| Posted by: Pokeraddict at February 22, 2006, 7:17 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | To my knowledge, no individual has ever been charged with internet gambling as a crime
There was one , a huge sports gambling winner was charged and plead guilty. It was illegal in his state (ND I think) so he paid the fine and moved to KY. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Rhino at February 21, 2006, 11:14 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | jtfowl0 wrote: Additionally, how long will it take for our government to realize that legislating morality is generally a bad idea?
Depends. How fast can we gas the Protestants?
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| Posted by: jtfowl0 at February 21, 2006, 10:48 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | No need to worry. This bill won't go anywhere, just like Goodlatte's previous attempts to do the same thing in the last 3 Congresses didn't go anywhere. At least if it does pass, it will be drastically different--there are just too many special interest groups that oppose this legislation for it to work, Abramoff or no Abramoff. Interestingly, Congressmen from states with legalized gambling have lined up in support of the bill the last couple times--because it protects the quasi-monopoly that their casinos enjoy.
Congressional hearings over the bill in the 106th Congress revealed that law enforcement (FBI, etc.) deemed the bill unenforceable. How is this one any different? Goodlatte just wants to posture...he's up for re-election this year and needs something to distract his voters from the fact that he's been one of the House's biggest supporters of both Bush and the War in Iraq.
Additionally, how long will it take for our government to realize that legislating morality is genera... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: GamblinFool at February 21, 2006, 1:24 am | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | It's not illegal to gamble online, it's illegal for them to accept you as patrons. That's why the transactions were void. This, as noted, would make it illegal for you to place the bets.
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| Posted by: Jay at February 19, 2006, 5:11 am | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | sleeper wrote: Sorry but I don't get it - internet gambling has already been confirmed as illegal by many US courts - it's what caused the (enitire?) US credit card industry to start mandatory purchase type flagging and no gambling transactions. People were getting away with chargebacks because the courts agreed the transactions were illegal and the cards couldnt force the users to pay.
Yes, THIS is why the credit card companies blocked it. Not because it's illegal, but because they were paying the bills as a result. To my knowledge, no individual has ever been charged with internet gambling as a crime, let alone indicted or convicted. RUNNING an internet gambling site in the US is definitely illegal, but using one is much fuzzier. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Dead_Baby_Jesus at February 18, 2006, 10:39 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | Jay wrote: sjguppy wrote: My guess is that this is an attempt to get the online gaming industry to open their books to the IRS. If the industry is at 12 billion a year and growing that adds up to a lot of tax money.
They should legalize it and regulate it. Then you'd have companies operating out of the US and paying US taxes on it. Right now, there are lots of US players, but the govt doesn't see any of the revenue.
(and like most things, note that if you lose money, the govt would get taxes on the company's profit, and if you win money, they tax you.. either way, taxes).
Yeah this is the real reasoning behind it... A select few will tout the Christian values/morality thing just like they do on every other topic when it's convenient to get a large blind percentage of the population to follow them...
But in reality, they are always a smoke screen and PR rally to pass laws and get more money for the system that fosters them. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crovax4444 at February 18, 2006, 10:16 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | danyulc wrote: I really hope your right pulper, you might be. One thing you can do to hide your IP adress is to pay and use a proxy server. Then your coming from an anonymous adress that can't be traced.
I didn't even read the whole thing, but this is all I needed to know...
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| Posted by: sleeper at February 18, 2006, 7:22 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | Sorry but I don't get it - internet gambling has already been confirmed as illegal by many US courts - it's what caused the (enitire?) US credit card industry to start mandatory purchase type flagging and no gambling transactions. People were getting away with chargebacks because the courts agreed the transactions were illegal and the cards couldnt force the users to pay. Same deal with big name owners in the overseas gambling world - cant come on to US soil due to bench warrants - so it's not just financial grey areas, the feds are sure they can put people on trial.
So what does this do exactly, make it more illegal? Seems odd. Article was short on details but mentioning checks, wires, etc makes it sound like they are trying to put the responsibility on US based financial companies to stop the transfers before they start. Couldn't end up working very well, at most you'd just need more generic clearing houses/e-wallets - as neteller is pretty much gambling only, but there are plenty of those ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: depokerstar at February 18, 2006, 5:34 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | xedubx wrote: pulper_80 wrote: LOL, there is absolutely no way this will be passed. Rest easy.
Agreed. There's too much money and influence from the gambling interests.
With that said, Vancouver, BC is only 2 1/2 hours from where I live anyway, just in case.
Abramoff is the wildcard in all of this, IMO. The GOP wants to distance themselves from him and what he was connected with. Depends on who he tries to drag down ith him.
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| Posted by: danyulc at February 18, 2006, 5:08 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | | I really hope your right pulper, you might be. One thing you can do to hide your IP adress is to pay and use a proxy server. Then your coming from an anonymous adress that can't be traced. The problem with that is, you still have to use your personal information on the poker sites and such. Although like they say, the internet gaming industry is a 12 Billion dollar a year industry. They should be able to come up with some money to prevent this bill from being passed. Big government is all about money, and it shouldn't be too hard with 12 billion a year to buy off enough votes to keep this bill from being passed. Its pretty pathetic that I might not be able to continue working as a poker player, because some religious fuck doesn't think its OK for me to support myself through a game of skill. Seriously, if this passes it will really suck ass. Even if all us professionals fine a way around it, what will the games be like with nary a fish in the water? Not fun! I think if anything passes, it might be a law aga... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: xedubx at February 18, 2006, 4:59 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | pulper_80 wrote: LOL, there is absolutely no way this will be passed. Rest easy.
Agreed. There's too much money and influence from the gambling interests.
With that said, Vancouver, BC is only 2 1/2 hours from where I live anyway, just in case.
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| Posted by: Jay at February 18, 2006, 8:46 am | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | EZ wrote: i'm trying to figure out the options we have as well. if the sites won't except credti cards, neteller ect. from americans we are screwed.
i could see there becoming an offshore neteller. but would the sites allow deposits knowing your home address is still in US. not to mention we would be playing illegal.
the poker revolution could be coming to an abrupt end.
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| Posted by: EZ at February 18, 2006, 1:56 am | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | i'm trying to figure out the options we have as well. if the sites won't except credti cards, neteller ect. from americans we are screwed.
i could see there becoming an offshore neteller. but would the sites allow deposits knowing your home address is still in US. not to mention we would be playing illegal.
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| Posted by: frozone at February 17, 2006, 9:54 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | Seeing as how this country is run by aging, technologically backwards, Christians hell-bent on saving our souls.. it's pretty clear that this bill is going to pass.
I'm a professional, and I pay all my taxes on gambling and bonuses. Right now, I had interpreted that the only thing illegal would organized gambling with mob or laundering ties... and the average joe playing for fun should have nothing to fear. I guess this changes if this passes.. so, what are our options if we wish to continue playing? Move?
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| Posted by: Jay at February 17, 2006, 8:54 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | sjguppy wrote: My guess is that this is an attempt to get the online gaming industry to open their books to the IRS. If the industry is at 12 billion a year and growing that adds up to a lot of tax money.
They should legalize it and regulate it. Then you'd have companies operating out of the US and paying US taxes on it. Right now, there are lots of US players, but the govt doesn't see any of the revenue.
(and like most things, note that if you lose money, the govt would get taxes on the company's profit, and if you win money, they tax you.. either way, taxes). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DrStrange at February 17, 2006, 7:32 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | I doubt this bill is aimed at eliminating tax avoidance by poker players. There are few winners in on-line poker and even fewer who make big bucks. Unreported poker income is not a significant loss to the income tax system.
This bill and ones like it are a serious threat to our hobby. On-line poker and casinos are a threat to the domestic gaming industry and the state-run lotery games. Additionally, there are religious fanatics who belive that God needs them to help stamp out the sin of gambling. All of these people are going to be noisy. It is important to let your senators and representative know how you feel. (Now it would be far more helpful to pay your representative's costs for a 'fact finding' trip to the Carabean or Las Vegas but few of us have that kind of money - renting a congressman for even one vote isn't cheap.)
If you think you are anonymous and safe playing on-line poker, you are wrong. It is possible to identify your IP addess, track the IP back to your ISP, and ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: largeeyes at February 17, 2006, 6:53 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | sjguppy wrote: My guess is that this is an attempt to get the online gaming industry to open their books to the IRS. If the industry is at 12 billion a year and growing that adds up to a lot of tax money.
As a practical matter how would they be able to stop the gambling. Is there a physical way to stop players from getting to the sites. Since the sites are not in the USA how would any of this effect them.
It makes it illegal to PLACE the bet.
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| Posted by: sjguppy at February 17, 2006, 4:37 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | My guess is that this is an attempt to get the online gaming industry to open their books to the IRS. If the industry is at 12 billion a year and growing that adds up to a lot of tax money.
As a practical matter how would they be able to stop the gambling. Is there a physical way to stop players from getting to the sites. Since the sites are not in the USA how would any of this effect them. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: wyldchyld at February 17, 2006, 3:04 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | Sadly, 2 Congressen from Virginia combined to introduce this shit in the House. Bob Goodlatte, a longtime Republican and chairman of the House Agriculture Committee, and Rick Boucher a longtime Deomcrat (big on tech issues).
I'm sad to say I voted for Goodlatte, but then again no one ran against him. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: PollyAmory at February 17, 2006, 2:40 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | Yeah -- good timing for this "We're not in Abramoff's pocket!" posturing.
Liberal I might be, but I still wish Democrats would stay the fuck away from telling me what to do with my money. I don't need you to protect me from myself.
Republicans too.
-- Polly
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| Posted by: Gonzo787 at February 17, 2006, 1:31 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | This topic was moved from the Poker bonus forum. I can't think of a more appropriate place for this topic, and I think this is information all of us need to know.
BTW, here is an article on the news: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=internetNews&storyID=2006-02-16T222222Z_01_N143952_RTRUKOC_0_US-GAMBLING-CONGRESS.xml&archived=False | | Static Link |
| Posted by: londonenns at February 17, 2006, 1:16 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | timdog wrote: When internet poker is banned in the US. Us remaining filthy limey whores should be offered much better bonuses from the sites that dont go bust due to the demise of american fishies and the pursuing sharks and whores.
What will you professional whores do for a living? Do you think the bill will get passed?
dude... sorry but you need 200 posts, to post in this forum!!..
sorry, come back you have enough...
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| Posted by: timdog at February 17, 2006, 1:02 pm | | Topic: Internet Gambling Prohibition Act re-introduced Forum: Bonus Whores | When internet poker is banned in the US. Us remaining filthy limey whores should be offered much better bonuses from the sites that dont go bust due to the demise of american fishies and the pursuing sharks and whores.
What will you professional whores do for a living? Do you think the bill will get passed? | | Static Link |
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