| Posted by: KSOT at March 2, 2007, 2:47 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by happygobrokey
ksot are you mad cuz you hedged on the steelers bet? or cuz you got burned trying to exploit their keno loophole on your bonus that you almost certainly only became eligible to earn when you deposited for said free sports bet?
I never partook in their NFL promotion. Aren't you the clever one?
Quote: Originally Posted by happygobrokey
you were never prevented from withdrawing your own funds at any time, right? if not, it's your own fault everything that's happened.
It's not my fault that they choose to shut USA customers out of their casino or their poker room with out any notice. That was their decision and it screwed me over twice now. It's also not my fault that they refuse to prorate bonuses in these situations as SBR says is the standard move in this industry.
Quote: Originally Posted by happygobrokey
it's twistedly pleasurable to watch you getting yanked around by th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: patticake at February 26, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
[quote=happygobrokey;148779]mudslinging was to patti, she accused me of working for a casino.
whatever spy 007 nothing for the casinos
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at February 26, 2007, 4:14 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
it's a great example of sunk costs, that's all. not sure how much oil is underneath iraq, but obviously enough to justify a five year war to the tune of 13 figures. instead of going to iraq, y'all could have ended world hunger and probably aids too
now go get in your su and drive thru for a mcmuffin! lmfao had to!
p.s. it sucks in canada, we have gotten rid of one- and two-dollar bills, the minimum you can give a stripper is a fiver. well, if you hold a toonie in your teeth a dancer will retrieve it with her breasts. it would be funny if a stripper had a shirt on with an arrow what pointed to its low-cut collar and had on it "insert bills here" like a ending machine
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| Posted by: winbig at February 26, 2007, 2:33 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by happygobrokey
or perhaps you send your country to war, and you start realising to complete your task will require hundreds of times what you expected. yes, gwb, you need to cut and run, staying the course is just throwing money at something that won't ever be fixed. trillions of dollars wasted, no definite end in sight, and no reason to continue being there (not to mention how further lives are being pointlessly spent as well - troops, civilians, even militants who just want the US out and would be productive citizens were they left alone). accept it as a loss, but quit dumping money into a negative expectation.
*shakes head*
Can we leave the war out of it?
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at February 26, 2007, 9:06 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
mudslinging was to patti, she accused me of working for a casino.
and yes i've played 32v, but it's not near as disreputable as the epic of cloud, curran, crystal and friends. they've recently been called the biggest assholes in the history of online gambling. 32 just bonus-ban whores and give random sketchy bonuses, and their sister site gave me a chance before banning. and i don't remember them deliberately screwing players, fabricating reasons to lock/seize, or slow-paying. plus, their live chat is available in english now lmfao!
yes i go after bonuses, but i do follow their terms to the letter, and i don't try to breach the rules in any way. bonuses are offered to entice deposits and play. believe me if casinos didn't offer bonuses, i would not be playing right now. attractive, competitive bonuses will draw business.
would you deliberately shop at a grocery store that never offered sales/coupons? is it wrong to maximize your savings by stocking up on sale items? or t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: winbig at February 26, 2007, 7:03 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
And you're not a bonus chaser yourself? :
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post148759
The 32Vegas group isn't shady? C'mon.
If you've read this thread from the beginning, you'll see that the OP was FORCED to play poker to finish the WR. For you to actually say that "they were asking for it" by continuing to play online right before the UIGEA...well....I won't even go there.
</derail>
I won't even get into the last sentence of your post. Let's keep the thread on track instead of getting into a mudslinging contest.
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at February 26, 2007, 6:49 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
i had a huge diatribe again, but it was far too long to post. ksot has no claim to all or any part of the bonus funds (for a multitude of reasons), and it's his fault he hasn't yet earned it and indeed that he even chased it to begin with. mansion is within their rights to do everything they have done so far, and it was not like they closed down to american players for the purpose of denying bonus, it was just a collateral effect that they somewhat remedy by still allowing poker to be played.
this latest communication that the bonus offer is off the table ("expired", as the qualifying deposit was made ~1 week before the start of the football season), although brash and maybe a little rude considering the poor sod has conceded to play poker and has nearly lost it all anyway, is not terribly roguish. many places require a bonus to be turned over in seven to ninety days or what have you, and ksot has been dragging his feet and trying to have it his way since the football season started... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: happygobrokey at February 26, 2007, 1:43 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
ksot are you mad cuz you hedged on the steelers bet? or cuz you got burned trying to exploit their keno loophole on your bonus that you almost certainly only became eligible to earn when you deposited for said free sports bet?
i'll agree this most recent turn where they totally shut you down after you grudgingly accepted to play poker is lame, but you really never should have put yourself in this position to begin with. you chose to undertake playing a 1000 dollar bonus when the immediate future of online gaming for us citizens was uncertain. you certainly ought to have known that the bonus would not be released in increments of any sort, and that a certain amount of wagering was required both to release that bonus and after its release to turn it over into cashable chips. you let them twist your arm into playing poker and losing hundreds of dollars.
you were never prevented from withdrawing your own funds at any time, right? if not, it's your own fault everything that's happened. ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KSOT at February 21, 2007, 8:08 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Ok... the shit just hit the fan.
Hello Joe
Thank you for your email regarding your MANSION account.
The original agreement made was that as you had wagered enough in Casino to potentially earn 480 USD of your 1,000 USD bonus that the full amount would be released to you when you earned the remainder of your bonus 520 USD through Poker play as per our terms and conditions.
The terms of this bonus were clear when you registered your account in that you must meet the wagering requirements of the bonus before it is credited to your account. The terms and conditions clearly state that:
The wagering requirement as described above for any given deposit amount must be met in order for the bonus to be credited to your account.
Having reviewed your account I can see that you have released 167.27 USD of the 520 USD required through Poker. Unfortunately as you have not fully met your wagering requirements we are unable to release any further bonus fu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KSOT at January 30, 2007, 6:47 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Well I definitely should have given up here when I suggested it. I had a bumpy ride playing short handed 4/8 and am currently at my low point, down $650 from where I began playing their horrid poker room and only 1/3rd of the way towards accumulating the points I need. I told you I suck at poker! They don't even offer Omaha, the game I am somewhat competent at.
Now they decided to lock me out of poker too. They had damn well better give me the $500 from my casino playthrough now... Email on the subject is pending.
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| Posted by: KSOT at November 15, 2006, 6:27 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Nice! Maybe that will get them to think twice about this situation.
So tell me what you think. At this point, should I give up, withdraw and take the $300 loss? Or should I keep my money in there for a while longer and hope that they eventually come around? If there's any hope at all, I'm more than happy to leave my balance there intact for as long as it takes.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at November 14, 2006, 8:14 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
For a Casinomeister "Accredited" casino, I'm a bit perplexed as to why they aren't entering into a dialogue about this. This is ery, ery disappointing and they have been removed from the accredited list.
Agreement on this or not, there should be a dialogue going on here. Apparently, there is none. I've been told that the "Casino team will respond to queries on an individual basis". Well, this response is unsatisfactory. The Casino rep has bailed from the forum, and I have to pull teeth to get answers.
Unacceptable.
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| Posted by: KSOT at November 14, 2006, 7:13 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Winbig, I am pretty sure Spearmaster's interpretation is the correct one. Especially since they said they are not changing their stance.
They sure do like to word these things in confusing ways though.
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| Posted by: spearmaster at November 14, 2006, 6:58 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
I didn't read it that way. I read it as that if he plays through the $520, Mr. Knipe will release the other $480 immediately upon completion.
In my opinion, this sucks. If the circumstances were beyond their control, they were also beyond the player's control - and thus what was completed up to that time should have been released by the casino and the remaining bit forfeited - that is the only fair solution.
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| Posted by: winbig at November 14, 2006, 6:34 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by KSOT
So they're not going to change their position and I still have to play a game I suck at and didn't sign up for to finish off my WR and recoup my losses?
Is that acceptable to you CM? I had assumed it wasn't since you have been making an attempt to help me out. If it was I figured you'd have told me to suck it up a while ago.
Either way thanks for your ongoing assistance. I truly appreciate it.
The way I understood Bryan's last post is that they're going to give you $480 of the bonus to your casino account; which you can cashout immediately.
They're going to stick the other $520 into the poker account, so basically you're playing with free money...if you clear it, great. If not, no loss. I think this is a great move on their part, as they're allowing you to try and clear the rest of the bonus, even though it'd be by playing poker.
I'm sure other places would give you the prorated bonus, and leave it at that. T... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KSOT at November 14, 2006, 6:31 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
So they're not going to change their position and I still have to play a game I suck at and didn't sign up for to finish off my WR and recoup my losses?
Is that acceptable to you CM? I had assumed it wasn't since you have been making an attempt to help me out. If it was I figured you'd have told me to suck it up a while ago.
Either way thanks for your ongoing assistance. I truly appreciate it.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at November 14, 2006, 11:04 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
What rubbish,
It is NOT illegal as yet for US players to gamble online, it is only illiegal for financial institutions to assist in making deposits, and the rules for enforcing this have not yet been finalised.
To say that top level management cannot be flexible when unexpected circumstances lead them to breach their side of a contract is total BS. When players breach their side, even if it is circumstances beyond their control, casino operators will often throw the proverbial book at them.
If the player has released half the bonus, he should receive half, as the casino did not give fair notice of the change, but closed accounts overnight - itself not necessary as there would be no danger of action had they allowed the rest of the month for US players to pull out of gaming gracefully.
What about other players that casinos currently accept. I don't expect the US to be the only country to bring in a ban, especially as the US situation has shown that it might actually work! ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at November 14, 2006, 9:55 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
This was forwarded to me:
Quote:
You are right that he has gone around in circles a bit and I will write to him personally to address that. Unfortunately at this time though I am not willing to change our position on his request. We regret that we have had to suspend Casino from US play at this time, but circumstances were clearly beyond our control.
This player in particular has currently met a little less than 50% of his wagering requirement to release USD1,000 bonus. Thus at this time, if should choose to play poker, he would be able to release half his bonus through Poker and at that time the balance would automatically release from Casino. This happens because the outstanding bonus would reduce to a level where his current Casino turnover would meet the wagering requirement for the balance of the bonus.
My response to him will include our commitment that should he release USD520 of bonus through Poker, I will immediately convert the remaining USD480... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KSOT at November 14, 2006, 8:54 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Indeed sir. No contact from the rep here since his first reply in this thread. I did get an email from Sarah McLean on the 3rd of November, essentially repeating what has already been said about this a million times. I can post it here if you'd like, but it's really nothing new. Still no progress on this front =/
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| Posted by: Tagdog at October 23, 2006, 11:44 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
The OP signed up to specific terms and conditions, the casino can't honour this, not due to the OPs fault, but due to a law change. I assume Mansion knew about the ports bill going, previous to it passing so knew there might be an issue with players bonuses and hence I believe the responsibilty lies more with them than the player.
If the player is unwilling to play poker he shouldn't be forced to to get his $700 worth of equity back playing it. There really shouldn't be any trouble at all for mansion to convert his bonus equity into cash and allow him to withdraw. What are they trying to prove by not granting this request?
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| Posted by: KSOT at October 23, 2006, 11:11 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Except that I barely ever win at poker. I'd certainly lose more at it than I would playing Keno. If I thought I might have to clear this bonus with a billion hours of poker, I'd never have signed up for it. We can't all be card sharks.
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| Posted by: soflat at October 23, 2006, 10:44 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by KSOT
Luckily for me you're the only one who feels that way so far.
Maybe he was just the only one who posted it.
You didn't earn the bonus and Mansion seems to be giving you the chance to earn it playing poker. That sounds fair. Good for them.
Afterall, you were grinding it out playing safe small bets at keno. Poker offers pretty much the same sort of grind-it-out slowly type of game you seem to favor.
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| Posted by: KSOT at October 23, 2006, 3:58 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
I just spoke to live chat to try and figure out what they were saying.
MANSION Andy:
how can I help?
CzarChasm:
hi, im consufed about an email i got from you regarding my casino bonus
CzarChasm:
one paragraph states: Should you have an outstanding bonus balance in
the Casino this can be exchanged for cash for use in MANSION Poker or
the MANSION player-to-player Exchange.
CzarChasm:
and the next states: Please note, however, that if the wagering
requirements have not been met and no bonus released to your
account it is not possible to claim part of the bonus in Casino.
CzarChasm:
so which one is it?
CzarChasm:
wouldnt all outstanding bonus balances have unmet wagering
requirements? isnt that the only reason a bonus balance would be outstanding?
MANSION Andy:
The first paragraph refers to bonuses which have been earned by meeting
the wagering requirement... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KSOT at October 23, 2006, 3:44 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
All this effort and absolutely nothing has been accomplished. Here's the ery personal and not at all repetitive reply they finally sent me today.
Hello CzarChasm
Thank you for your email regarding your MANSION account.
We regret that we have currently suspended access to MANSION Sportsbook and Casino for US-based Members for business reasons.
MANSION’s world leading player-to-player Exchange and Poker platforms that allow you to bet against other MANSION Members on Poker and all of your favourite sports and major events remain unaffected by recent events
Should you have an outstanding bonus balance in the Casino this can be exchanged for cash for use in MANSION Poker or the MANSION player-to-player Exchange.
Please note, however, that if the wagering requirements have not been met and no bonus released to your account it is not possible to claim part of the bonus in Casino.
You may, however, continue to play the r... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KSOT at October 20, 2006, 5:42 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Well I don't play much poker, so that's pretty much out of the question.
I hope I understood your post right, meaning I can convert what I've cleared so far to cash and withdraw it. I spoke to live chat just now and linked them to your post. They said they would refer it to their poker department (lord knows why) and get back to me in 24 hours. I will let you all know...
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| Posted by: MANSION Casino at October 20, 2006, 10:45 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
MANSION’s world leading peer-to-peer Sports Exchange and Poker platforms that allow you to bet against other MANSION Members on Poker and all of your favourite sports and major events remain unaffected by recent events.
For business reasons, we regret that we have currently suspended access to MANSION Casino and Sportsbook for US-based Members.
The recent changes will affect US Members who have been playing MANSION Casino Games and working towards their Casino bonus being paid out.
We request that all US players who have a Casino bonus contact Member Services and have their bonus entitlement exchanged into cash to use in MANSION Poker, where they can continue to earn MANSION Club Points, participate in daily qualification tournaments for major televised events, and take advantage of frequent guaranteed and add-on tournaments worth thousands of dollars each week.
Alternatively, our US Members can simply choose to withdraw the cash.
We are committed t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Tagdog at October 20, 2006, 9:41 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by happygobrokey
fwiw, mansion requires 1x rollover once the bonus is earned/credited,
100% match bonus with wager 10x deposit plus bonus, then one time roll over on top means he would need to wager his deposit 21 times to get full bonus and cash out.
So sensibly speaking mansion could divide his wagering by 21 and give him that as a bonus.
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| Posted by: KSOT at October 20, 2006, 6:28 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Luckily for me you're the only one who feels that way so far. CM himself told me he contacted this site's Mansion representative, so we're all just waiting for him to log in and reply now.
For what it's worth, I don't think comparing this bonus to Littlewoods' is totally fair. For starters, you don't see the Littlewoods bonus being earned, it just gets released when you meet the WR without you necessarily having any idea it's coming. The bonus on mansion appears quite isibly both when you deposit and any time you look the active page dedicated to it. While you play you can watch the WR clear dollar by dollar. They make it ery apparent that you're working towards a bonus from the start. Given that fact, I don't see how it's relevant whether they give the money before or after the WR, I'm still working towards the same goal. Aside from that, we're not talking about wagering $500 to get $25 on low HA games like Pontoon or whatever the Cryptos did. We're talking about risking a $1000 deposit to w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: happygobrokey at October 20, 2006, 6:08 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
fwiw, mansion requires 1x rollover once the bonus is earned/credited, so even if they did allow him to get the bonus, he couldn't play it through to convert to cash.
of course it's greasy that he only got part way through the wr and got banned, but i don't feel they're under any obligation in this case. the player knew well what might happen wrt the bill, and ought to have completed the bonus sooner or not attempted it.
i didn't follow closely, but when omni began refusing bonus for US, had anyone done a good portion of the wr on the first of the month, and then been allowed to finish out the wr and receive the bonus after they changed the t&c on the second? if not given up front, the bonus has to be earned, and if it's not earned, they don't have to give it or any part of it to you.
the player feels like this is an mg clearplay where bonus amounts are released into the cash balance in increments as wr is completed, but imo this is not the case with mansion it is mor... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: REOdeathwagon at October 17, 2006, 1:26 pm | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by KSOT
Pardon my ignorance, but who is this "Brian" you speak of?
The one ...The only.... Casinomeister - himself......The webmaster of the forum, you are on.
REOdeathwagon
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| Posted by: noluckever67 at October 17, 2006, 4:31 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
thats absolutely scandalous on there part...but then again ONLINE gaming is totally nothing short of robbery..when will people realise that without any sort of regulation companies will go ahead and do what they want..in your case they prob realise your in the states what can u do??? nowt....i wish to god the uk government would do something similar to the US without going as far just really strong regulations cos online gaming at the moment IMHO is as crooked as an underground casino....i really hope you keep on at them dude and PM brian see if he can do anything...gluck dude.
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| Posted by: KSOT at October 17, 2006, 3:02 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
I know, I was really surprised as well. Here is a transcript of my initial live chat session.
Welcome to Chat.Mansion.Com, MANSION Sarah G will be right with you.MANSION
CzarChasm: Hi, I tried to log into Keno just now and it said I couldn't and had to contact customer support
MANSION Sarah G: Hello, may i have your nickname please
CzarChasm: its CzarChasm
MANSION Sarah G: Ok, one moment please
MANSION Sarah G: We regret that we have currently suspended access to MANSION Sportsbook and Casino for US-based Members for business reasons. Due to the new Us legislation change
CzarChasm: nooooooo, i was hpoing you guys would hold out on that
CzarChasm: weve got a problem though, ive squandered about $300 on your $1000 signup bonus so far
MANSION Sarah G: MANSION continues to closely monitor developments which may affect our services to Members globally. We are committed to minimising the affect of th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: noluckever67 at October 17, 2006, 2:57 am | | Topic: Mansion screwing me over Forum: Casino Meister |
i have to say mansion is a really big company and im really surprised that they came away with that...maybe you have a copy of emails sent back and forth??
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