| Posted by: shawnh at January 3, 2007, 6:14 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Stanford said:
"In Texas, those Ts and Cs would get you shot. Reneging on a wager is THE ultimate sin. Can you imagine sitting at a poker game in Texas than telling the player that you won't pay the pot because you didn't like how he purchased the chips - after you lose the hand."
Right ON !
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| Posted by: Rusty at January 2, 2007, 1:48 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Personally I just do'nt get it.
Why should there be any restriction on the currency you choose to play in if that currency is an option with the Casino.
Whatever currency a player chooses to play in the bonus/deposit ratio is the same as is the WR and the risk of losing your money.
Why discriminate?
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at January 1, 2007, 7:54 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
There are good reasons why you may want to play in a currency other than your own. For example, there may be poker room attached where you have play in USD, you may already have a Neteller account in another currency. What is the reason for requiring as some casinos do, everyone outside Euroland and the UK to play in USD? The USD is not the currency of the whole world, and there are more euros in circulation than dollars now.
The casinos should not care about what currency the player plays in if he does not take a bonus, and they should either not award bonuses on accounts in the "wrong" currency or have bonuses of roughly the same alue in all currencies.
The technical solution would be not to allow players to choose currencies prohibited by the T&C, this should be easier than to release a dozen new slots every month.
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at January 1, 2007, 6:20 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
I'd still like to know why players don't sign up in the the currency of the country in which they live. If you live in France, that's part of the European Union right? So.....play in Euros. If you live in the UK, play in British pounds. I live in Canada, all of my casino accts are in Canadian dollars, except for the few that don't offer that option, those are still in US dollars. It seems so simple and straightforward to me, really. The only reason to play in pounds would be to get a larger bonus, but you are also spending more money to get that bonus...with no guarantee you are going to win on it.
I just get so frustrated when things that should be so simple are made so difficult. If the OP had signed up in Euros, which would be the sensible thing to do...then this thread wouldn't be here, and they would have been paid. Obviously, I must just be a simple person.
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| Posted by: dc9999 at January 1, 2007, 6:10 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
You're right on the mark with your sentiments Stanford.
It's absolutely mindboggling that the major online gambling powerhouses (Microgaming, RTG, and Playtech) have ELECTED to launch a campaign of indiscriminately withholding winnings from predominantely US based players in the past few months.
Equally disturbing, is the code of silence they all seem to have adopted. Not that the "dispute forums" (Montana, eCogra etc.) were ever that effective, but WOW......it's pretty much akin to raising the middle finger and telling us all to stick it don't you think?
The central problem, as has always been the case, is that there is no LEGITIMATE international licensing and/or consumer protection agency that the player can rely on.
How pitiful in fact, that we who are screwed royally by these charlatans, have to snivel and beg for responses from the casino reps who populate these forums!
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| Posted by: Stanford at January 1, 2007, 5:32 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Vesuvio
Thanks for the reality check, dc9999. Spending any time around on-line casinos tends to jade you to the sheer absurdity of the industry. The "terms and conditions" it's built on would be laughed out of court in any genuine jurisdiction or above-board industry.
In Texas, those Ts and Cs would get you shot. Reneging on a wager is THE ultimate sin. Can you imagine sitting at a poker game in Texas than telling the player that you won't pay the pot because you didn't like how he purchased the chips - after you lose the hand.
This is ery interesting. This industry ended 2006 by being rocked by an American law that may have no teeth. But then MicroGaming proves that Frist might indeed be right by endorsing a policy of reneging by its casinos.
This is not a good way to start off 2007. I will be curious as to how it ends. Players can help by keeping any casino renege front and center till the player gets paid.
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| Posted by: Vesuvio at December 29, 2006, 12:10 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by SKUNX
Yes casinos often try to find a catch to confiscate winnings but that is why we most be responsible when playing and covering every move with an OK from the casino.
Surely it should be up to the casino not to "try to find a catch to confiscate winnings", rather than for the player to get written permission and screenshots to cover every possible trick the casino might pull.
Thanks for the reality check, dc9999. Spending any time around on-line casinos tends to jade you to the sheer absurdity of the industry. The "terms and conditions" it's built on would be laughed out of court in any genuine jurisdiction or above-board industry.
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| Posted by: Stanford at December 28, 2006, 1:06 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by SKUNX
Simple
ONCE AGAIN the terms were on the site and she broke the terms , our mistake is always treat the casinos as enemies dont get me wrong there are ALOT of shady operations out there trying to steal from players .
But if the person DID NOT contact customer service and terms were on the site ITS THE PLAYERS MISTAKE.
Actually, no terms were broken. The casino awarded a bonus against there own terms, but there was no breaking of terms by playing in a foreign currency. Even if there were such terms, the casino is free to accept bets against their own terms. They just have to pay them off if they lose.
Stanford
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| Posted by: Stanford at December 28, 2006, 1:04 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by chuchu59
While I think Bryan has defended the casino a bit too much on this issue, it still boils down to which stance you take. He is a stauch supporter of both players and casinos adhering to the Terms and Conditions and basically there is nothing wrong with that. However, as issues become more complex, there needs to be more flexibility to handle these cases.
This is a renege. It is no more complex than that unless Bryan knows something we do not. I am hoping he is still mulling this over. This sets a ery bad precedent.
Stanford
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| Posted by: pangloss at December 26, 2006, 12:24 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by dc9999
Not to oversimplify matters but...
The REAL problem in this instance, and the reason we even need a Casinomeister, is because far too many of these operators (and I don't care if they're using Playtech, RTG, Microgaming, Boss Media, or any other software supplier) LOOK for reasons NOT TO PAY the player!
It's now reached the point of absurdity, but these T&C's are clearly designed to confuse,frustrate, and ultimately sabotage online casino patrons so that the CASINO always has a fallback position in the event they ELECT not to pay winnings - even after accepting deposits.
While the brick and mortar land based operations certainly have their share of issues to deal with, the online gambling world has further deteriorated into the level of pure farce.
For instance: why even offer such "lucrative" bonus offers that have so many inbred stipulations? Wouldn't it be easier (if you the online operators R... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: SKUNX at December 25, 2006, 7:11 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Simple
I am not favoring with the casino here.. BUT
ONCE AGAIN the terms were on the site and she broke the terms , our mistake is always treat the casinos as enemies dont get me wrong there are ALOT of shady operations out there trying to steal from players .
But if the person DID NOT contact customer service and terms were on the site ITS THE PLAYERS MISTAKE.
Yes casinos often try to find a catch to confiscate winnings but that is why we most be responsible when playing and covering every move with an OK from the casino .
If you ask me , with all due respect to the other users that may think otherwise I agree with the casino.
This is just my humble opinion.
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| Posted by: dc9999 at December 25, 2006, 6:21 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Not to oversimplify matters but...
The REAL problem in this instance, and the reason we even need a Casinomeister, is because far too many of these operators (and I don't care if they're using Playtech, RTG, Microgaming, Boss Media, or any other software supplier) LOOK for reasons NOT TO PAY the player!
It's now reached the point of absurdity, but these T&C's are clearly designed to confuse,frustrate, and ultimately sabotage online casino patrons so that the CASINO always has a fallback position in the event they ELECT not to pay winnings - even after accepting deposits.
While the brick and mortar land based operations certainly have their share of issues to deal with, the online gambling world has further deteriorated into the level of pure farce.
For instance: why even offer such "lucrative" bonus offers that have so many inbred stipulations? Wouldn't it be easier (if you the online operators REALLY intended to PAY folks when they win...) to mi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: chuchu59 at December 25, 2006, 10:26 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by eranlu
Thanks for drawing my attantion to that.
well, I do not know what was the actual play activity but I can assure you he/she played according to the T&C.
how do I know that? because the casino found nothing wrong in his game accept the currency issue. you can trust the casino they turned every rock upside down trying to find a reason to not to pay him so it must be the currency alone.
In that case would you support the player?
if yes, then we have here a situation of:
The casinomeister Vs. The rest of the world.
While I think Bryan has defended the casino a bit too much on this issue, it still boils down to which stance you take. He is a stauch supporter of both players and casinos adhering to the Terms and Conditions and basically there is nothing wrong with that. However, as issues become more complex, there needs to be more flexibility to handle these cases.
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| Posted by: eranluv at December 25, 2006, 9:43 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by spearmaster
my stance is now neutral based on a re-read of the terms and conditions and now depends on the actual play activity.
Thanks for drawing my attantion to that.
well, I do not know what was the actual play activity but I can assure you he/she played according to the T&C.
how do I know that? because the casino found nothing wrong in his game accept the currency issue. you can trust the casino they turned every rock upside down trying to find a reason to not to pay him so it must be the currency alone.
In that case would you support the player?
if yes, then we have here a situation of:
The casinomeister Vs. The rest of the world.
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| Posted by: leszeksch at December 24, 2006, 12:57 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
What about players who registered their accounts in GBP back in 2004,2005 years?I`m from Poland and during two years i played with GBP currency with bonuses and without bonuses.The Palace Group always pay my winnings.I have VIP accounts.Every month they are sending me bonus offers.
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| Posted by: spearmaster at December 23, 2006, 1:04 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by eranlu
only the casino meister and spearmaster (and the casino itself) are in favor of the casino.
If you would have reread everything since your last post you would have noticed that my stance is now neutral based on a re-read of the terms and conditions and now depends on the actual play activity.
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| Posted by: eranluv at December 23, 2006, 11:43 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
I am affraid people here forgot about the player.
if you guys want to debate on other things - start a thread on your own.
from what I see on this thread and the winneronline thread it seems 90% of the people are in favor of the player.
only the casino meister and spearmaster (and the casino itself) are in favor of the casino.
what bothers me also is that the casino representative made a flase statement in this forum, stateing terms and conditions we know were not in place when the players signed in and played.
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| Posted by: spearmaster at December 22, 2006, 12:49 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Vesuvio... I haven't been a moderator since No 1
In any case, this is a jackpots information site. If I wanted to rip people off I would send them to scam sites or keno sites or crap like that.
Jackpots provide entertainment and if people want information on jackpots they can come isit. If, like you, they don't care, then don't isit. It's not like I'm pushing it in your face or something... please...
The difference between me doing it and Caruso doing it is that I don't pose as the player's white knight while pinching a percentage through affiliate links.
I am not a player advocate. I am not a casino advocate. I am an advocate of fair play, simple as that, and repeated many times over the years but people simply don't believe it - that's your choice.
Whether or not I dislike Caruso is also irrelevant - there are a lot of people I don't exactly get along with - that does not mean they deserve any less fairness than people I like.
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| Posted by: Vesuvio at December 22, 2006, 9:45 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by spearmaster
The website in my signature, by the way, posts information. And the page you are referring to states a known truth, furthermore the site makes no attempt to convince people that playing progressive slots is profitable or anything of the sort.
It's not so much the manner of the "known truth" (progressive jackpots make the casinos the most money), but the way it's phrased: "a dream come true for the player, and for you, the online casino operator". But ok, let's not argue stylistics!
Quote: Originally Posted by spearmaster
And furthermore I did not bring Caruso's own site into any discussion - it is amazing how one can promote casinos with one hand and punch with the other. Let me assure you that if he was the savior of the players, the mere fact that he has affiliate links shows otherwise.
I understand you dislike Caruso, but to argue that any site with a few affiliate links (even if the ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Stanford at December 22, 2006, 6:13 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by spearmaster
But I happen to be a convenient target for many, for whatever reasons, and I accept this as part and parcel of the job. I do draw the line, however, at insinuations that people like Caruso make which have absolutely no basis in fact, no proof whatsoever, and are clearly not representative of any efforts I make, whether on behalf of players, affiliates or casinos. And of course I object to the slinging about of my name in the derogatory manner in which Caruso chooses to do so.
Ignore the nay Sayers. Your rep is good.
To the issue at hand, I agree with you that there is no reason to oid the winnings based on the current readings of the Ts&Cs.
I think Vesuvio and Kreome has done a good job of analysis - hats off to you guys.
I will just emphasize that all the power is with the house. They don't have to accept the bet. If they do, they need something substantial to oid play. They allowed bets in foreign cu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spearmaster at December 22, 2006, 3:48 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Vesuvio
Well, if the gloves are off - give me Caruso's "agenda" (sticking up for players and tending to favour the player if there's any doubt) and a website that tells players how to at least break even, to your equally belligerent approach, tendency to favour casinos, and a website in your signature trying to attract players to play progressive jackpots because, as you cynically boast to potential advertisers:
"Now you can directly reach the source of your most aluable traffic - progressive jackpot players. These are the people that isit online casinos to play progressive jackpots games for entertainment as well as the hope of hitting the big payout - a dream come true for the player, and for you, the online casino operator."
Sure, Caruso was "negative", but then this forum would be worthless if it was only made up of people who see the casino industry as all sweetness and light.
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| Posted by: mikepipe at December 22, 2006, 2:41 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
we didnt get off the track.
you try to split hairs again.
its obviously a philosophical question.
If you read the whole threa, you will see that you added nothing new.
i have to go on in german, sorry- you can, may translate:
es ist ganz offenbar eine Frage on trei und Glauben, gegen die der Speiler hier erstossen hat. Es war natürlich ein Casinofehler, das Geld anzunehmen, aber das ist unwichtig, weil der spieler nach treue und glauben (und §13 der TC) wußte, dass er unrecht tat.
Es gibt keine Gleichheit im Unrecht. Das ist eiegntlich der älteste Rechtsgrundatz der Welt- dennoch beruft sich der Spieler darauf- udn iele antworten dasrauf.
Verdammt schade!
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| Posted by: shawnh at December 22, 2006, 1:39 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
hey hey boys, we're getting off track here. Spearmaster hit upon something a few posts ago and shortly after everything went to hell with the mudslinging...
SPEARMASTER SAID:
"NOW I'm confused.
The screenshot which Tepux posted (and I couldn't read at first because it was a bit small) says, if I am not mistaken, something to the effect of:
"In order to be eligible for a promotion or bonus, player must be playing in the currency of the country his registered address is located in".
It does NOT say that "players may NOT play in a currency other than... blah blah blah."
If this is the case, and in fact players MAY play in a currency other than that of the country where the registered address is located... we have a completely different issue.
IF the bonus money was not allowed, and IF at no time the player actually used an amount which would have exceeded his real account balance without said bonus be... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: thesmacker at December 21, 2006, 11:33 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by chuchu59
Bryan, You understimate us. Some of us may be at odds with you over the current issue but we can differentiate between people like caruso who has the interests of the at heart and the smacker who smacks(pardon the pun) of hypocrisy. Except for KK who has shown time and again his ability to profit slightly from play at the casinos, I simply cannot see how someone can share the secrets (if any) of making 1-2K a month from online casinos. Actually, you either get ripped off by the casinos or you get ripped off by the casinos through the affiliate.
If you havent figured out how to make 1k a month from bonuses and you've been playing with online casinos for over a couple years then you have been missing the boat. Its so simple, all it takes is patience and a list of about 15 casinos with monthly bonuses and a basic understanding of math but apparently you gamble for fun, which in my eyes is a problem.
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| Posted by: Vesuvio at December 21, 2006, 10:34 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by spearmaster
I must ehemently disagree about your opinion of Caruso. His interest is promoting his agenda and taking aim at anyone who does not agree.
I should point out that CM himself has the interests of the gambling public in general - by a significant factor over the people you choose to defend. I'm not going to make any similar claim about myself - my acts and my words are public and people can judge for themselves why I do what I do.
Well, if the gloves are off - give me Caruso's "agenda" (sticking up for players and tending to favour the player if there's any doubt) and a website that tells players how to at least break even, to your equally belligerent approach, tendency to favour casinos, and a website in your signature trying to attract players to play progressive jackpots because, as you cynically boast to potential advertisers:
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| Posted by: spearmaster at December 21, 2006, 7:38 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by chuchu59
Bryan, You understimate us. Some of us may be at odds with you over the current issue but we can differentiate between people like caruso who has the interests of the at heart and the smacker who smacks(pardon the pun) of hypocrisy.
I must ehemently disagree about your opinion of Caruso. His interest is promoting his agenda and taking aim at anyone who does not agree.
I should point out that CM himself has the interests of the gambling public in general - by a significant factor over the people you choose to defend. I'm not going to make any similar claim about myself - my acts and my words are public and people can judge for themselves why I do what I do.
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at December 21, 2006, 6:14 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Bryan, You understimate us. Some of us may be at odds with you over the current issue but we can differentiate between people like caruso who has the interests of the at heart and the smacker who smacks(pardon the pun) of hypocrisy. Except for KK who has shown time and again his ability to profit slightly from play at the casinos, I simply cannot see how someone can share the secrets (if any) of making 1-2K a month from online casinos. Actually, you either get ripped off by the casinos or you get ripped off by the casinos through the affiliate.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at December 21, 2006, 5:31 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by thesmacker
Wow, you have too much time on your hands, maybe more focus on making rational decisions in regards to player issues instead of pandering to the will of casinos and you may actually have a positive influence on this industry.
This is what I've been working on today. Complaints submitted from 13 December to 20 December were dealt with.
http://www.casinomeister.com/pitchab...cember2006.php
That's 19 complaints processed.
And a few pending ones have been resolved. Mostly in the player's favor.
But it's funny, when I don't see things eye to eye with a player, people like you jump my shit.
Sure, I took a few minutes out to reveal what a hypocritical unscroupulous annoying webmaster you are. That's my prerogative. You rip off other people's content, you act a shill, you talk trash about a casino and promote it at the same time. You're a real work of art.
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| Posted by: mucullus at December 21, 2006, 4:59 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by thesmacker
Keep sending people to online casinos to pump slots and lose their life savings and I'll keep showing them how to make 1-2k a month from them.
Then i guess the only reason why you put up affiliate links is to keep track of the thousands of $$$ you helped making your players. It seems that pure altruism does exist.
btw, thesmacker is in good company with his soliloquies. Sony does it in the same manner: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36401
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| Posted by: thesmacker at December 21, 2006, 4:21 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Wow, you have too much time on your hands, maybe more focus on making rational decisions in regards to player issues instead of pandering to the will of casinos and you may actually have a positive influence on this industry.
Much of the same for you though, sling mud, derail a thread (2 iolations of your own forum) and avoid the issue.
Great job your doing here!!
Keep sending people to online casinos to pump slots and lose their life savings and I'll keep showing them how to make 1-2k a month from them.
I guess this is why the US decided to ban online gaming transactions, because clearly there is no where for the player to turn if they get ripped off by a casino.
Have a nice life, maybe get some muscle relaxants to quell the swelling of your head
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at December 21, 2006, 2:20 pm | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Ha ha ha!
Get a load of thesmacker having a conversation with himself here:
http://forum.therx.com/showthread.ph...50#post3201250
The poster "casinosncappers" is posting aff links for casinos that have the same aff links that "thesmacker" posted at WOL. And then "thesmacker" enters the thread asking for advice. What a laugh!
Oh and by the way, how did I find this thread? I Googled "thesmacker's" email address (that is registered in this forum) and the user name "silentbobz" popped up - and this is the third poster in this thread.
So it looks like a three-way conversation here.
How embarrassing for you.
So where's the farce, eh? It certainly isn't here.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at December 21, 2006, 11:34 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by thesmacker
Is this thread for real? A player deposits in GBP and in the terms it states at the time of deposit that doing this would oid his BONUS, no mention at all of winnings, the player then wins a ton of money and has his bonus and winnings oided and all the casino "watchdogs" run to the defence of the casino. LMFAO
Whatever the players intentions are irrelevent, bonus hunting or not, the terms were written in black and white that doing what he did would result in oiding the bonus, NOTHING is stated of winnings. If terms and conditions aren't taken at face alue and are subject to interpretation why have terms at all? Why not just have no terms and allow the casino to decide who they would like to pay and who they wouldn't. It would seem that is what they are doing now anyways and are getting the support of casinomeister and spearmaster.
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| Posted by: spearmaster at December 21, 2006, 10:31 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by GOCC
Just look at Spear, fully respected indivdidual of the forum and been on many a time and even he was mistaken.
Definitely not afraid to admit a mistake. The point is to be fair, not to be right. So it is definitely possible I misunderstood what was going on.
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I notice spear said if he had dipped under his original depsosit then it would be oid. I actually disagree as the T&Cs dont allow for this.
The T&Cs don't allow for the player to have the bonus in the first place - if so, then the player would not have been able to place that bet - it's not really an issue of the T&Cs any more.
It's either that or start all over again - given a choice as a player, I think I would prefer the former.
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Why dont the casinos just sit down and completely clarify all their T&Cs rather than leaving themselfs open to mass misinterpretation on such a basic issue
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| Posted by: Macgyver at December 21, 2006, 10:03 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by thesmacker
This is another black mark for online casinos, and once again with the sponsorship of this site.
What a Farce
I got a question for some people out there ...
If you honestly doubt the integrity of the people who run this site (as I've seen a few state in the last few days) ...
Why the hell do you come here?
You question these people's integrity?
I question your intelligence, basing your statement on the assumption that no response from someone means that they're "on the take".
Better yet, just because they hold a different judgement than you doesn't mean that they're "on the take" either.
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| Posted by: GOCC at December 21, 2006, 9:59 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
Ive looked at this and to me, yet again, we see multi ambiguous Terms and Conditions that are simply confusing.
Just look at Spear, fully respected indivdidual of the forum and been on many a time and even he was mistaken.
IT IS NOT ROCKET science to allow only certain currencies to deposit at certain locations. You could write a script that would allow anyone to use Dollars, you designate which countries use Euros and then only us Brits can use the powerful pound note. Dont say its hard coz thats ballies. Look at how complicated it must have been to set up the EZ bonus with different strengths awarded to different games.
It would be a simple piece of code that would take any half decent programmer 15-30 minutes to write.
The way I read the Terms and Conditions is, you cant have any bonus if not playing in the currency and if you do, they will withhold the Bonus. ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION WHATSOEVER that they will keep everything.
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| Posted by: spearmaster at December 21, 2006, 9:23 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
NOW I'm confused.
The screenshot which Tepux posted (and I couldn't read at first because it was a bit small) says, if I am not mistaken, something to the effect of:
"In order to be eligible for a promotion or bonus, player must be playing in the currency of the country his registered address is located in".
It does NOT say that "players may NOT play in a currency other than... blah blah blah."
If this is the case, and in fact players MAY play in a currency other than that of the country where the registered address is located... we have a completely different issue.
IF the bonus money was not allowed, and IF at no time the player actually used an amount which would have exceeded his real account balance without said bonus being present, then the player MUST be entitled to his winnings.
Unless, of course, somewhere else in the terms and conditions PRECEDING... it states that players MAY NOT PLAY in alternative cu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spearmaster at December 21, 2006, 7:19 am | | Topic: The Palace group Jackpotinaflash: resolved Forum: Casino Meister |
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A player deposits in GBP and in the terms it states at the time of deposit that doing this would oid his BONUS
That's a bit of a stretch. The T&C stated that opening an account in a different currency was not allowed.
Furthermore, it then states that your bonus will be oid - ie. you are not entitled to claim the bonus.
It does NOT say that you can go ahead and play and if we catch you we will only remove the bonus.
Play is not allowed. Bonus will be removed. It is clearly obvious that any "not allowed" play will be oid.
The bit about "bonus" will be removed is indicative that the account will not be entitled to a bonus - it does not say "We will remove the bonus and allow you to play" and it should NOT be assumed that any play has subsequently beeen allowed before or after the time that the bonus was "removed". You are not entitled to your winnings. You are not entitled to lose. You a... | | Read Entire Entry |
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