| Posted by: acepedro45 at September 13, 2007, 3:34 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote:
This e Cogra ruling provides the ideal precedent on which ‘member Casinos’ can rely to confiscate otherwise perfectly legitimate winnings under the discretionary haze of “irregular play”. Don’t bet too small because it reduces the house margin to all but zero which eCogra deems “irregular play“. And don’t bet too big either ‘cos under “irregular play” eCogra got you covered either way. Otherwise feel free to spend the bonus money in any way that takes your fancy (btw have you seen our new Slot Games?).
Superb point. "We've decided to confiscate your winnings because you weren't flat betting, you were gambling your entire stake." Um, isn't that the idea?
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: vinylweatherman at September 11, 2007, 8:38 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
FL could be found guilty of misleading advertising by even allowing the non-slot games to count towards WR. It seems they are misleading players who prefer the tables to deposit, yet seem to have a near infinite number of definitions for "irregular play".
Tis Bollox, in Vegas you see many players drop single bets of $100's, if not several $K on a SINGLE hand of a table game. Many players here post screenshots where they have made huge bets.
When we discuss the games, amd whether they are rigged or not, we are told the PATTERNS we think we see are not real, the results are random, but our brains are programmed to seek patterns in natural events, even when we see cycles where two scatters appear every other spin, and cycles where a pair is absent for well over 100 spins on the same slot.
Surely then, placing 200 bets on French Roulette is no more a "pattern" than an exceptional spell of 200 hands of Blackjack where the dealer continually screws you down every... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: cyprean at September 7, 2007, 12:22 am | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote:
In my iew eCogra are not the solution - they are most definitely the problem. Consider the following precedent delivered by eCogra on complaint from a similarly affected player (as posted recently at WOL).....
Excellent post by pangloss. I think everyone should read it. He really nailed everything about the subject.
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: dancinggoon at September 5, 2007, 12:12 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by pangloss
Apparently (if you believe eCogra) making small bets on WAR will render the game a “close to zero” proposition instead of -EV 2.17% as prescribed by WOO and other mathematical luminaries. Game return amendments are under hurried review at WOO in the light of this particular piece of eCogra erudition.
Of course the term “irregular gaming” is a recent creation that seeks to substitute and escape from the historically discredited ernacular of “bonus abuse”. Irregular Gaming also seeks to escape definition and any sort of prescription other than The Casino reserves the right to decide in it’s sole discretion which activities constitute “irregular play”.
Methinks such singular and unfettered discretion will be exercised and meted out by the size of your cash-out rather than by any sense of what may constitute fair, honest and reasonable commercial practice.
This e Cogra rulin... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: lojo at September 2, 2007, 9:19 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by cyprean
I see your point. In any case we can clearly see that the support staff is pretty clueless. I believe it is a better practice to investigate first and then ban, rather than to ban-on-sight and investigate later IF eCogra intervenes.
But I guess the latter one makes more $$$ to Fortune Lounge.
Yip, because I would bet a majority of players are clueless as to whether there is anything they can do if they feel 'screwed'.
We can only hope that with the bonus situations that major groups and casinos don't go to the 'delay, deny, defend' practice that auto insurance companies have A360 link with link to original story. That would be another form of rogue behavior, IMO, but it seems inevitable in the longrun.
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: cyprean at September 2, 2007, 8:47 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lojo
Of course they changed their terms after that debacle to include the 'hedge betting' or 'even' money etc. But from what we know of this player's plight, they did the right thing in reversing the decision... but he was borderline.
I see your point. In any case we can clearly see that the support staff is pretty clueless. I believe it is a better practice to investigate first and then ban, rather than to ban-on-sight and investigate later IF eCogra intervenes.
But I guess the latter one makes more $$$ to Fortune Lounge.
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: lojo at September 2, 2007, 7:13 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by cyprean
Seems like they are back to their old antics. See the old Vegas Palms threads and Rogue Pit for more info.
Basically if the player played French Roulette and/or Baccarat and won with the bonus money, they had their winnings removed and account locked. Vegas Palms / Fortune Lounge claimed that they abused their bonuses. Players had to go to eCogra to get their monies back.
Not a ery good business practice.
Of course they changed their terms after that debacle to include the 'hedge betting' or 'even' money etc. But from what we know of this player's plight, they did the right thing in reversing the decision... but he was borderline.
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: cyprean at September 2, 2007, 9:48 am | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Seems like they are back to their old antics. See the old Vegas Palms threads and Rogue Pit for more info.
Basically if the player played French Roulette and/or Baccarat and won with the bonus money, they had their winnings removed and account locked. Vegas Palms / Fortune Lounge claimed that they abused their bonuses. Players had to go to eCogra to get their monies back.
Not a ery good business practice.
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: Matekh at August 31, 2007, 10:02 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Finaly some good news!
"Hi Mats
Codie here from the Fortune Lounge.
Mats your matter has been referred to the Head of Operations due to the nature of the query.
He has reviewed the matter and decided to process your full withdrawal amount on both the Capital and Vegas Palms Casinos. He has however agreed that the betting pattern you displayed is not one of a player who has any intention to game with the casino in future as we have seen the same happen with all other players who abused our bonuses.
It is for this reason that your casino accounts will remain locked and that any further accounts registered with the Fortune Lounge will be locked on registration.
Kind Regards
Codie
Floor Manager"
Looks like they are paying up!
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: spearmaster at August 31, 2007, 3:31 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote:
Equal betting is considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes, according to the published T&C's at the time of accepting their bonus offer. The fact that you proceeded to place 2576 individual bets of £2 each on casino war in order to meet the play-through requirements in a manner that reduces the margin of the game close to zero, in our opinion is equal betting. I regret that we support the casino's decision to withhold your winnings and return your deposit to you.
Pardon my ignorance... but how is it possible to place an equal bet on Casino War, since there is only one betting spot?
Low-risk betting, I agree. Equal betting, I do not unless I misunderstood the definition of equal betting. What was done here was flat betting...
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: GrandMaster at August 31, 2007, 1:34 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by pangloss
In my iew eCogra are not the solution - they are most definitely the problem. Consider the following precedent delivered by eCogra on complaint from a similarly affected player (as posted recently at WOL).
I don't have high hopes for a successful outcome either, but filing a complaint does not cost anything, and even if it is unsuccessful, at least it will be recorded in the statistics.
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: Matekh at August 31, 2007, 11:19 am | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Aww there goes €1000 of winnings (or €500 at least, since capital isn't a member).... I thought players hade been able to recover their money trough ecogra, I guess I was wrong.
And fortune lounge isn't rouged, then I of course would never have played there.
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: pangloss at August 31, 2007, 10:11 am | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Matekh
Already done.
I told the fortune lounge floor manager (I was contaced directly by him) that I would go to ecogra.
But they obviously don't care.
In my iew eCogra are not the solution - they are most definitely the problem. Consider the following precedent delivered by eCogra on complaint from a similarly affected player (as posted recently at WOL).
“Dear R,
We have investigated your query with the casino and have made the following findings;
You purchased £60 and redeemed the sign up offer of £90 on the 6th of July 2007.
On the 11th of July you started wagering and placed 3 wagers on the game of Roulette. The 3 bets amounted to £150 (the deposit and bonus combined)
You won £300 on each of your 3 wagers
You then proceeded to play 2576 bets of £2 on the game of Casino War.
You were required to meet the following play through requirement:
£90 bonus *... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Matekh at August 30, 2007, 8:02 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Now they have confiscated all my winnings (over €1000) on both capital casino AND egas palms, despite the fact that I played slots without even having a bonus balance!
On egas palms I didn't play much french roulette to complete the wagering (mostly casino war I think) and they still tell me:
"You met the play through requirement, with close to zero risk of your initial deposit by only playing red on French Roulette."
How can €5 bets on casino war, a high house edge game be "zero risk" ?!
I even played slot machines for christ sake...
These casinos won't let you win...
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: lauriejim at August 30, 2007, 2:57 am | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by dynamitewoman
More than big bet or grinding ..or any deviation of their considered "admin. authorized "form of losing ones money, the thing casinos really HATE,,is PAYING OUT!
I suggest if you continue playing in a casino of this caliber to bring a roll of toilet paper and some chap stick with you, cuz you will be wipin and kissin a lot of butt to get your winnings in your pocket.
you nailed that one right on the head lmao
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: dynamitewoman at August 30, 2007, 12:44 am | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
More than big bet or grinding ..or any deviation of their considered "admin. authorized "form of losing ones money, the thing casinos really HATE,,is PAYING OUT!
I suggest if you continue playing in a casino of this caliber to bring a roll of toilet paper and some chap stick with you, cuz you will be wipin and kissin a lot of butt to get your winnings in your pocket.
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: Matekh at August 29, 2007, 8:46 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Yes of course I doubled up my balance on the first bet, I always do this because otherwise it's impossible to complete wagering with any clearplay bonus. It also makes things so much more interesting since you have twice the roll now and can cause alot more damage to the casino
However I wouldn't call my wagering "grinding" since I played €10 hands on blackjack, €5 spins on red and then switching over to €5 spins on black. If I would have flatbetted €1 on red or black then I could have understood the casinos decision a bit more (however I still belive that a player should be payed if doing that and then locked out).
Anyway, I played some 600 spins on a slot with a low sized jackpot and then som more baccarat. I hope that they will aprove my withdrawal now!
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: happygobrokey at August 29, 2007, 2:35 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
you definitely did the "big bets then grind" strategy. casinos hate this, but given the gigantic wagering when one plays lower-edge games, how can you be in the wrong? you managed to make wagering, the money should be yours. patterns of play happen all the time. are all flatbettors in roulette and bj abusing the game? course not. they might also be taking offence because you used "autoplay" to grind out a bonus at low-ish bets, but again, the risky big bets off the start, and the exhaustive amounts of wagering make it difficult enough to win without arbitrarily oiding play based on a standard pattern of play that non-bonus players can and do also use. but if they're a rogue or quasi-rogue, you're beat. good luck anyway.
matekh, what are you, a klingon?
| | Static Link |
| Posted by: Matekh at August 28, 2007, 11:30 pm | | Topic: Another capital casino thread (this is hilarious) Forum: Casino Meister |
Hello
I really wish I would have read the threads about capital casino before signing up there and claiming a bonus... This is by far the worst I have witnessed in the casino business.
To make a long story short, I signed up, deposited, and claimed their 200% welcome bonus. I then began to play some games. I played Baccarat, Blackjack, French roulette and Casino war.
Before I knew it the wagering had been met and the entire balance was cashable (I only played with €5 bets and more so it went really quickly).
I then cashed out the entire balance (€450). The cashout however was returned to my account within 2 days or so. I then of course contacted the live chat.
Here are their answers:
"Cyril : Mats I have reviewed your account and can see taht you have not as yet met the required wagering requirements in order to cash out on the bonus credited"
Of course I had, I had no bonus balance!
"Cyril : There are... | | Read Entire Entry |
|