| Posted by: henryVIII at May 26, 2007, 5:45 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by bizarro15
Not furthering the discussion, I know, but am I the only one who sees the irony in this
No offence taken, but I think it might be just you ... unless you are using the word "irony" in an Alanis Morrissette kind of way ... which, as we all know, isnt irony at all.
Seriously, no idea what you are referring to but do please share your amusement.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at May 25, 2007, 11:08 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by sharpfool
Some of you may have noticed that this weekend Inter has a bonus offer with the following t&c:
"The following games DO NOT count towards the wager requirement:
- All forms of Blackjack (including Super Fun 21)
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What about Pontoon? If you study Inter's list of allowed games you will see that Pontoon is allowed. So when Inter exclude "all forms of Blackjack (including Super Fun 21)" you are allowed to wager at Pontoon.
Many casinoes including wofacai could learn from Inter how to write clear t&c. If Inter want to exclude a game from wagering they make it clear to their costumers. You are not forced to guess.
This is a problem that goes beyond this. While the argument here is that the player should have known that excluding all Blackjack games should be seen as excluding Pontoon, even if not mentioned, this other case shows that in the iew of another casino, the opposite is t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sharpfool at May 25, 2007, 8:33 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Some of you may have noticed that this weekend Inter has a bonus offer with the following t&c:
"The following games DO NOT count towards the wager requirement:
- All forms of Blackjack (including Super Fun 21)
..."
What about Pontoon? If you study Inter's list of allowed games you will see that Pontoon is allowed. So when Inter exclude "all forms of Blackjack (including Super Fun 21)" you are allowed to wager at Pontoon.
Many casinoes including wofacai could learn from Inter how to write clear t&c. If Inter want to exclude a game from wagering they make it clear to their costumers. You are not forced to guess.
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| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 25, 2007, 8:01 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by tristan727
Only even learnt how to play BJ last year, to be precise (ex slot-junkie)- have had a few horrible sessions & still don't trust it....too many dealer 21's to my doubled 20's etc.
Well, the good news is that you can play at a pace that suits you. If you start a bad slide, logout and come back fresh later. There are several sites around (and I'm sure you know of them) that can guide you to a nice conservative game that will help you protect your bankroll from falling off the edge of the Earth. Boredom with the game can certainly cause you to take undue risks with doubling, etc. The game requires patience and self-control, so exercise those two things while grinding out the WR and you should come out with enough bankroll to give pontoon another shot.
Again, best of luck...
- Keith
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| Posted by: tristan727 at May 25, 2007, 7:52 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Gambla
I think it's safe to assume, since you've played 10 years, that you're not gonna lose your ass playing BJ for the WR.
Only even learnt how to play BJ last year, to be precise (ex slot-junkie)- have had a few horrible sessions & still don't trust it....too many dealer 21's to my doubled 20's etc.
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| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 25, 2007, 10:47 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by uungy
Haven't been on the past couple days, but what I see is adding insult to injury, as I My account was closed, and so was someone elses.
They provided Bryan with some false information, and claimed false allegations against players, with absolutely no base to it
I claim (so does another player here) that Pontoon "wasnt in the terms and condition" when I played.
With all this you are still trusting the casino, whom say it was included in the terms!!!!
It clealy ISN'T BJ.
Makes no sense to me, unless you are taking a particular side!
First off, it appears Tristan is satisfied to move on and do his WR properly. He's not happy about it, but it beats losing everything. Point is, don't you think it's time for you to do the same? I think it has been established to everyone's satisfaction that pontoon is not allowed under the bonus offer you and Tristan signed up for, so what is the point o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 25, 2007, 9:58 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by tristan727
There's the thing - I don't actually like BJ - is too boring. Pontoon gives me that extra buzz - like when you split aces, and get Pontoon on one, then a 5 card (doubled) on the other. Suddenly your $10 original stake has turned into $90! Of course, on the flipside - you quite often lose 7,8, or 14 games in a row - that's the ariance for you - and hence why many casino's do treat it differently, as not all casino's ban games purely by the theoretical payout% - is down to risk to player's funds sometimes.
You kinda sorta forgot option A:
Discuss with CS what options you have. Can you play pontoon for WR? No? Ok, can you deposit without applying a bonus? No?
Move on to a different casino.
I think it's safe to assume, since you've played 10 years, that you're not gonna lose your ass playing BJ for the WR. May be boring to you, but once it's done, you are free to play any game they offer, including pontoon. The... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 25, 2007, 9:32 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by uungy
They provided Bryan with some false information, and claimed false allegations against players, with absolutely no base to it...
C'mon. What do you know about what was presented to me? There was nothing false about it - but there were two different interpretations made. I'm not at liberty to go into this further, but anyone with an IQ higher than a chimp would have shut Tristan's account down in a New York minute.
And the only reason that this was reopened was that the casino was willing to relook at what they had.
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| Posted by: uungy at May 25, 2007, 9:26 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by happygobrokey
oh, it SO is. ranks of cards are the same, objective is the same, actions are the same.
someone give a convincing argument with some sort of evidence to claim the games are different. the word used to call a blackjack by is different? so i guess elevators and lifts are not related either. the dealer wins ties? any rules enforced or not don't change the game's nature and its essence. some blackjack games do/don't allow surrender, DAS, payout 6:5 on bj's, play with a hole card, etc. the games are still forms of the game blackjack.
neanderthals were a totally distinct sort of race, and indeed came about before true humans (as pontoon did before traditional bj), yet to all but the nitpickiest circles who would beg to differ on such technicalities, some 95% of people would group neanderthals together with all other hominids as "man" or "forms of man". only minor cosmetic details differentiate humans from neand... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tristan727 at May 25, 2007, 9:13 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
Now go play some Black Jack games
There's the thing - I don't actually like BJ - is too boring. Pontoon gives me that extra buzz - like when you split aces, and get Pontoon on one, then a 5 card (doubled) on the other. Suddenly your $10 original stake has turned into $90! Of course, on the flipside - you quite often lose 7,8, or 14 games in a row - that's the ariance for you - and hence why many casino's do treat it differently, as not all casino's ban games purely by the theoretical payout% - is down to risk to player's funds sometimes.
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at May 25, 2007, 7:11 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by uungy
It clealy ISN'T BJ.
oh, it SO is. ranks of cards are the same, objective is the same, actions are the same.
someone give a convincing argument with some sort of evidence to claim the games are different. the word used to call a blackjack by is different? so i guess elevators and lifts are not related either. the dealer wins ties? any rules enforced or not don't change the game's nature and its essence. some blackjack games do/don't allow surrender, DAS, payout 6:5 on bj's, play with a hole card, etc. the games are still forms of the game blackjack.
neanderthals were a totally distinct sort of race, and indeed came about before true humans (as pontoon did before traditional bj), yet to all but the nitpickiest circles who would beg to differ on such technicalities, some 95% of people would group neanderthals together with all other hominids as "man" or "forms of man". only minor cosmetic details different... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: uungy at May 25, 2007, 2:21 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Haven't been on the past couple days, but what I see is adding insult to injury, as I My account was closed, and so was someone elses.
They provided Bryan with some false information, and claimed false allegations against players, with absolutely no base to it
I claim (so does another player here) that Pontoon "wasnt in the terms and condition" when I played.
With all this you are still trusting the casino, whom say it was included in the terms!!!!
It clealy ISN'T BJ.
Makes no sense to me, unless you are taking a particular side!
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at May 24, 2007, 10:59 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
Sorry for the fraud crap. But if you saw what they showed me, you would have probably done the same thing. I'll just leave it at that.
Now go play some Black Jack games
Well, if what they had was so good, how come the player is now able to play out the balance under the usual terms.
The casino was so certain this was fraud they took ery severe action, they didn't just ask further questions.
Is this yet another casino acting as judge jury and executioner, hanging a player out to dry, and then finding out they got it all wrong.
If what they showed you turned out not to be fraud, they need to clean up their procedures before they call players a fraud.
After all, this ery accusation was levelled at the casino when the thread started, and they didn't like it one bit. Casino operators are professionals in their trade, players are just consumers of the product. It is casino operators who should be exp... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 24, 2007, 10:47 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by tristan727
Somewhere amongst the 20 odd pages of this thread, had thought I made it clear this was no longer an issue - apologies if not.I do have grievances regarding this - but am practical - it's the 'fraud' cr*p I'm still ery much angry bout.
Sorry for the fraud crap. But if you saw what they showed me, you would have probably done the same thing. I'll just leave it at that.
Now go play some Black Jack games
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| Posted by: tristan727 at May 24, 2007, 7:16 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
As for playthrough requirements, games, etc., Tristan - you need to contact their customer support on that.
Somewhere amongst the 20 odd pages of this thread, had thought I made it clear this was no longer an issue - apologies if not.I do have grievances regarding this - but am practical - it's the 'fraud' cr*p I'm still ery much angry bout.
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| Posted by: Vesuvio at May 24, 2007, 12:24 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Gambla
I posted my opinion that he should take further argument and clarification on where his account status lies to CS at this casino. While I know you believe your opinion is the only one allowed in this thread, I hasten to add that it is not. If you wish to have a discussion, then politely explain to me how you intend to do that if you are the only one with an opinion? Do you enjoy talking to yourself?
Just a brief response.
If other people didn't have different opinions there wouldn't be any reason to post. It's not megalomania to think my opinion's right and try to support it - that's what an opinion is: what you believe to be right (unless we're talking about favourite colours or running a debating society here).
I still think it's misguided to make much of any clause saying players musn't embarrass the casino or software company, not least because I can't remember a single case where that's been invoked. If it ever wa... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: henryVIII at May 23, 2007, 11:56 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Gambla
I did not understand that if you quote a term from a casino, that you have to implicitly state whether or not you agree with said term.
Ermmm ... kind of the point of a discussion forum.
Unless you have no opinion of your own of course.
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| Posted by: happygobrokey at May 23, 2007, 11:56 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
someone get the hose!
we're flogging an expired nag here. the player probably won't get paid and the majority imo agrees with this, given what's been presented. with all the info here, it's easy to pick out a few missteps that could have caused this whole fiasco, and once the true issues are rectified it will be resolved. there's no point in trying to prove anything else here i think. the ball is in the casino's court to ultimately give the root of the issue and a recommended course of action will follow. let's wait back to hear from the casino and see what develops. until then, it's all been said. now let's all kiss and make up!
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| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 23, 2007, 11:51 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by henryVIII
Ermmm .... its not that complicated actually.
You saw nothing wrong with the "do not say anything we do not like or we will seize all your money" clause.
Says it all.
God help the player here!!!
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear Henry. Let me try again. Your bullying techniques are a waste of energy. Hopefully third time will be charmed?
I did not understand that if you quote a term from a casino, that you have to implicitly state whether or not you agree with said term. Is that policy on these forums? Really?
So everytime I point out where a term might get a player into trouble, which might harm his complaint case, I must append either "I agree" or "I disagree" with what I'm pointing out? And as well, if I accidentally leave out such appendage, then it defaults to "I agree"..??
You speak of ABSURD! LOL!
If that's your only argumen... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: henryVIII at May 23, 2007, 11:43 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Gambla
To repeat, your bullying technique is wasted energy. I'll not retract what I said, because doing so would be irresponsible. Casinos have these terms and they have been known to use them if necessary, so it is important to let the consumers know (which includes newbies reading this thread, not just for the sake of Tristan).
Let me see if I am gaining the idea behind posting in these forums... less direct personal attacks (I think I have done well in this olley, eh Pina? ), and more reverse psychology or blatant conspiracy theories. Let's try the latter...
You propose that we not point out terms that could get a player's account frozen and/or his funds seized. Therefore, it is quite obvious that you advocate leading a player to no-payland. By intentionally witholding information designed to GET THEM PAID, you are in fact putting their account in jeopardy. By advocating that when they first feel the need to publically announce a ca... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 23, 2007, 11:36 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by henryVIII
Yes i do.
You should say you made a mistake quoting that term because it is most wholly indefensible.
That term is, in effect, irrelevent to the discussion because it is clearly absurd.
To repeat, your bullying technique is wasted energy. I'll not retract what I said, because doing so would be irresponsible. Casinos have these terms and they have been known to use them if necessary, so it is important to let the consumers know (which includes newbies reading this thread, not just for the sake of Tristan).
Let me see if I am gaining the idea behind posting in these forums... less direct personal attacks (I think I have done well in this olley, eh Pina? ), and more reverse psychology or blatant conspiracy theories. Let's try the latter...
You propose that we not point out terms that could get a player's account frozen and/or his funds seized. Therefore, it is quite obvious that you advocate leading ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: henryVIII at May 23, 2007, 11:11 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Gambla
I wonder when you will add something to the discussion other than trying to keep someone defending against your ludicrous conspiracy theorys?
I tell him to quit bitching and begin repairing his account problems directly with the casino with the exact same breath I would advise someone pointing a gun at their foot to take care not to shoot themselves. I really do not see how advising one against doing something foolish means I advocate anything other than their own wellfare...?
What's next, I conspired with Oswald? Don't you have one single thing better to add to this discussion?
You can call me anything you want. I have been doing this a lot of years, my skin is thick enough to take on such infantile accusations and conspiracy thoeries. Just please be advised that your bullying techniques are a waste of energy. I won't ever iew the world as black and white as you do. I am free to think and make my own judg... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 23, 2007, 11:01 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by henryVIII
Sorry, but that is not true. My summary was quite correct.
You quoted the clause and said the player "should stop bitching" because he was in "clear iolation of that clause".
This has no other meaning other than the casino can justify denying winnings because of this clause. You made zero comment as its its obvious and complete absurdity as a clause. That is just bizarre.
It is, in effect, an "endownment" clause ... bestowing on the player that he is "legally" somehow subjected to the whims of the casino.
I repeat, any customer of any business cannot be denied the right to complain publicly about their treatment.
I wonder when you will add something to the discussion other than trying to keep someone defending against your ludicrous conspiracy theorys?
I tell him to quit bitching and begin repairing his account problems directly with the casino wi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: henryVIII at May 23, 2007, 10:49 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Gambla
Your summary is quite erroneous. I do not, nor have ever stated that it is RIGHT for them to ever evoke such clauses, but can you not GRIP reality? The fact is, THEY CAN AND DO SO, regardless of what I or anyone else thinks.
Sorry, but that is not true. My summary was quite correct.
You quoted the clause and said the player "should stop bitching" because he was in "clear iolation of that clause".
This has no other meaning other than the casino can justify denying winnings because of this clause. You made zero comment as its its obvious and complete absurdity as a clause. That is just bizarre.
It is, in effect, an "endownment" clause ... bestowing on the player that he is "legally" somehow subjected to whatever the casino dictates irrespective of merit.
Fraud is thrown at a player for the most minor transgression and, yet, in the likes of English harbour when... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 23, 2007, 10:29 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by henryVIII
De Gambla ... to summarise your iew :
Gamblers at a casino must not complain to a forum if they feel harshly treated otherwise the clause you qoute gives them every right to deny any payment.
The casino will unilaterally decide if it iews any posts to be unfair.
In effect, the player must remain speechless to his own opinions to their treatment by a casino otherwise they may fall foul of the clause you support.
Sorry, but again, you are not making any sense.
Ironically, especially, in a casino complaints section of a forum.
Sorry, just nonsense mate. Such opinions are too frequent on here ... i.e. the player should accept what he is given and always doff his cap to the casino, bryan, whoever and hope he gets a lucky break.
Just rubbish really.
The player is a customer and, while most certainly may not always be right and may often be wrong, he does have every righ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 23, 2007, 10:20 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Vesuvio
Da_Gambla - why don't you respond to arguments instead of always trying to second guess motives. You completely ignored my point. Tristan's entirely within his rights to continue debating this issue here - it doesn't mean he's asking Bryan to do anything more. The forum is a place for discussing things, not a public PM to Bryan.
My post was towards the discussion. You may need to go back a re-read, but Tristan re-opened up the debate by posting "so, what's up?" and then going back on the pontoon s BJ and playthrough issues again. I posted my opinion that he should take further argument and clarification on where his account status lies to CS at this casino. While I know you believe your opinion is the only one allowed in this thread, I hasten to add that it is not. If you wish to have a discussion, then politely explain to me how you intend to do that if you are the only one with an opinion? Do you enjoy talking to yourself?
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| Posted by: henryVIII at May 23, 2007, 10:10 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
De Gambla ... to summarise your iew :
Gamblers at a casino must not complain to a forum if they feel harshly treated otherwise the clause you qoute gives them every right to deny any payment.
The casino will unilaterally decide if it iews any posts to be unfair.
In effect, the player must remain speechless to his own opinions to their treatment by a casino otherwise they may fall foul of the clause you support.
Sorry, but again, you are not making any sense.
Ironically, especially, in a casino complaints section of a forum.
Sorry, just nonsense mate. Such opinions are too frequent on here ... i.e. the player should accept what he is given and always doff his cap to the casino, bryan, whoever and hope he gets a lucky break.
Just rubbish really.
The player is a customer and, while most certainly may not always be right and may often be wrong, he does have every right to express his own personal opinion.
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| Posted by: Vesuvio at May 23, 2007, 10:01 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Gambla
Bryan has addressed his initial PAB several times recently, and yet he still continues to seemingly 'argue' onward... I believe it is alid to simply ASK him what he thinks Bryan can do that he hasn't done so far...?
Vesuvio, camping my thread responses and trying to find anything whatsoever to try and make yourself seem superiorly knowledgeable is wearing thin, don't you think? Instead of picking issue with sidebar crap, why don't you contribute to the discussion at hand?
Da_Gambla - why don't you respond to arguments instead of always trying to second guess motives. You completely ignored my point. Tristan's entirely within his rights to continue debating this issue here - it doesn't mean he's asking Bryan to do anything more. The forum is a place for discussing things, not a public PM to Bryan.
For what it's worth, I keep responding to your posts because you continually post things that make my jaw drop - nothing mor... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 23, 2007, 9:58 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by henryVIII
Sorry but that is pathetic.
You are saying ANY player deserves to lose any winnings because he didnt complain properly??
Casinos must absolutely adore some posters on this forum ... couldnt wish for more sympathetic folk in fact.
Sorry, like an awful lot of posts on this forum, it would clearly fail the "what a reasonable person would think" test fior me.
It would however pass the "what casinos would like people to post" test ery easily.
There is a reason Bryan is QUITE CLEAR how to properly handle an initial complaint. The way it is handled could VERY WELL affect the outcome. If I appear sympathetic to the casino in this thread, it is because I am capable of drawing my own conclusions based on the presented facts.
Bryan says this is a good group. As well, I can find no other bonafide complaints about this group; this is the only one. The facts as they have come forw... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: henryVIII at May 23, 2007, 9:47 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Gambla
The way you handled this in the beginning is a clear iolation of that clause. Again, you have been around here long enough to know how to properly PAB and how to PROPERLY title a post when beginning a complaint thread.
Sorry but that is pathetic.
You are saying ANY player deserves to lose any winnings because he didnt complain properly??
Casinos must absolutely adore some posters on this forum ... couldnt wish for more sympathetic folk in fact.
Sorry, like an awful lot of posts on this forum, it would clearly fail the "what a reasonable person would think" test fior me.
It would however pass the "what casinos would like people to post" test ery easily.
I smell a conflict of interest running around somewhere in this thread, regardless of the merits of tristans case, some of the comments have just been absurd to say the least.
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| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 23, 2007, 9:27 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Vesuvio
You're getting confused with the PAB page. People don't post here to appeal directly to Bryan - this is a forum - people discuss things.
Bryan has addressed his initial PAB several times recently, and yet he still continues to seemingly 'argue' onward... I believe it is alid to simply ASK him what he thinks Bryan can do that he hasn't done so far...?
Vesuvio, camping my thread responses and trying to find anything whatsoever to try and make yourself seem superiorly knowledgeable is wearing thin, don't you think? Instead of picking issue with sidebar crap, why don't you contribute to the discussion at hand?
Quote: Originally Posted by Vesuvio
I can't believe you quote the following:
If ever there was a perfect example of an unacceptable term that's it. I don't know about America, but such terms have zero legal weight in the UK.
Believe it, because I did it.
I never said it carrie... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Vesuvio at May 23, 2007, 9:18 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Gambla
Spell it out for us: what exactly do you want him to do?
You're getting confused with the PAB page. People don't post here to appeal directly to Bryan - this is a forum - people discuss things.
I can't believe you quote the following:
Quote:
6.8 You will not commit any acts or display any conduct that damages our reputation or our software provider or any other related service providers.
If ever there was a perfect example of an unacceptable term that's it. I don't know about America, but such terms have zero legal weight in the UK.
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| Posted by: Da_Gambla at May 23, 2007, 8:27 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by tristan727
Apparently it comes as a shock to people that sometimes casino players play games which have nothing to do whatsoever with some bonus they forced into your account (no choice, unless presumably you contact them to get rid of - which most of us can't be bothered)
Your arguments are so simply nullified, I have no clue why you continue to make them...?
It may come as some shock to YOU that if you "can't be bothered" with contacting CS to have the bonus removed or clarified, and/or clarify what game you intend to use for WR, that you will be stuck with what you have.
Pontoon is not allowed for WR on the Bonus you took, and as HGB has pointed out, the terms for a specific promotion override the general posted T&C's. Your current WR with this casino is currently at 0%, so they have no obligation to allow a withdrawl at this point. As Bryan stated, your issue is not with HIM or the Forum members here. Your acco... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: happygobrokey at May 23, 2007, 7:30 pm | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
post #13
Quote: Originally Posted by tristan727
...
Before & during terms....
This bonus doesn’t apply for any blackjack games.
Any non-risk bet (such as bet same time in banker and players in baccarat, or bet same time in red and black in Roulette etc), will not be counted under wager.
Today's
This bonus doesn't apply for any blackjack games and Pontoon.
Any non-risk bet (such as bet same time in banker and players in baccarat, or bet same time in red and black in Roulette etc), will not be counted under wager.
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yes they changed it to explicitly exclude pontoon, but the argument is that "This bonus doesn’t apply for any blackjack games" means no pontoon anyway. they add the "and Pontoon" for those that either mistakenly don't notice the familiarity with bj or the ones that feel they can twist the terms to their own interpretation and somehow convince themselves that pontoon ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 23, 2007, 11:47 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
You two are missing the main point of Tristan's complaint - read the first post, and read his PAB. It had nothing to do with a bonus. He was banned for being a fraudster. I saw the evidence, and I agreed there was a pretty good indication that fraudulent activty had taken place. I banned the guy, but as you probably know we were still communicating. I took a few things into consideration and lifted the ban.
A high percentage of the complaints I receive deal with fraudulent activity. This saps the time I need to deal with legitimate complaints. I have zero tolerance towards players using this forum (or any forum for that matter) as a blackmail tool, especially when fraud is involved.
As for playthrough requirements, games, etc., Tristan - you need to contact their customer support on that.
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| Posted by: tristan727 at May 23, 2007, 11:32 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by cyprean
I believe it was stated earlier that in the terms it is said that cash balance will be wagered first, and then bonus funds. If you used bonus funds to play Pontoon, then that was not allowed. Hence the player never used bonus funds to play Pontoon, only cash funds, he was not iolating the T&Cs.
Exactly - I don't know why this point keeps being ignored or mis-understood. Apparently it comes as a shock to people that sometimes casino players play games which have nothing to do whatsoever with some bonus they forced into your account (no choice, unless presumably you contact them to get rid of - which most of us can't be bothered) - hence why they had the terms I quoted, to cover such a scenario. I'm really surprised that this is an issue even in debate, to be honest - as the simple fact is that the ast majority of online casinos allow gameplay on (excluded for bonus) games, whilst a bonus is pending...in fact I am struggling to think ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: cyprean at May 23, 2007, 11:00 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by tristan727
This proof Bryan has received & banned me originally, on the basis of - has not been shown or refuted yet. No apologies received anywhere yet. The only improvement to last week's conviction of me being a multiple account fraud - is that my banned status here has been lifted whilst it is being resolved...due to Uungy's fortuitous intervention - without which no doubt I would have been hung out to dry for eternity, since was given absolutely no chance to dis-prove this accusation.
So what's up basically?
I am glad you are back. I always felt that banning a player instantly and giving him no chance to reply was an dictator-like move which fights against the basic integrity of a site.
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
You only played Pontoon - I have no idea why you would put yourself through this.
I believe it was stated earlier that in the terms it is said that cash balance will be... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casinomeister at May 23, 2007, 10:32 am | | Topic: wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game? Forum: Casino Meister |
It's also clear that the bonus terms stated no Pontoon.
From Feb 16th:
The promotion does not apply to Roulette, Baccarat, Craps, SicBo, Blackjack, Video Poker play and Pontoon.
You only played Pontoon - I have no idea why you would put yourself through this. Don't come here ragging on a casino that closed your account due to what they determined was fraudulent activity. I saw what they had and agreed that it was suspicious. This had nothing to do with any bonus play by the way.
As some other players have mentioned, this is a good casino run mainly for Chinese players. No reason to criticize their operation when they are only trying to what they feel is right for everyone involved. And why should they offer you an apology when your first posting was an attempt to damage their business by calling them fraudulent?
But anyway, they've reopened your account and will allow you to meet the wagering requirements. Just don't play Pontoon (or any other forbidden g... | | Read Entire Entry |
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