eCash provider, is no longer accepting bets from US players due to the recent legislation. This also means that we are no longer able to give bonuses to US players as well. I wish there was something I could do about this but unfortunately there is not.
Regards,
Frank
So don't give it as a bonus into their closed accounts. Give it as a deposit into their Neteller accounts. Players who met the wagering requirements and qualified for the bonus prior to the corporate decision should be paid.
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| Posted by: BosjeR at October 4, 2006, 10:20 am | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
This doesn't really make sense. If they can't pay out a simple bonus to someone because 'they can't' also implies they can't pay out ANY money to US customers (what's the difference with a qualified bonus or your real balance anyways; nothing)
So all US customers on their sites can't get their money out at all?
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at October 4, 2006, 9:24 am | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
A decision has been made not to accept bets from USA players. Fair enough.
Bets placed before this decision was made are alid though. So if the playthrough requirements have been met before October 2 ie the date of their announcement,the bonuses should be paid to the respective players unless these bonuses themselves are subject to further wagering requirements. Otherwise, the players should be allowed to cash out their remaining balance and bonuses accrued immediately since you cannot allow them to make any more bets now.
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| Posted by: freezer at October 4, 2006, 1:00 am | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Frank
Hi Spino1i,
I do apologize for this but it's beyond our control at this point. Wagerlogic, our eCash provider, is no longer accepting bets from US players due to the recent legislation. This also means that we are no longer able to give bonuses to US players as well. I wish there was something I could do about this but unfortunately there is not.
Regards,
Frank
This sounds like a total cop-out. Bush hasn't even signed the bill into law yet so paying your customers for wagers that you accepted before you locked everyone's account has nothing to do with the legislation. If I saw my companie's stock price drop in half in one day I would be doing everything I could to show good faith to my remaining customers but that's just me.
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| Posted by: Griff1324 at October 3, 2006, 11:36 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
spino1i,
I am in the same situation. I deposited at Omni and Sands of the Caribbean on October 1st and easily surpassed the wagering limits to qualify for the bonus the same day. In fact, I lost $600 at the Sands and another $500 at Omni. I expected to receive my bonuses from both these casinos on October 2nd. Obviously, I didn't receive them.
I too contacted customer support and got the same answer you did. What really fries me is the fact that they made no mention ANYWHERE on their site that US players wouldn't receive the bonus. Plus the fact that they let me deposit money and play but then can't honor the bonus. To me that is complete BS. I would have understood if they had stopped allowing deposits from US players.
Later,
Chris
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| Posted by: spino1i at October 3, 2006, 10:28 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Pinababy69
Just out of curiousity Spino1i, you are aware of everything that's going on right now? And that Cryptologic casinos are no longer even accepting US players period? I'm only asking because by the sound of your posts, you seem unaware. Yet that surely can't be if you are a regular at 2plus2.
im plenty aware of it. It doesnt let them off the hook. They mentioned no where in their T&C that they were no longer taking U.S. customers. They still dont.
Edit: On October 1st, it was unclear how many Crypto casinos would stop taking American customers..
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at October 3, 2006, 10:26 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Just out of curiousity Spino1i, you are aware of everything that's going on right now? And that Cryptologic casinos are no longer even accepting US players period? I'm only asking because by the sound of your posts, you seem unaware. Yet that surely can't be if you are a regular at 2plus2.
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| Posted by: spino1i at October 3, 2006, 10:23 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Frank
Hi Spino1i,
I do apologize for this but it's beyond our control at this point. Wagerlogic, our eCash provider, is no longer accepting bets from US players due to the recent legislation. This also means that we are no longer able to give bonuses to US players as well. I wish there was something I could do about this but unfortunately there is not.
Regards,
Frank
Wait so your trying to say your casino is absolved of its responsiblity to pay its customers a bonus you agreed to pay in your T&C, just because "you cant do it"? Doesnt this sound a little ridicolous?? Meister, you want to comment on this?
Edit: What I'm saying is this, if your eCash provider is preventing you from paying me the funds that you rightfully owe me, you need to take that up with them and make sure they pay me. If your T&C says that you will pay out the money, that its your responsiblity to pay out the money.
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| Posted by: Frank at October 3, 2006, 9:50 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi Spino1i,
I do apologize for this but it's beyond our control at this point. Wagerlogic, our eCash provider, is no longer accepting bets from US players due to the recent legislation. This also means that we are no longer able to give bonuses to US players as well. I wish there was something I could do about this but unfortunately there is not.
Regards,
Frank
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| Posted by: spino1i at October 3, 2006, 8:57 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
Before you go any further read this "Must Read" thread (you were supposed to read this before posting):
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ly-2006-a.html
And PM the casino rep here:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/frank.html
Thank you.
Meister.. I PMed Frank. Hopefully he'll deal with this in a timely fashion.
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| Posted by: spino1i at October 3, 2006, 8:56 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by GOCC
So why have you only come on here when you want someone to dig you out of a hole/??
Because I hadnt heard of this place really until now. And its not like I did anything wrong at all.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at October 3, 2006, 8:13 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
Before you go any further read this "Must Read" thread (you were supposed to read this before posting):
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ly-2006-a.html
And PM the casino rep here:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/frank.html
Thank you.
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| Posted by: spino1i at October 3, 2006, 6:03 pm | | Topic: Omni Casino trying to cheat me out of a 100$ Forum: Casino Meister |
I wagered 8000$ in pontoon on October 1st. at Omni Casino, which fulfills the wagering requirement of their monthly bonus. In there monthly reload T&C no where does it say that U.S. players are oid. I was told however October 2nd that they made a corporate decision on October 1st to no longer offer the bonus to U.S. players. I pointed out that they have't put it in their T&C yet and so I was still eligible for the bonus even though im a U.S. player. The customer rep person sympathized but said she had no power over this. As did the manager. I am hoping the Meister can investigate this and possibly put them on the black list until they pay me. I am a respected 2+2 poster if you guys are wondering about my reputation.
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